chicago must hire 111 black fire fighters

arcenite

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CHICAGO – A federal appeals court ruled on Friday that the Chicago Fire Department must hire 111 African Americans who passed a firefighters entrance exam 16 years ago and pay millions of dollars to thousands more who took and passed the same test.

The Seventh U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals ruling was the latest blow to the city, which has been on the losing end of court decisions regarding the 1995 test for years, including a 2005 ruling by a federal judge who said the test discriminated against black applicants and a U.S. Supreme Court ruling last year that the candidates did not wait too long to sue the city.

An attorney for the black firefighter candidates said that the 111 jobs would be filled from the applicants who passed the 1995 test and their pensions would be adjusted as if they'd been firefighters since 1995. And, said Joshua Karsh, 6,000 others who also passed the test will divide "tens of millions of dollars" that would have been paid 111 firefighters from 1995 until today.
A spokeswoman for the city's law department called the decision a "partial victory" for the city because it reduced the number of African Americans the fire department must hire from 132 to 111. "Reducing the number of plaintiffs who are eligible reduces the damages," said Jenny Hoyle.

Hoyle said that the city was still calculating the damages as result of dividing the back pay of 111 firefighters among the 6,000 applicants, but that officials estimate the payout will be about $30 million.

The ruling stems from a test given in 1995 that was intended to measure an aptitude for firefighting. After the test, anyone who scored 64 or below was deemed not qualified, but officials told those who scored above that number that while they passed, they would randomly hire the top 1,800 who scored 89 or better.

Because only 11 percent of the African Americans scored 89 or better, the overwhelming number of applicants hired from that test were white.
Karsh said the test was discriminatory because there was no evidence that the applicant who scored 89 or better would be any better firefighter than another who scored a 64, and in fact in 2005 a federal judge said the test discriminated against black candidates. In her ruling the judge said the city knew the cutoff point was meaningless and would disproportionately exclude blacks from the pool of candidates most likely to be hired.

"If the city of Chicago had selected firefighters at random from all the people who passed the test it would have gotten a pool of equally capable firefighters and the pool would have been more integrated," said Karsh said. He said he did not know when the hiring might begin, but said that he expected it to start soon.

After the judge's decision, the city, which hadn't given another test since 1995 because of ongoing court challenges, gave another test in 2006. But that test was given on a pass/fail basis and that all passing applicants, and not just the top ones, were processed randomly for additional tests such as physical agility and background checks.
 

shortylickens

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I so want to comment, but I know anything I say will get me banned by the mods.

I hate being white and thinking for myself. Its such a burden, especially on a public forum.
 

Nebor

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So the plaintiffs argument is essentially that you don't have to be smart to be a good firefighter. Ballsy.
 

mrjminer

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I so want to comment, but I know anything I say will get me banned by the mods.

I hate being white and thinking for myself. Its such a burden, especially on a public forum.

I'll roll the dice.

Can't really know more without knowing the basis by which the judge came by this decision, though: "in 2005 a federal judge said the test discriminated against black candidates. In her ruling the judge said the city knew the cutoff point was meaningless and would disproportionately exclude blacks from the pool of candidates most likely to be hired," but the following can be said about her decision:

It doesn't matter if the "cutoff point was meaningless" because it was applied to every candidate, white or black (or mexican, or algerian, or whatever the hell), but the actual questions would matter if they were questions like "Are you black?" or "Are you not white?" and the wrong answer resulted in losing 10% of their points or some shit.

Otherwise, if everyone had the same questions, the same cutoff point, and they truly were selected randomly, then the racist one is the judge, out to fuck the majority to win points from dumbasses who think everything that doesn't go in favor of a non-white race is racist.
 

waggy

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yeah its fucking retarded. great so this says that the black fire fighters are not good enough to get the job (even though other black fire fighters have done it). Also now Chicago has 111 fire fighters who sucked so bad they had be given the job just because they are black.
 

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Karsh said the test was discriminatory because there was no evidence that the applicant who scored 89 or better would be any better firefighter than another who scored a 64

Haha wow. Wait who's going to give jobs and 16 years towards a pension to the white firefighters who couldn't get hired because they scored below an 89? Those guys are practically qualified for a full pension without having worked a day as a firefighter.
 
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Nebor

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Haha wow. Wait who's going to give jobs and 16 years towards a pension to the white firefighters who couldn't get hired because they scored below an 89? Those guys are practically qualified for a full pension without having worked a day as a firefighter.

What a massive expense for the city of Chicago. Paying 111 guys a pension isn't going to be cheap, nevermind the upfront lump payment. It'd be a shame if they had to close fire stations due to lack of funding because of this.
 

Slew Foot

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Wasnt this the plot for American History X?

Dad was a pissed off fireman because the fire department had to hire black guys who couldnt pass the test?
 

zerocool84

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Yea screw having the best candidates regardless of race, the black people that scored below the cutoff point still should be hired because they're black, not because they were below the minimum. Why aren't the white people that scored below 89 not getting back pay? Oh yea, it`s because they're white and you can't be racist to a white person. This type of stuff disgusts me and just perpetuates racism.
 

shortylickens

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What a massive expense for the city of Chicago. Paying 111 guys a pension isn't going to be cheap, nevermind the upfront lump payment. It'd be a shame if they had to close fire stations due to lack of funding because of this.

Well, Chicago does love their riots.
 

zerocool84

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Loliberals

Wasnt this the plot for American History X?

Dad was a pissed off fireman because the fire department had to hire black guys who couldnt pass the test?

His dad was a janitor and ran a janitor business I believe and the government mandated hiring minority businesses so his dad lost his job.
 

shortylickens

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His dad was a janitor and ran a janitor business I believe and the government mandated hiring minority businesses so his dad lost his job.

Um, nope.
Amex X was one of my faves, mostly cuz of sexy Ed Norton. I remember the dad scenes very well. His dad had to work with blacks who failed the test, and later on his dad died fighting a fire in a black neighborhood. Thats was set the kid off.
 

brianmanahan

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What a massive expense for the city of Chicago. Paying 111 guys a pension isn't going to be cheap, nevermind the upfront lump payment. It'd be a shame if they had to close fire stations due to lack of funding because of this.

maybe thats why it burned down
 

zerocool84

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Um, nope.
Amex X was one of my faves, mostly cuz of sexy Ed Norton. I remember the dad scenes very well. His dad had to work with blacks who failed the test, and later on his dad died fighting a fire in a black neighborhood. Thats was set the kid off.

Oh yea now I remember and Ed Norton was on tv talking to reporters and crying. I have no idea what movie I was thinking about then.
 

OCGuy

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Wow Chicago is going to bankrupt its way into oblivion.

IL is a the most corrupt place in existence...