Chicago's police union president says officers who kneel with Black Lives Matter protesters could be kicked out of the organization

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HomerJS

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All unions are too powerful and need to be removed. Start with police unions, move on to all public employee unions and finish with teachers unions. Why think small?
Just a note the greatest expansion of the middle class occurred during the time unions were at their strongest.

That being said police having unions aren't necessarily bad but some of them need to be ripped out by their root and new collective bargaining agreements structured.

I also note your fake concern since you against people peacefully protesting by taking a knee.
 
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Just a note the greatest expansion of the middle class occurred during the time unions were at their strongest.

That being said police having unions aren't necessarily bad but some of them need to be ripped out by their root and new collective bargaining agreements structured.

I also note your fake concern since you against people peacefully protesting by taking a knee.
Who's knee? Are "protesters" stealing knees now? torching knees? breaking and entering knees? or just looting knees?
 
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You do realize that the teachers and other government workers are forced to submit by their local, state, and federal legislators who legislate the horrible conditions to begin with right? RIGHT??
Sure, give me a few recent......recent...... examples of local, state and federal legislators requiring "horrible conditions" for government workers. I'll wait.
 
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Did you fall asleep or forget this thread is about officers taking a knee
It's the unions that are having problems with police officers taking a knee. I'm just pointing out how awful public employee unions are and how they should be banned.
 

WelshBloke

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It's the unions that are having problems with police officers taking a knee. I'm just pointing out how awful public employee unions are and how they should be banned.
Heh. Good luck with that.
This isn't going to happen because you want it or don't. Its going to happen because the behaviour of the police unions is so egregious that its become untenable. That's why the police unions will be reformed. It isn't because of an issue with unions per se.
 

JEDIYoda

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"this really isn't about Unions, it is about the Police unions......"


:oops: ummmm, ok.
Dude, this really is not about all unions! This is about Police Unions which are rotten to the core!
I am sorry that you are trying to make this about all unions!
When as a policeman you know that in your unions eyes you can do no harm that is absurd!
Police Unions are a whole different animal!!
 

DaaQ

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Sure, give me a few recent......recent...... examples of local, state and federal legislators requiring "horrible conditions" for government workers. I'll wait.
Try the Post Office for starters, legislating that they finance pensions 75 years in advance, before a future employees even become employees.

It is a tactic used to to attempt to break Unions and or privatize organizations, create hostile environments, all so that those legislating these actions can profiteer off of their privatization efforts, with the companies they own/hold stakes in whatever can swoop in and take over.
I know you've heard of the whole Post Office is going bankrupt ect ect from your echo chambers, but they just cannot figure out how to get that ONE example that was written into the constitution off the paper it was written on.

Here I'll add number two, Sheriff from Arizona, the tough guy hard on convicts, you know the TENT CITY guy, sorry at a loss of how to spell his name and don't care to google it because, fuck him.
 
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Dude, this really is not about all unions! This is about Police Unions which are rotten to the core!
I am sorry that you are trying to make this about all unions!
When as a policeman you know that in your unions eyes you can do no harm that is absurd!
Police Unions are a whole different animal!!
All unions are rotten to the core. The same can be said for them all. They protect members no matter how heinous the crimes they commit, whether they're police, fire, teachers or any govt. worker. It's what unions do. Stop pretending that one is worse than the others.
 
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Try the Post Office for starters, legislating that they finance pensions 75 years in advance, before a future employees even become employees.

It is a tactic used to to attempt to break Unions and or privatize organizations, create hostile environments, all so that those legislating these actions can profiteer off of their privatization efforts, with the companies they own/hold stakes in whatever can swoop in and take over.
I know you've heard of the whole Post Office is going bankrupt ect ect from your echo chambers, but they just cannot figure out how to get that ONE example that was written into the constitution off the paper it was written on.

Here I'll add number two, Sheriff from Arizona, the tough guy hard on convicts, you know the TENT CITY guy, sorry at a loss of how to spell his name and don't care to google it because, fuck him.
Sorry, 2 fails. Try again
 

JEDIYoda

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All unions are rotten to the core. The same can be said for them all. They protect members no matter how heinous the crimes they commit, whether they're police, fire, teachers or any govt. worker. It's what unions do. Stop pretending that one is worse than the others.
\no you just don`t get it!
Does teachers Union pay for lawyers to defend a teacher who kills a student! -- No!!
Does the Gardeners Union pay for lawyers to defend and Florist who kills somebody picking roses? No!
Does the Nurses Union pay for a lawyer to defend a nurse who kills a patient? No!
 

Maxima1

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\no you just don`t get it!
Does teachers Union pay for lawyers to defend a teacher who kills a student! -- No!!
Does the Gardeners Union pay for lawyers to defend and Florist who kills somebody picking roses? No!
Does the Nurses Union pay for a lawyer to defend a nurse who kills a patient? No!

A lot of people are suddenly stunned to find out that cops are taking a large portion of the city budgets. The same is true of educators and support staff. Who do you think the Democrats make pay for it? The little guy in the private sector. And the students and adults out of a job are likely to get screwed again with education just like in 2008. It's likely they'll cut classes prolonging graduation and hiking tuition instead of reducing compensation of the staff or replacing some campus classes with low-cost online classes to seat more students per instructor. Shee-it, they've already told students no partial refunds for the impromptu online experience.
 

cytg111

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Why act like a bloomin idiot??
You know well that Police Unions, not all unions have morphed into something more than what Unions were first intended! Police Union need to be abolished or they need to have their powers scaled back!
It is obvious that the only union you care about is the Soviet Union....
You can only loose your mind once and tajs was lost a long time ago
 

JEDIYoda

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It's the unions that are having problems with police officers taking a knee. I'm just pointing out how awful public employee unions are and how they should be banned.
actually you are being goofy......trying to equate Police Unions with other unions.....
 

JEDIYoda

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A lot of people are suddenly stunned to find out that cops are taking a large portion of the city budgets. The same is true of educators and support staff. Who do you think the Democrats make pay for it? The little guy in the private sector. And the students and adults out of a job are likely to get screwed again with education just like in 2008. It's likely they'll cut classes prolonging graduation and hiking tuition instead of reducing compensation of the staff or replacing some campus classes with low-cost online classes to seat more students per instructor. Shee-it, they've already told students no partial refunds for the impromptu online experience.
Until you made this political you were doing good! This NOT political! People like you are blabbering idiots!
 

Meghan54

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A lot of people are suddenly stunned to find out that cops are taking a large portion of the city budgets. The same is true of educators and support staff. Who do you think the Democrats make pay for it? The little guy in the private sector. And the students and adults out of a job are likely to get screwed again with education just like in 2008. It's likely they'll cut classes prolonging graduation and hiking tuition instead of reducing compensation of the staff or replacing some campus classes with low-cost online classes to seat more students per instructor. Shee-it, they've already told students no partial refunds for the impromptu online experience.

I think your rant is rather confused, to say the least.

Teacher Unions typically are representative of public school teachers. But you seem to be conflating university educators with K-12 teachers and their union, given your statements about "increasing tuition" (public schools typically don't charge tuition, only private schools and universities), prolonging graduation (doesn't happen in public K-12 schools....they have a set number of days that have to be in session every year and graduations are rarely "prolonged").

And how are only Democrats charging little guys in the private sector for anything education related? Ever hear of property taxes, which are used for public education? Additionally, most school districts can and do issue bonds to finance major building programs, etc.

Oh, btw....are there no Republican led states with Repub. led public school districts, or universities located in Republican led states? So how are those schools financed.....by fleecing those little guys in the private sector?

But I see....only the Democrats are "bad".....the conservatives in charge of numerous states/school districts, who are doing the same exact thing Democrat-led school districts/cities do are OK in your view, right?
 

sportage

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I kinda agree with the police not taking a stand or a kneel during business hours. It looks too unprofessional. Not that the police can not sympathize with the protestors and their cause, but better to do that off-time than on-time. It just looks too weird. As if American soldiers did the same during war, to sympathize with the killed despite the killed having been the enemy. I know.... the protestor ARE NOT the enemy in the case of black lives matter, but if the police are called in to maintain the calm and defuse the rioting then those police should not be handing out a judgment while doing their job of policing. Supporting the protestors and the protesting can be expressed by the police either by putting out statements and or live press conferences. I just think kneeling while doing their job looks not right. Does anyone believe this looks right?
 

Maxima1

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I think your rant is rather confused, to say the least.

Teacher Unions typically are representative of public school teachers. But you seem to be conflating university educators with K-12 teachers and their union, given your statements about "increasing tuition" (public schools typically don't charge tuition, only private schools and universities), prolonging graduation (doesn't happen in public K-12 schools....they have a set number of days that have to be in session every year and graduations are rarely "prolonged").

He listed out multiple unions. I thought "educators" would have been clear enough I was talking more broadly. ironically, in regards to K-12, this may lead to offering earlier senior graduation for some students, which isn't a bad thing for a lot of high school students. I've noticed a lot of educators have their children starting college classes earlier than 18.

And how are only Democrats charging little guys in the private sector for anything education related? Ever hear of property taxes, which are used for public education?

Aren't middle class private sector workers without a union the "little guy" too even if they own a home? A lot of them work harder and have to have more competence than many teachers and certainty a lot of the support staff that essentially get similar pay to actual teachers.

Even then, increasing costs to home ownership hurts the poorer earners too indirectly.

Additionally, most school districts can and do issue bonds to finance major building programs, etc.

Yes, somehow it's never enough. Anyone with a brain knows it's giving the unions more leverage when they get maintenance/building funding approved if voters foolishly play along.

Editorial: Local, state school bond failures suggest California needs new path

And guess what? Voters are smart not to offer such trust. Increasingly, at a fundamental level — both on finances and on education policy — those running public schools and the employee unions that influence them have been playing shell games.

School officials across the state complain about budget funding even though, as the Los Angeles Times reported in May, state education funding has actually increased at least 60% since 2014 and enrollment is flat or declining. Exploding pension costs are one of the big drivers of the districts’ woes.

Oh, btw....are there no Republican led states with Repub. led public school districts, or universities located in Republican led states? So how are those schools financed.....by fleecing those little guys in the private sector?

But I see....only the Democrats are "bad".....the conservatives in charge of numerous states/school districts, who are doing the same exact thing Democrat-led school districts/cities do are OK in your view, right?

No. I just didn't comment about the Republicans.
 

JEDIYoda

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He listed out multiple unions. I thought "educators" would have been clear enough I was talking more broadly. ironically, in regards to K-12, this may lead to offering earlier senior graduation for some students, which isn't a bad thing for a lot of high school students. I've noticed a lot of educators have their children starting college classes earlier than 18.



Aren't middle class private sector workers without a union the "little guy" too even if they own a home? A lot of them work harder and have to have more competence than many teachers and certainty a lot of the support staff that essentially get similar pay to actual teachers.

Even then, increasing costs to home ownership hurts the poorer earners too indirectly.



Yes, somehow it's never enough. Anyone with a brain knows it's giving the unions more leverage when they get maintenance/building funding approved if voters foolishly play along.

Editorial: Local, state school bond failures suggest California needs new path

And guess what? Voters are smart not to offer such trust. Increasingly, at a fundamental level — both on finances and on education policy — those running public schools and the employee unions that influence them have been playing shell games.

School officials across the state complain about budget funding even though, as the Los Angeles Times reported in May, state education funding has actually increased at least 60% since 2014 and enrollment is flat or declining. Exploding pension costs are one of the big drivers of the districts’ woes.




No. I just didn't comment about the Republicans.
hahahahhahhhahaaaaaaaa
 

pauldun170

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Imagine a Firefighter union that swears to protect firefighters who are arsonist.
That's whats happening with police unions.

Imagine those arsonists only set fire to black households.
They would get the full backing of the union and people like those who are on my ignore list would respond with
- You don't know if that fire was going on before the firefighter poured gas all over the place.
- What about chicago fires? When are they going to do something about that?
- What about the blacks who are arsonists?
- Being a firefighter is hard we should be thanking them
 
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Imagine a Firefighter union that swears to protect firefighters who are arsonist.
That's whats happening with police unions.

Imagine those arsonists only set fire to black households.
They would get the full backing of the union and people like those who are on my ignore list would respond with
- You don't know if that fire was going on before the firefighter poured gas all over the place.
- What about chicago fires? When are they going to do something about that?
- What about the blacks who are arsonists?
- Being a firefighter is hard we should be thanking them
don`t forget qualified immunity......