Child of 2 lesbians speaks...

[woolfe9999]

Example being raised in California, the gay right groups were trying to force schools to teach "being gay" to kindergarten and first graders.. Look, these kids can barely recognize sex differences, why on earth would you want to teach kids of this age about being gay? Why do you think there is a backlash?

I'm calling shens on the allegation that gay groups in California are pushing to teach kindergartners to "be gay." Please back up your assertion.

 

[JSt0rm]

I'm calling shens on the allegation that gay groups in California are pushing to teach kindergartners to "be gay." Please back up your assertion.

His assertion is that without his moral convictions he too would be holding the balls while stroking the shaft.

I hate to break it to you guys. No amount of teaching in kindergarten would make me gay.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

Example being raised in California, the gay right groups were trying to force schools to teach "being gay" to kindergarten and first graders..

At what age were you taught "being straight" in school?

 

[JSt0rm]

At what age were you taught "being straight" in school?

He was probably taught to be straight at church and now hates himself for even having "feelings" He probably thinks everyone else has these feelings too and hates "gay" people for not being "strong"

Sad really.

 

[ShawnD1]

Yeah over at my community college the gay kids are probably our most hateful, closed minded group of students. I try to tell myself they've been treated like shit their whole lives and have a right to be angry. Then I remember they're just children and their "whole lives" dont amount to much. If they go mouthing off to the wrong person in the real world they will likely get beat up or killed.

They generally have a good reason to be angry. When everybody hates them, they resort to an Us vs Them mentality. Same thing happens with racism. Someone I know grew up as a white minority in a community with a mostly native indian population. As the result of constantly being picked on by indians, this person is no longer fond of indians. Us vs Them.

At what age were you taught "being straight" in school?

Examples and stories always revolve around man and woman relationships, so it's assumed that anything deviating from that is weird. At the same time, it would also be really weird if they used gay couples in stories because it draws attention to the fact that the characters are gay. If someone wrote a book like Lord of the Flies with a bit of a gay tone, every book report would focus on the gay thing and completely forget the point of the story.

 

[Darwin333]

As a Christian, I used to object to homosexuality, mainly due to the old testament.

But 2 things have pointed me in a different direction:

Jesus said to love one another. He did not say love everyone except for gays.

I do not object to gays because of their lifestyle, I object to gays adopting children when the decided to travel down a path that they "knew" would not allow them to have a relationship which would produce children.

If you know driving the wrong way on a highway will cause a wreck, do not expect people to move out of your way. Being in a gay relationship is like going the wrong way. Most people know if they want to reproduce they have to pick someone of the opposite sex to travel through life with. Gays travel in the opposite direction as everyone else who has a natural man:woman relationship.

There is a difference in choosing to be in a relationship that will not produce a child, and having a physical illness or condition that prevents the man:woman from having a child.

I think it was in 2009 or 2010 there was a TV show about a cruise ship for gay couples. The whole purpose of the cruise ship was for gay couple of meet someone of the opposite sex to have sex with and to get pregnant. I have no issues with that, at all.

But you would rather see children go unadopted than to be adopted by gay couples?

 

[Darwin333]

Example being raised in California, the gay right groups were trying to force schools to teach "being gay" to kindergarten and first graders.. Look, these kids can barely recognize sex differences, why on earth would you want to teach kids of this age about being gay? Why do you think there is a backlash?

Psst, "the gay" isn't contagious. If your kid turns out to be gay it wasn't because of what he was taught or that he caught it from another gay person.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

Example being raised in California, the gay right groups were trying to force schools to teach "being gay" to kindergarten and first graders.. Look, these kids can barely recognize sex differences, why on earth would you want to teach kids of this age about being gay? Why do you think there is a backlash?

I doubt that schools are teaching "being gay" as though it were simply something that kids could learn. What I imagine they were teaching is that "being gay is OK," which is a lesson that you really shouldn't object to. Children should be exposed to the idea that a family doesn't have to consist of one father and one mother to be a real family.

A brief story. I am the son of lesbian mothers, so I'd say I have a pretty good handle on what it means to grow up in a "non-standard" family. When I was in grade school, one of the more popular activities in the after-school program was a game called "Smear the Queer." It's just a basic tag game, and pretty damn good fun at that... but it was a bit awkward coming from a gay household and playing a game with a clearly homophobic name. I tried talking to the other kids and telling them that saying queer was insulting my family, but they didn't pay any mind (much like the lady who ran the program); that changed in a hurry when one of my mothers overheard the children talking about it in the hall and spent the next five minutes lecturing everyone (including the woman in charge) about why it was unacceptable to say such things. That was even more embarrassing then talking to the kids myself, and all it accomplished was us not being allowed to play a fun game because it happened to have a stupid name.

That whole mess could have been avoided if we had been learning from the beginning that you will encounter people who come from different backgrounds than you. There was a bit of that going on already, sure (we had a few exchange students from places like Liberia and Eritrea, so we were exposed to different cultures). But it was the 1980s and discussing homosexuality with elementary school kids was still seen as taboo (even though "Smear the Queer" was acceptable). If it falls solely on parents, or worse, their peers, to educate grade school kids about these things, they aren't going to learn it. And I don't care how uncomfortable homosexuality makes you, it is not fair to let the children of gays and lesbians be mocked and outcast because you don't want to have that discussion with your kids. Schools should be a place where everyone feels welcome, and you won't achieve that by attempting to sweep diversity under the rug and pretend it doesn't exist.

 

[ShawnD1]

Psst, "the gay" isn't contagious. If your kid turns out to be gay it wasn't because of what he was taught or that he caught it from another gay person.

Yeah but if he's taught that it's ok then he might embrace who he is. That's bad. He should repress those feelings and have a sham marriage like the rest of us.

game called "Smear the Queer."

Kids games have weird names. When I was a kid we had a slightly modified version of Tag that we called ******. The guy who is "it" is the ******.
This was acceptable because there are basically 0 black people around here.



They don't need to teach that being gay is good or bad, but that it exists. Getting rid of stereotypes would be a good start. Show kids that a "man's man" can be gay and a "girly girl" can be gay. Not all gay men look like Trident and not all lesbians look like Rosie O'Donnell.

 

[jstern01]

Not all gay men look like Trident and not all lesbians look like Rosie O'Donnell.

Darn Close thought .... j/k'ng

 

[drebo]

Call it a Civil Union and be done with it. Hell, call any civil marriage a Civil Union and be done with it. Marriage is an old religious custom. Let it remain as such. Turn civil marriages into civil unions, and let any two consenting adults enter in to one.

Who the fuck cares if a gay couple wants to raise a child? There are millions of unfit parents whose children would be far better off with different parents, even if those parents happen to be gay.

 

[Texashiker]

But you would rather see children go unadopted than to be adopted by gay couples?

No, that is not what I am saying.

A lot of it might depends on how many children need a home.

Children should first go to couples who can not have a child due to a illness or condition. These are couples who can not have children due to conditions outside their control.

After that, then the children should go to couples who by their own choices can either not have, or unwilling to have children.

The key phases there are "out of their control" and "unwilling". I see no difference in a man:wife unit that chooses not to have natural children, and gay couples. Both sets have made a choice not to have children the natural way.

 

[drebo]

No, that is not what I am saying.

A lot of it might depends on how many children need a home.

Children should first go to couples who can not have a child due to a illness or condition. These are couples who can not have children due to conditions outside their control.

After that, then the children should go to couples who by their own choices can either not have, or unwilling to have children.

The key phases there are "out of their control" and "unwilling". I see no difference in a man:wife unit that chooses not to have natural children, and gay couples. Both sets have made a choice not to have children the natural way.

Children should go to the family that can provide for them the best. Race, nationality, gender, religion (to some extent), and sexual preference should have nothing to do with.

 

[thraashman]

Psst, "the gay" isn't contagious. If your kid turns out to be gay it wasn't because of what he was taught or that he caught it from another gay person.

If I ever have kids I'm gonna make sure he spends time around the children of gay parents so that he can be exposed to the gay while he's young. That way he won't have to worry about getting the gay when he's older because he'll have already had the exposure and his body will now know how to fight it off.

 

[Texashiker]

and sexual preference should have nothing to do with.

They didn't choose to be gay.

They don't choose to be gay.

That is like saying someone who stands in the middle of the road has the right to complain when they get run over.

Gay or not, the person made a decision to live a lifestyle that would not allow them to have children produced from that lifestyle. Out of their own decision, they should not be put in an equal consideration as people who have a illness or condition that does not allow them to have children.

To say that gays have as much right as someone that has an illness or a condition (to adopt children), is to say that being gay is an illness.

Leading a gay lifestyle, is like leading an unproductive life (is in having children), and then expecting the same rights as everyone else. Sexual preference aside, those people made a decision to live a certain lifestyle.

And personally, I believe being gay is a choice.

 

[JSt0rm]

That is like saying someone who stands in the middle of the road has the right to complain when they get run over.

Gay or not, the person made a decision to live a lifestyle that would not allow them to have children produced from that lifestyle. Out of their own decision, they should not be put in an equal consideration as people who have a illness or condition that does not allow them to have children.

To say that gays have as much right as someone that has an illness or a condition (to adopt children), is to say that being gay is an illness.

Leading a gay lifestyle, is like leading an unproductive life (is in having children), and then expecting the same rights as everyone else. Sexual preference aside, those people made a decision to live a certain lifestyle.

And personally, I believe being gay is a choice.

Oh jeez

 

[Ichigo]

That is like saying someone who stands in the middle of the road has the right to complain when they get run over.

Gay or not, the person made a decision to live a lifestyle that would not allow them to have children produced from that lifestyle. Out of their own decision, they should not be put in an equal consideration as people who have a illness or condition that does not allow them to have children.

To say that gays have as much right as someone that has an illness or a condition (to adopt children), is to say that being gay is an illness.

Leading a gay lifestyle, is like leading an unproductive life (is in having children), and then expecting the same rights as everyone else. Sexual preference aside, those people made a decision to live a certain lifestyle.

And personally, I believe being gay is a choice.

I hate liberal freaks like you who think the government should get to decide everything.

 

[drebo]

That is like saying someone who stands in the middle of the road has the right to complain when they get run over.

Gay or not, the person made a decision to live a lifestyle that would not allow them to have children produced from that lifestyle. Out of their own decision, they should not be put in an equal consideration as people who have a illness or condition that does not allow them to have children.

To say that gays have as much right as someone that has an illness or a condition (to adopt children), is to say that being gay is an illness.

Leading a gay lifestyle, is like leading an unproductive life (is in having children), and then expecting the same rights as everyone else. Sexual preference aside, those people made a decision to live a certain lifestyle.

And personally, I believe being gay is a choice.

So fucking what? Who cares if being gay is a choice, and who cares if they choose a lifestyle that doesn't allow them to have children?

If there's a multiple-six-figure-income family headed by two gay men, why should that place them lower than a low-five-figure-income family headed by a man and a woman? That makes no sense.

Which family is more likely to be able to care for a child?

Your homophobia has no place in determining the best place for a child to be brought up. None at all.

Sure, there are private adoption agencies, and they can make whatever rules they want. But public adoption agencies should look at one thing and one thing only: how well a child will prosper in a home. That has nothing to do with parents being gay or straight or white or black or orange or from Mars. Obviously, putting a Jewish baby in an Islamic home is pretty silly, but for the most part, creed shouldn't have anything to do with it either.

Why are you so afraid of gays? Hell, most gay people are more ethical and morally sound than most straight people.

 

[MotF Bane]

And personally, I believe being gay is a choice.

There is nothing to believe, there is the simple fact that you are incorrect. What is a choice here is what you have chosen; you have chosen to a bigoted piece of shit. :thumbsdown:

 

[JSt0rm]

There is nothing to believe, there is the simple fact that you are incorrect. What is a choice here is what you have chosen; you have chosen to a bigoted piece of shit. :thumbsdown:

I firmly believe anyone who thinks its a choice is in fact a homosexual who cant come to grips with it. I know this because no amount of choice making on my part will make me want to sleep with a guy and for someone to actually believe that they MUST have those feelings.

 

[Doppel]

pretty good speech. 100 years from now, the children of our children's children will read in their history book and will wonder how people back then had the nerve to vote for something as ugly as this. Just like why we cannot understand how slavery was acceptable, women could not vote, WW2 internment camp, etc.

Well although laws against gays are not helpful they also affect WAY fvcking less people than any of the things you mentioned. A tiny minority of people are gay and cannot do things like marry. That's the bulk of their systematic loss of abilities (legal) right now. They aren't being told to call someone massa or starve to death in a concentration camp or make up 51% of the population denied the ability to choose their government. The gay movement is quite vocal, but also a tiny minority.

I often wonder why heterosexuals can at times become so impassioned about gay rights and I believe for many it's because they are trying to act in a way they wish somebody had acted for more important events in the past, like slavery or holocaust or women's rights, but those fights are already done.

 

[Texashiker]

you have chosen to a bigoted piece of shit. :thumbsdown:

You sir are the bigot.

Even though I disagree with your position, I respect your opinion.

 

[FalseChristian]

All wicked people including Lesbians and Gay men will be destroyed during the Great Day of Jehovah`s Anger if they don`t stop having sex with each other. The same goes for straight people who have sex outside of marriage.

 

[MotF Bane]

You sir are the bigot.

Even though I disagree with your position, I respect your opinion.

And how, pray tell, am I a bigot here? I have no problems with homosexuality, it is you who refuses to accept that it is not a choice. But, if you believe it is a choice, try this question.

Explain to me why someone would choose homosexuality? Why choose an orientation that, for many years, kept you out of the military? Why choose an orientation that prevents you from adopting children through religious organizations? Why choose an orientation that gets you scorned and ridiculed by friends and family? ("Have you tried... not being gay?") Why choose an orientation that may get you harassed, assaulted, beaten, and even murdered? Why choose an orientation that greatly decreases your chances of passing along your bloodline? Why choose an orientation that will prevent you from having a legally acknowledged relationship with your partner? Well, why?

 

[MotF Bane]

All wicked people including Lesbians and Gay men will be destroyed during the Great Day of Jehovah`s Anger if they don`t stop having sex with each other. The same goes for straight people who have sex outside of marriage.

Lulz.

Well, since I'm not worried about a fictional day every occurring, I'll keep right on doing what I want to do.