Chicago Constantly Tries Restricting Guns

[piasabird]

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...ers-zorn-perspec-0217-md-20170216-column.html

This is what people in Chicago Keep trying to do:

"What if it's not just poverty, joblessness, illegal drugs, wimpy judges and fractured families causing the sort of mayhem that recently saw three kids die of bullet wounds in just two days in Chicago? What if the glut of guns is a part of it?

What if we took some of the fear and desire for safety that animates the call for extreme vetting of refugees from the Middle East and turned that energy into a call for extreme vetting of those who want to purchase firearms?"

What if we just enforce the constitution and allow all people to purchase all the guns they want so honest people can defend themselves? What if Chicago Police got rid of all the gangs instead of blaming everyone else?

 

[momeNt]

Most of the text falls under the heading - Microstamping.

My guess is this columnist is available for hire by that lobby, and it's publishing times well with renewed efforts in trying to pass this fairy tale bill.

It's a piece of metal that is easily replaced. and the etching isn't deep enough that filing it off would cause a light primer strike. Revolvers don't eject their casings, and you can put a bag on your ejection port to catch casings on a semi-auto. It's just all around stupid and serves to only help the patent holder.

The article is so filled with stupid it is hard to respond to the rest.

 

[glenn1]

Most of the text falls under the heading - Microstamping.

My guess is this columnist is available for hire by that lobby, and it's publishing times well with renewed efforts in trying to pass this fairy tale bill.

It's a piece of metal that is easily replaced. and the etching isn't deep enough that filing it off would cause a light primer strike. Revolvers don't eject their casings, and you can put a bag on your ejection port to catch casings on a semi-auto. It's just all around stupid and serves to only help the patent holder.

The article is so filled with stupid it is hard to respond to the rest.

Magical thinking seems remarkably common among those who want to limit other's rights, whether the right in question is firearms, abortion, speech, privacy, or anything else. Finding someone who supports rights restrictions and has actually thought through the implications of what they're suggesting is depressingly rare.

 

[momeNt]

Magical thinking seems remarkably common among those who want to limit other's rights, whether the right in question is firearms, abortion, speech, privacy, or anything else. Finding someone who supports rights restrictions and has actually thought through the implications of what they're suggesting is depressingly rare.

Just wait until there is an artificial uterus. Abortion will be outlawed and instead they will terminate the pregnancy and transplant the fetus into an artificial uterus. Women get their choice, and conservatives get their babies, and I get my unicorn rainbow shower.

 

[alien42]

strict gun laws work great in NYC.

 

[Svnla]

How well guns restriction is doing in Chicago?

11 killed and 11 wounded within 48 hours - https://www.yahoo.com/news/11-killed-11-wounded-48-225308200.html

 

[alien42]

How well guns restriction is doing in Chicago?

11 killed and 11 wounded within 48 hours - https://www.yahoo.com/news/11-killed-11-wounded-48-225308200.html

i have a great idea, MORE GUNS, surely that will lower those numbers.

 

[Svnla]

i have a great idea, MORE GUNS, surely that will lower those numbers.

Can't dispute the FACTs, pull out the stupidity, eh? Carry on, child.

Here are more FACTS, in your face - http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2017/02/15/man-charged-killing-chicago-child/97938680/

https://www.yahoo.com/news/2-old-boy-man-shot-223600086.html

http://wgntv.com/2017/02/17/reward-for-killer-of-2-year-old/

 

[momeNt]

strict gun laws work great in NYC.

Zero correlation between Brady grades and firearm homicide rates.

edit: better yet, look at Chandler Arizona, lowest homicide rate of any USA city with population over 250,000. Constitutional carry, shall sign NFA statutes. Heck, Arizona scores #1 on NRA's best places to live!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_by_crime_rate

 

[fskimospy]

Magical thinking seems remarkably common among those who want to limit other's rights, whether the right in question is firearms, abortion, speech, privacy, or anything else. Finding someone who supports rights restrictions and has actually thought through the implications of what they're suggesting is depressingly rare.

The good news about gun control is that people have put a lot of thought into it and the empirical research strongly indicates that gun control lessens gun deaths. I imagine you meant the magical thinking by anti-gun control people that think more guns means fewer deaths though, so we agree.

 

[K1052]

How well guns restriction is doing in Chicago?

11 killed and 11 wounded within 48 hours - https://www.yahoo.com/news/11-killed-11-wounded-48-225308200.html

The perception that gun laws in Chicago are still strict is something that's endured post-Heller decision, they really aren't. Even when they were the violence problem in the city was much much worse (90s).

Straw purchasing, mostly over the border in IN, is where they are coming from. If the Feds want to help with something they should start there.

 

[MongGrel]

There are already more guns than people in the US, they are never going to magically disappear.

I used to live in IN myself, guns are just a part of life there, and a lot of them are available in reputable gun shops that are legal and very rural.

My father even belonged to more or less a tea bagger type of militia group decades ago before he passed on, and that was before tea baggers were even a real term.

 

[K1052]

There are already more guns than people in the US, they are never going to magically disappear.

This is true but even as a gun owner and former collector I'm extremely skeptical of the "just add more guns" solution to every societal problem involving crime a lot of people seem to have adopted.

 

[alien42]

Can't dispute the FACTs, pull out the stupidity, eh? Carry on, child.

surely i don't need to point out the irony here and you won't bring me down to your level.

you want facts? how about NYC and it's 8.5 million people, not a few specific incidences which mean nothing.

 

[MongGrel]

This is true but even as a gun owner and former collector I'm extremely skeptical of the "just add more guns" solution to every societal problem involving crime a lot of people seem to have adopted.

I agree, and have many guns myself.

 

[Svnla]

surely i don't need to point out the irony here and you won't bring me down to your level.

you want facts? how about NYC and it's 8.5 million people, not a few specific incidences which mean nothing.

Did I ever mention "hey let have more guns", expressed or implied in this thread or any thread about gun control? Yes or No?

Your stupid statement is just like "hey, I have a great idea, let have cocain legally at every street corners, even at Walgreens, CVS, etc because the war on drugs is not working". See the stupidity yet or shall I go S-L-O-W-E-R for you?

Yeah, your level, level of sheer stupidity....LOL.

Oh, big cities in the South with no strict gun control yet have no problem with gun violence as Chicago. How about that? In your face, FACTS are FACTS.

 

[alien42]

insanity

you should really seek professional help.

 

[bshole]

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...ers-zorn-perspec-0217-md-20170216-column.html

This is what people in Chicago Keep trying to do:

"What if it's not just poverty, joblessness, illegal drugs, wimpy judges and fractured families causing the sort of mayhem that recently saw three kids die of bullet wounds in just two days in Chicago? What if the glut of guns is a part of it?

What if we took some of the fear and desire for safety that animates the call for extreme vetting of refugees from the Middle East and turned that energy into a call for extreme vetting of those who want to purchase firearms?"

What if we just enforce the constitution and allow all people to purchase all the guns they want so honest people can defend themselves? What if Chicago Police got rid of all the gangs instead of blaming everyone else?

Because giving everybody guns is going to prevent gangbangers from killing each other? How does that work?

 

[momeNt]

Because giving everybody guns is going to prevent gangbangers from killing each other? How does that work?

What does one have to do with the other? I think that is the point. Why target law abiding citizens when the problem is in an area that is less than 10 square blocks?

 

[K1052]

Oh, big cities in the South with no strict gun control yet have no problem with gun violence as Chicago. How about that? In your face, FACTS are FACTS.

My geography may be a tad hazy but I seem to recall Atlanta, New Orleans, and Memphis being in what is traditionally considered the "south". All of which, last I looked, sport murder rates above Chicago.

My recollection is that as of the 2015 FBI statistics medium and small southern cites are also over-represented on the high end in terms of murder rate and violent crime. The argument that geography and lax gun laws are some sort of barrier to murder and violent crime doesn't seem to bear out.

 

[MongGrel]

Did I ever mention "hey let have more guns", expressed or implied in this thread or any thread about gun control? Yes or No?

Your stupid statement is just like "hey, I have a great idea, let have cocain legally at every street corners, even at Walgreens, CVS, etc because the war on drugs is not working". See the stupidity yet or shall I go S-L-O-W-E-R for you?

Yeah, your level, level of sheer stupidity....LOL.

Oh, big cities in the South with no strict gun control yet have no problem with gun violence as Chicago. How about that? In your face, FACTS are FACTS.

Your rant is duly noted.

 

[Vic]

The perception that gun laws in Chicago are still strict is something that's endured post-Heller decision, they really aren't. Even when they were the violence problem in the city was much much worse (90s).

Straw purchasing, mostly over the border in IN, is where they are coming from. If the Feds want to help with something they should start there.

I'm a strong proponent of gun rights, but this is Chicago's problem. Criminals from IL are buying guns in IN to commit crimes in IL. And then when Chicago tries to do something about this illicit gun trade, they get attacked as anti-2a.

 

[momeNt]

I'm a strong proponent of gun rights, but this is Chicago's problem. Criminals from IL are buying guns in IN to commit crimes in IL. And then when Chicago tries to do something about this illicit gun trade, they get attacked as anti-2a.

Considering most all of them are repeat offenders, they were literally in jail, before this. Depending on the nature of their first crime, it could be that they were taken out of society, sent to the prison school for criminals, and emerged as criminals, or they were bad people to begin with, and needed to stay locked up longer.

It seems like a sentencing issue either way you look at it.

 

[K1052]

Considering most all of them are repeat offenders, they were literally in jail, before this. Depending on the nature of their first crime, it could be that they were taken out of society, sent to the prison school for criminals, and emerged as criminals, or they were bad people to begin with, and needed to stay locked up longer.

It seems like a sentencing issue either way you look at it.

The city has been asking for much stricter sentences on illegal firearm possession and limiting bond for some time but the state is mired in a scorched earth R-D war between the governor and the legislature so that probably won't happen until the governor's term ends. There is relatively little the city can to to directly combat this particular aspect of the problem.

 

[Vic]

Considering most all of them are repeat offenders, they were literally in jail, before this. Depending on the nature of their first crime, it could be that they were taken out of society, sent to the prison school for criminals, and emerged as criminals, or they were bad people to begin with, and needed to stay locked up longer.

It seems like a sentencing issue either way you look at it.

IMO it's more of an issue that South Chicago is a ghetto with few economic opportunities for its residents other than crime, but we could probably debate this all day.