Chicago Constantly Tries Restricting Guns

[K1052]

IMO it's more of an issue that South Chicago is a ghetto with few economic opportunities for its residents other than crime, but we could probably debate this all day.

That's one issue among several that has wrought the current state of affairs. The problem is economically and socially complex but that's not something people want to hear.

 

[momeNt]

The study from UIC’s Great Cities Institute found that 47 percent of 20-24 year old African American men in Chicago were out of school and out of work in 2014. Across the state, the number was 44 percent, much higher than the national average of 32 percent of young black men.

The numbers are startling when it comes to teen unemployment for black teens at 88-percent. The stats are nor encouraging for Hispanics either, at 85 percent unemployed.

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2016/01...ck-men-in-chicago-out-of-work-school-in-2014/

 

[Moonbeam]

I'm a strong proponent of gun rights, but this is Chicago's problem. Criminals from IL are buying guns in IN to commit crimes in IL. And then when Chicago tries to do something about this illicit gun trade, they get attacked as anti-2a.

I started reading this thread to get to your post since I saw your name up as the last poster when I noticed the thread. I was curious to see what your post would say because I find your thinking to be deeply intelligent and sane and in particular a mix of profound common sense and classic liberal respect for the rights of the individual. My first thought on reading the thread title was that it would be full of the typical fun nutter fear that what people who live in a densely populated gang ridden city fearing that what the people there want to do there might soon become law in Nevada, the very people who as conservatives should support the notion that local people understand understand and can react to their local problems better than say the feds. It pleases me that my reaction appears to be rather parallel to your own.

I have always felt that ones attitude toward guns would essentially come down to whether the guns around you are more generally there to defend your family or or more generally pointed their way.

 

[Svnla]

you should really seek professional help.

Look like you are the one that need help with your lie and stupid statement. Here is another the one for you. By your logic above, let have all drivers (regardless of age and sobriety) have all the alcohol they want, that will help with DWI problem. LOL.

No matter how hard I try, I will never be able in the same level as you. Facts are facts.

 

[Svnla]

My geography may be a tad hazy but I seem to recall Atlanta, New Orleans, and Memphis being in what is traditionally considered the "south". All of which, last I looked, sport murder rates above Chicago.

My recollection is that as of the 2015 FBI statistics medium and small southern cites are also over-represented on the high end in terms of murder rate and violent crime. The argument that geography and lax gun laws are some sort of barrier to murder and violent crime doesn't seem to bear out.

You "forgot" to include big cities in the South such as Dallas, Austin, Houston, etc. I don't recall ever read or hear anything about 11 killed and 11 wounded within 48 hours from those cities as I do with Chicago.

Speaking of Memphis, let take a wild guess about the demographic group and locations of those shooting/murders, shall we? What do they (along with Atlanta, New Orleans (especially Ward 9) have common with Chicago. Here is a hint - http://www.commercialappeal.com/sto...eaches-grim-milestone-200-homicides/92877546/

My point? Guns are not the problem but idiots with guns are plus problems with poverty, hopelessness, broken families with no fathers, gangs, drugs and so on are the main culprits.

 

[K1052]

You "forgot" to include big cities in the South such as Dallas, Austin, Houston, etc. I don't recall ever read or hear anything about 11 killed and 11 wounded within 48 hours from those cities as I do with Chicago.

Speaking of Memphis, let take a wild guess about the demographic group and locations of those shooting/murders, shall we? What do they (along with Atlanta, New Orleans (especially Ward 9) have common with Chicago. Here is a hint - http://www.commercialappeal.com/sto...eaches-grim-milestone-200-homicides/92877546/

My point? Guns are not the problem but idiots with guns are plus problems with poverty, hopelessness, broken families with no fathers, gangs, drugs and so on are the main culprits.

I forgot nothing, simply challenged the assertion that being in the south and having lax firearm laws somehow means big cities in the south are somehow immune to substantial violence. I merely provided a few counter points.

As to the current level of shootings in Chicago it is, unfortunately, not unprecedented.

That poverty and violence are correlated isn't a surprise. I've mentioned it more times than I can recall in other threads.

 

[Svnla]

I forgot nothing, simply challenged the assertion that being in the south and having lax firearm laws somehow means big cities in the south are somehow immune to substantial violence. I merely provided a few counter points.

As to the current level of shootings in Chicago it is, unfortunately, not unprecedented.

That poverty and violence are correlated isn't a surprise. I've mentioned it more times than I can recall in other threads.

Uh, read my previous post again, I did not say "lax firearm laws" as you claimed. This is what I said "with no strict gun control". There is no "lax" anywhere in any city. Let think for a second, should those cities in the South have blood running on their streets because of "lax firearm laws"? But goodness, they did not. Why is that?

Again, look at the demographic group of the perpetrators and victims of those shootings/murders and the locations. What do they have in common?

I don't remember any repeat shootings almost daily in Mayberry street, do you?

 

[alien42]

Look like you are the one that need help with your lie and stupid statement. Here is another the one for you. By your logic above, let have all drivers (regardless of age and sobriety) have all the alcohol they want, that will help with DWI problem. LOL.

No matter how hard I try, I will never be able in the same level as you. Facts are facts.

i lied? what are you talking about?

and why do you continue making analogies that prove my very simple point correct? i don't even think you realize what you are saying.

not that it matters what a racist POS like yourself thinks or says anyways.

 

[Svnla]

i lied? what are you talking about?

and why do you continue making analogies that prove my very simple point correct? i don't even think you realize what you are saying.

not that it matters what a racist POS like yourself thinks or says anyways.

Read post #16. First sentence, still waiting for your reply.

It is you that do not know what you are saying. I am MOCKING you by using the same logic that you used. If you do not see how stupid your logic/statement was. No hope for you.

Oh, of course, pull the soooooooooooo racist card out. Can't debate with FACTS, pull out the race card. Tell me something new, eh?

 

[alien42]

more insanity

i'm white genius.

 

[Svnla]

i'm white genius.

One coming right up for you.

 

[alien42]

One coming right up for you.

i called you a racist because you are a racist.

https://forums.anandtech.com/search/192274/?q=racist&o=date&c[node]=24&c[user][0]=121978

you have been repeatedly called a racist on this forum and your response is always the same. why don't you just own up to and take pride in it?

 

[fskimospy]

You "forgot" to include big cities in the South such as Dallas, Austin, Houston, etc. I don't recall ever read or hear anything about 11 killed and 11 wounded within 48 hours from those cities as I do with Chicago.

Speaking of Memphis, let take a wild guess about the demographic group and locations of those shooting/murders, shall we? What do they (along with Atlanta, New Orleans (especially Ward 9) have common with Chicago. Here is a hint - http://www.commercialappeal.com/sto...eaches-grim-milestone-200-homicides/92877546/

My point? Guns are not the problem but idiots with guns are plus problems with poverty, hopelessness, broken families with no fathers, gangs, drugs and so on are the main culprits.

Empirical research says exactly the opposite. Increased gun ownership is associated with an increased risk of death by homicide as well as by suicide.

https://academic.oup.com/aje/articl...ns-in-the-Home-and-Risk-of-a-Violent-Death-in

Those persons with guns in the home were at greater risk than those without guns in the home of dying from a homicide in the home (adjusted odds ratio = 1.9, 95% confidence interval: 1.1, 3.4). They were also at greater risk of dying from a firearm homicide, but risk varied by age and whether the person was living with others at the time of death. The risk of dying from a suicide in the home was greater for males in homes with guns than for males without guns in the home (adjusted odds ratio = 10.4, 95% confidence interval: 5.8, 18.9).

Additionally, gun control laws appear to be effective in reducing homicide rates:

http://www.americanbar.org/content/dam/aba/images/gun_violence/Connecticut-Study.pdf

Results: We estimate that the law was associated with a 40% reduction in Connecticut’s firearm homicide rates during the first 10 years that the law was in place. In contrast, there is no evidence for a reduction in nonfirearm homicides.

Conclusions: Consistent with prior research, this study demonstrates that Connecticut’s handgun purchaser licensing law is associated with a subsequent reduction in homicide rates. As would be expected if the reduction is driven by the law, the policy’s effects are only evident for homicides committed with firearms.

Does any of this make you want to reconsider your position that guns are not the problem?

 

[Svnla]

i called you a racist because you are a racist.

https://forums.anandtech.com/search/192274/?q=racist&o=date&c[node]=24&c[user][0]=121978

you have been repeatedly called a racist on this forum and your response is always the same. why don't you just own up to and take pride in it?

Look at the FACTS, shall we? Just a few examples out of many, from this forum alone.

Support of a black victim = https://forums.anandtech.com/thread...eration-of-brian-banks-updates-in-op.2309614/

Support of black church being burned = https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/stay-classy-mississippi-and-stay-burning.2490845/#post-38553473

A strong believer in MLK's words about treat everyone equally and not about the skin color = https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/california-state-university-offers-segregated-housing-to-shield-black-students-from-‘micr.2485613/page-8#post-38466754

Facts are facts. Undeniable facts.

 

[alien42]

Look at the FACTS, shall we?

https://forums.anandtech.com/thread...eration-of-brian-banks-updates-in-op.2309614/

https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/stay-classy-mississippi-and-stay-burning.2490845/#post-38553473

whatever you say Mayberry St.

 

[Svnla]

whatever you say Mayberry St.

Yup. Can't face the FACTS. Carry on child, keep that racist card with you. you WILL need it. LOL.

 

[pauldun170]

strict gun laws work great in NYC.

NYC has low crime rates compared to other cities. Despite what the TV says or the friend of a friend who didn't feel safe walking on the sidewalk next to the "blacks" its a safe city overall.
It also has strict gun laws.

There are other factors involved as to why NYC is a safer place to be than places like Chicago, Houston or LA.
1. Strict gun laws
2. The largest police force in the country where of a force of 50K, 35K are officers

Bonus - All the immigrants who are less likely to commit crime -https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/urban-crime-rates-and-the-changing-face-of-immigration.2499585/

Chicago police force is a fraction of the size, even taking in to account office per 100K population.

 

[K1052]

Uh, read my previous post again, I did not say "lax firearm laws" as you claimed. This is what I said "with no strict gun control". There is no "lax" anywhere in any city. Let think for a second, should those cities in the South have blood running on their streets because of "lax firearm laws"? But goodness, they did not. Why is that?

Again, look at the demographic group of the perpetrators and victims of those shootings/murders and the locations. What do they have in common?

I don't remember any repeat shootings almost daily in Mayberry street, do you?

I'm not sure what this word salad is supposed to actually mean.