Chicago cops are cracking down and issuing tickets up to $225 to bicyclers

MisfitsFiend

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Chicago ticketing bikers


By Kelly Kennedy
Tribune staff reporter
Published July 20, 2005

When bicycle police stopped Jacob Meehan at Roscoe and Halsted Streets in Chicago's Lakeview neighborhood, he immediately knew what he had done.

"I was going the wrong direction on a one-way," Meehan said.

"No, we caught him going through a stop sign," the officer said.

"Oh," Meehan said.

Police spent six hours Tuesday on bike patrol in Lakeview, giving out 37 warnings to bicyclists for running red lights, riding on sidewalks and, indeed, going the wrong direction on a one-way street. Next month, police will start handing out tickets, with fines that range from $25 to $250.

Members of Mayor Richard Daley's Bicycling Ambassadors, an educational outreach group, were also in Lakeview on Tuesday, passing out bike safety information and maps showing routes with bike lanes or wide streets. They'll be out again in Lakeview from 1 to 9 p.m. Wednesday.

"It's kind of annoying because I was trying to do my thing, but it's understandable," Meehan said about the police stop. "At least they were gracious enough to give me a warning."

Then he asked the officer if he should be wearing a helmet in Chicago.

Yes.

Bicyclists in the neighborhood agreed they tend to ignore the rules, and that it could lead to injury. Police decided to start on Halsted Street because business owners had complained about too many bicycles on the sidewalks, Chicago Police Sgt. Phil Greco said.

"We're not out to hurt anyone with a citation," Greco said. "We're just out here to make it safer."

Greco said a lot of bicyclists do not know that only children younger than 12 may ride on sidewalks or that the same laws that apply to cars apply to bicycles. But some of them do and ignore the rules.

Just after scooting through a red light, Josh Zaffino said police had no reason to patrol the neighborhood because most of the bicyclists are regulars who know the rules.

"Granted, there was a red light back there," he said, "but there weren't any cars."

As he spoke, another man drove his bike past on the sidewalk.

Zaffino said he sometimes rides his bike on the wrong side of the road, but that sometimes it is hard to get over to the correct side when traffic is heavy.

"But it's not a problem," he said. "If people are coming from the other direction, bikers always get out of the way."

Eve Jennings, program director for the Bicycle Ambassadors, said bicyclists need to obey the law because they cannot always be sure what everybody else is going to do. For example, a person opening a car door might look to the rear to make sure no one is coming, but not forward because traffic is not supposed to be coming from that direction.

And bicyclists need to be safer in general. Jennings said seven bicyclists died in 2003 in Chicago. "We want more people to bicycle," she said. "We aren't here to scare people, but they have to be safe."

Since she began in her position four years ago, Jennings said she has seen more people biking, as well as more bike lanes and programs for bicyclists.
And, cities known for being bicycle-friendly are calling her to ask about the ambassador program, she said. The program includes five full-time staff members and 10 part-time junior ambassadors who will attend 350 events this summer to talk about bicycle safety.

"Motorists are beginning to anticipate bicyclists and give them more space on the road," she said. "But it's not perfect yet."

Three blocks north of Roscoe, bicyclist Stuart Goodman said the heavy traffic on Halsted can be a problem for bicyclists.

"Cars driving in the bike lanes all the time scare the heck out of me," he said. "I think they speed up for bike riders to try to cut us off."

Then he said he has a tendency to drive through red lights on his bicycle.

"I guess it's too much like being a pedestrian, so I don't think about it," he said. "It's probably a good idea to give out tickets."


Cliffs:

1. Don't follow same rules as cars while riding your bicycle
2. Cop sees you
3. Ticket
 

purbeast0

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I didn't read your post, but I say YYYYYYEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSS!!! to the topic at hand in your title. I HATE bikers that are on the main roads (i don't care about park roads) because they NEVER EVER follow road rules in my area. They will:

- Not stop at a red light if there are no cars coming in the perpendicular roads and will just cross
- Not stop at a stop sign even if no cars are coming
- Weave between cars when there is traffic
- Not get the hell out of my way when I'm in a car and they can't keep up with the speed limit.

I wish all bikers would get the hell off the road and go on the damn sidewalk or something. Again, this is for major roads and not little neighborhood roads or park roads.

If they wanna use the damn roads, then follow the rules on the road, and if they break those rules, they should get the same penalty as someone who breaks them in a car, truck, SUV, or motorcycle.
 

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Originally posted by: purbeast0
I didn't read your post, but I say YYYYYYEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSS!!! to the topic at hand in your title. I HATE bikers that are on the main roads (i don't care about park roads) because they NEVER EVER follow road rules in my area. They will:

- Not stop at a red light if there are no cars coming in the perpendicular roads and will just cross
- Not stop at a stop sign even if no cars are coming
- Weave between cars when there is traffic
- Not get the hell out of my way when I'm in a car and they can't keep up with the speed limit.

I wish all bikers would get the hell off the road and go on the damn sidewalk or something. Again, this is for major roads and not little neighborhood roads or park roads.

If they wanna use the damn roads, then follow the rules on the road, and if they break those rules, they should get the same penalty as someone who breaks them in a car, truck, SUV, or motorcycle.


thus a paradox. if a car can't drive on a sidewalk, what makes you think a bike can? :)
 

notfred

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Originally posted by: purbeast0
I wish all bikers would get the hell off the road and go on the damn sidewalk or something.

you should read the post and stop acting like a moron. They're giving tickets for riding on the sidewalk.
 

purbeast0

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Originally posted by: chambersc
Originally posted by: purbeast0
I didn't read your post, but I say YYYYYYEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSS!!! to the topic at hand in your title. I HATE bikers that are on the main roads (i don't care about park roads) because they NEVER EVER follow road rules in my area. They will:

- Not stop at a red light if there are no cars coming in the perpendicular roads and will just cross
- Not stop at a stop sign even if no cars are coming
- Weave between cars when there is traffic
- Not get the hell out of my way when I'm in a car and they can't keep up with the speed limit.

I wish all bikers would get the hell off the road and go on the damn sidewalk or something. Again, this is for major roads and not little neighborhood roads or park roads.

If they wanna use the damn roads, then follow the rules on the road, and if they break those rules, they should get the same penalty as someone who breaks them in a car, truck, SUV, or motorcycle.


thus a paradox. if a car can't drive on a sidewalk, what makes you think a bike can? :)

because a bike fits on the sidewalk and a car doesnt. i didn't think it was that complicated.
 

purbeast0

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Originally posted by: notfred
Originally posted by: purbeast0
I wish all bikers would get the hell off the road and go on the damn sidewalk or something.

you should read the post and stop acting like a moron. They're giving tickets for riding on the sidewalk.

well i said i WISH, as in i WISH that was the law. its not though, the law is they need to ride on the streets. HOWEVER, the ones on the streets don't follow the street rules, and thats what they are getting ticketed for when riding on the streets.

and yes, i have now read the article.

EDIT: and no, i did not know that it was illegal to ride a bike on the sidewalk until i read that.
 

ggnl

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Originally posted by: purbeast0
Originally posted by: notfred
Originally posted by: purbeast0
I wish all bikers would get the hell off the road and go on the damn sidewalk or something.

you should read the post and stop acting like a moron. They're giving tickets for riding on the sidewalk.

well i said i WISH, as in i WISH that was the law. its not though, the law is they need to ride on the streets. HOWEVER, the ones on the streets don't follow the street rules, and thats what they are getting ticketed for when riding on the streets.

and yes, i have now read the article.

EDIT: and no, i did not know that it was illegal to ride a bike on the sidewalk until i read that.

I'll start obeying traffic rules on my bike when drivers start doing the same. As it is 99% of drivers don't know what do when they are sharing the road with a cyclist.
 

Chadder007

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Im sick of these "traffic" cops. Thats all you ever see police do now is go after revenue from easy to catch speeders.
 

BigJ

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Originally posted by: Chadder007
Im sick of these "traffic" cops. Thats all you ever see police do now is go after revenue from easy to catch speeders.

If police shouldn't enforce them, then should we even have traffic laws?
 

MetalMat

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Originally posted by: MisfitsFiend
Chicago ticketing bikers


By Kelly Kennedy
Tribune staff reporter
Published July 20, 2005

When bicycle police stopped Jacob Meehan at Roscoe and Halsted Streets in Chicago's Lakeview neighborhood, he immediately knew what he had done.

"I was going the wrong direction on a one-way," Meehan said.

"No, we caught him going through a stop sign," the officer said.

"Oh," Meehan said.

Police spent six hours Tuesday on bike patrol in Lakeview, giving out 37 warnings to bicyclists for running red lights, riding on sidewalks and, indeed, going the wrong direction on a one-way street. Next month, police will start handing out tickets, with fines that range from $25 to $250.

Members of Mayor Richard Daley's Bicycling Ambassadors, an educational outreach group, were also in Lakeview on Tuesday, passing out bike safety information and maps showing routes with bike lanes or wide streets. They'll be out again in Lakeview from 1 to 9 p.m. Wednesday.

"It's kind of annoying because I was trying to do my thing, but it's understandable," Meehan said about the police stop. "At least they were gracious enough to give me a warning."

Then he asked the officer if he should be wearing a helmet in Chicago.

Yes.

Bicyclists in the neighborhood agreed they tend to ignore the rules, and that it could lead to injury. Police decided to start on Halsted Street because business owners had complained about too many bicycles on the sidewalks, Chicago Police Sgt. Phil Greco said.

"We're not out to hurt anyone with a citation," Greco said. "We're just out here to make it safer."

Greco said a lot of bicyclists do not know that only children younger than 12 may ride on sidewalks or that the same laws that apply to cars apply to bicycles. But some of them do and ignore the rules.

Just after scooting through a red light, Josh Zaffino said police had no reason to patrol the neighborhood because most of the bicyclists are regulars who know the rules.

"Granted, there was a red light back there," he said, "but there weren't any cars."

As he spoke, another man drove his bike past on the sidewalk.

Zaffino said he sometimes rides his bike on the wrong side of the road, but that sometimes it is hard to get over to the correct side when traffic is heavy.

"But it's not a problem," he said. "If people are coming from the other direction, bikers always get out of the way."

Eve Jennings, program director for the Bicycle Ambassadors, said bicyclists need to obey the law because they cannot always be sure what everybody else is going to do. For example, a person opening a car door might look to the rear to make sure no one is coming, but not forward because traffic is not supposed to be coming from that direction.

And bicyclists need to be safer in general. Jennings said seven bicyclists died in 2003 in Chicago. "We want more people to bicycle," she said. "We aren't here to scare people, but they have to be safe."

Since she began in her position four years ago, Jennings said she has seen more people biking, as well as more bike lanes and programs for bicyclists.
And, cities known for being bicycle-friendly are calling her to ask about the ambassador program, she said. The program includes five full-time staff members and 10 part-time junior ambassadors who will attend 350 events this summer to talk about bicycle safety.

"Motorists are beginning to anticipate bicyclists and give them more space on the road," she said. "But it's not perfect yet."

Three blocks north of Roscoe, bicyclist Stuart Goodman said the heavy traffic on Halsted can be a problem for bicyclists.

"Cars driving in the bike lanes all the time scare the heck out of me," he said. "I think they speed up for bike riders to try to cut us off."

Then he said he has a tendency to drive through red lights on his bicycle.

"I guess it's too much like being a pedestrian, so I don't think about it," he said. "It's probably a good idea to give out tickets."


Cliffs:

1. Don't follow same rules as cars while riding your bicycle
2. Cop sees you
3. Ticket


If anyone would do that stuff on a major road where I live, I guarantee that person would get run over.
 

GasX

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Originally posted by: notfred
Originally posted by: purbeast0
I wish all bikers would get the hell off the road and go on the damn sidewalk or something.

you should read the post and stop acting like a moron. They're giving tickets for riding on the sidewalk.

he's not acting
 

boyRacer

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Originally posted by: purbeast0
I didn't read your post, but I say YYYYYYEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSS!!! to the topic at hand in your title. I HATE bikers that are on the main roads (i don't care about park roads) because they NEVER EVER follow road rules in my area. They will:

- Not stop at a red light if there are no cars coming in the perpendicular roads and will just cross
- Not stop at a stop sign even if no cars are coming
- Weave between cars when there is traffic
- Not get the hell out of my way when I'm in a car and they can't keep up with the speed limit.

I wish all bikers would get the hell off the road and go on the damn sidewalk or something. Again, this is for major roads and not little neighborhood roads or park roads.

If they wanna use the damn roads, then follow the rules on the road, and if they break those rules, they should get the same penalty as someone who breaks them in a car, truck, SUV, or motorcycle.

Well if you want them to follow the rules then I hope you have no problem with them holding you up when they stop at a red light in front of you. :)
 

91TTZ

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These laws are getting out of hand. It's abundantly clear that the main focus of most of these high-price tickets is to generate revenue, and safety is just the excuse they give for it.

"Sorry, but we need to run your pockets. It's for your safety"
 

91TTZ

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By the way, if you ever look on the back of a ticket and look at the fine amounts for various infractions, it's very clear that the prices are set up to generate maximum revenue and not to increase safety. Very common offenses like having an expired inspection sticker or improper paperwork carry heavier fines than less common, but more dangerous offenses like reckless driving. It's all about the revenue.
 

Dedpuhl

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Originally posted by: 91TTZ
These laws are getting out of hand. It's abundantly clear that the main focus of most of these high-price tickets is to generate revenue, and safety is just the excuse they give for it.

"Sorry, but we need to run your pockets. It's for your safety"

Is it really THAT hard for people to obey the law?
 

BigJ

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Originally posted by: 91TTZ
By the way, if you ever look on the back of a ticket and look at the fine amounts for various infractions, it's very clear that the prices are set up to generate maximum revenue and not to increase safety. Very common offenses like having an expired inspection sticker or improper paperwork carry heavier fines than less common, but more dangerous offenses like reckless driving. It's all about the revenue.

Can an expired inspection sticker or improper paperwork land you in jail to the extent reckless driving can?

How about the revocation or suspension of your license?
 

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This hurts bike messengers and the businesses they deliver to in the downtown Loop the most.
 

91TTZ

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Originally posted by: BigJ


Can an expired inspection sticker or improper paperwork land you in jail to the extent reckless driving can?

How about the revocation or suspension of your license?

Yes, on both counts. Show no proof of license or insurance and you can be toast.
 

91TTZ

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Originally posted by: Dedpuhl
Originally posted by: 91TTZ
These laws are getting out of hand. It's abundantly clear that the main focus of most of these high-price tickets is to generate revenue, and safety is just the excuse they give for it.

"Sorry, but we need to run your pockets. It's for your safety"

Is it really THAT hard for people to obey the law?

Can't you draw the distinction between obeying the law and charging an unjustified price for breaking it?

For instance, if I jaywalk I might get a $15 fine. That would be somewhat justified. But what if you jaywalk and they give you a $750 fine? Is that justified? What about a $2500 fine?
 

GeekDrew

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Originally posted by: ggnl
I'll start obeying traffic rules on my bike when drivers start doing the same. As it is 99% of drivers don't know what do when they are sharing the road with a cyclist.

I, for one, have no idea what to do when I'm sharing the road with a cyclist... the times that I've experienced it, I've just managed to change lanes to get away from them.

I grew up in an extremely rural area, on a state highway that sees MAYBE 50 cars an hour... and thus I freaked a bit the first time I drove in Chicago traffic... I've never really driven in traffic that heavy, or in a big city. :-\ Having a cyclist blow through an opposing red light and jumping directly in front of my car yesterday sure didn't help me adjust any more easily. :p
 

BigJ

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Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: BigJ


Can an expired inspection sticker or improper paperwork land you in jail to the extent reckless driving can?

How about the revocation or suspension of your license?

Yes, on both counts. Show no proof of license or insurance and you can be toast.

Unless you actually don't have a valid license or insurance, you're not going to wind up in jail like you would for reckless driving. The only thing that will happen is you get fined, and you have to appear in court. If you show up in court with proof, then the fine is usually dismissed as long as you pay a $25 court fee.

I'd like you to cite where it says that the jail penalty for reckless driving is as extensive as that for driving without proof of license or insurance. Or just showing where you can serve jail time at all.
 

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Originally posted by: 11thHour
This hurts bike messengers and the businesses they deliver to in the downtown Loop the most.

Pffff... try driving around those idiots. I wouldn't be surprised if all 7 of those bicycle fatalties last year were messengers. Those guys are insane, and they make the roads less safe for everyone.

Having said that, I doubt that they will slow down any, and I doubt that the cops are going to care a month from now.