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Chevy Camaro Concept Slated for '06 Detroit Show, '09 Debut

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No Lifer
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/News/articleId=106732
DETROIT ? Chevrolet plans to take the wraps off a concept Camaro at the 2006 Detroit auto show in January.

Also, Inside Line has learned the automaker is evaluating proposals to revive the classic performance-car nameplate in 2009-2010 on a new low-cost rear-wheel-drive platform.

Among the scenarios under discussion inside General Motors is the development of a lower-cost version of the Sigma rear-drive platform that underpins the Cadillac CTS and STS sedans. Another proposal would take the new rear-drive platform that's being developed in Australia for the next-generation Holden Commodore sedan and spin off a low-cost variant for North America.

GM planners are said to have targeted several body styles for the Chevy and Pontiac brands on a new rear-drive platform, including a sport sedan, a sporty coupe and a convertible. The Camaro and GTO badges could be used on those vehicles, according to company sources.

Across town, Chrysler is said to be preparing a concept Dodge Challenger for the '06 Detroit show, to test the market for a proposed two-door performance car it wants to introduce around 2008-2009 as a potential competitor to the Ford Mustang.

What this means to you: Guess it was just a matter of time and environmental awareness ? the original definition of muscle cars doesn't fit well with new perceptions of what's best for the world...could there be a "green" muscle car in our future?



Mustang success motivates GM?s engineers, Mark Reuss says

By Richard Truett
Automotive News / August 04, 2005


TRAVERSE CITY, Mich. -- The continued success of Ford?s red-hot Mustang is being noticed at General Motors. There has been talk reviving the Chevrolet Camaro as a competitor to Ford?s pony car.

Mark Reuss, GM?s executive director of vehicle architecture and Performance Division, says his engineers are looking to develop a low-cost rear-wheel drive platform that makes good business sense. Reuss spoke to staff reporter Richard Truett at the Management Briefing Seminars.

In light of the success of Ford?s new Mustang, has there been any rethinking of plans to bring back the Camaro or some other competitive car?

Yeah, absolutely. It?s not going unnoticed for sure. I think Ford did a great job with the Mustang, and you really have to look at it as a portfolio of cars. They have everything (in price) from the mid 20s up to 40s on that. They?ve done a nice job. And you have to pay attention to that. For many, many years it was SUVs and four doors. I think the market goes back and forth on a lot of this stuff. I think a coupe with a really great package is a great thing to have. The Pontiac GTO right now is filling our niche in the upper end of the Mustang portfolio. But as we go through time, we look at how do we participate?

The rear-wheel-drive program GM was working on, is it killed, frozen or just not on the front burner?

We would like to have a low-cost, rear-wheel platform in our portfolio, but business is very tough right now. You have to look at that and ask how do we do this on a very profitable basis? We have more brands than just the Ford brand. We are trying to make intelligent decisions on how you do a rear-wheel-drive platform for a couple more brands than a one-branded Ford deal. I think Ford has said the Mustang is the main brand but we are going to do Cobras and all these sub-brands that get us into the higher end. We are probably going to do things that have more brand exposure potentially on a low-cost, rear-drive architecture. Sometimes it gets a little dangerous, quite frankly, about who talks about what and what that person in the media writes about it. Like there is some sort of revelation that we are canceling something or starting something. Quite frankly this is a journey we are on all the time.

Does ?low cost? rule out using the Cadillac CTS platform?

Well, I don?t know. If you look at the CTS, you have to look at the good things, such as the straight frame barrels on the front that are very efficient for crush and very stiff for vehicle dynamics. We have an short- and long-arm front suspension and a multi-link rear and those ? inherently perform very, very well. There are some cost issues compared to a strut suspension. But the geometry and components that you have in a short- and long-arm architecture could change to make a low-cost rear-wheel-drive architecture. We also have aluminum components. We have some pretty expensive materials in there. There are a lot of different ways to get costs down. Right now we are trying to look at what the portfolio looks like for the next 20 years. What are the things we want to do with it? I don?t think the know-how is lacking. It?s specifically, what do we want to do with it over the next 10 years and then making an efficient business decision to address those needs.

Is the CTS a good size to launch other vehicles off?

We have two different widths, one for rear-wheel drive, one for all-wheel drive. We?ve got a long wheelbase version for China. So there?s a lot of wheelbase flexibility there.

Since the Holden Monaro is going out of production, is there pressure to come up with the next rear-wheel-drive architecture?

It?s not really an initiative as much as it is part of doing the business. We are looking at this stuff all the time. When we are ready to make decisions around what we are going to do there it is going to be a lot of where we want to put the car performance-wise, price-wise and brand-wise. Then we will go from there. That?s kind of how we are approaching it. This is an ongoing thing.

What makes the Pontiac Solstice so special that buyers are lining up for it?

The soul of this car is four-cylinder, 20,000 bucks and low-volume.

How would a GXP version of the Solstice be configured, with a supercharger?

Probably not. If wanted to do something we probably would look more globally on how we want to charge the engine. We could use a turbocharger.

What else is the Performance Division working on?

We are actually doing some things for mainline vehicles, such as uplevel engines and with packaging and execution, things we have not been asked to do in the past. I?m launching the Cadillac XLR-V and STS-V, and Chevrolet Trailblazer SS right now. We are spending a lot of time on those launches making sure those cars are right.

Beyond the engines in the XLR-V and STS-V, will the performance division get any engines out of the new Performance Build Center, where engines are made by hand?

Oh yeah, I think so.
 
Originally posted by: yellowfiero
They'll rebadge the GTO as the Camaro... 😉

they cant, the GTO is going out of production (holden has already scheduled to stop production of that car, its run its road)

but i will see what i can get out of my uncle if he comes in to town soon on what they are designing up there.
 
I'm still waiting to see anything substancial...but have I just been out of the loop or what...where did this banner at the bottom come from? lol
 
recipe for GM's future RWD success

1) Take WS6, discontinued in 2002 (t-top, batmobile looking, 350hp+, rwd, beast on wheels)
2) New interior that doesen't suck
3) Re-think as much of the framework as possible for more economic production
4) Triple-check that the engineers don't leave out a 6-speed option
5) Add a supercharged engine package called the widow-maker

bling :beer:
 
Every GM person I have talked to has said the Camaro was an idea, but it never went anywhere. I don't see that changing before 2008.
 
BITCHIN CAMARO, BITCHIN CAMARO
I ran over my neighbors
BITCHIN CAMARAO, BITCHIN CAMARO
Now it's in all the papers.
My folks bought me a BITCHIN CAMARO with no insurance to match;
So if you happen to run me down, please don't leave a scratch.
I ran over some old lady one night at the county fair;
And I didn't get arrested, because my dad's the mayor.
BITCHIN CAMARO, BITCHIN CAMARO
Doughnuts on your lawn
BITCHIN CAMARO, BITCHIN CAMARO
Tony Orlando and Dawn
When I drive past the kids, they all spit and cuss,
Because I've got a BITCHIN CAMARO and they have to ride the bus.
So you'd better get out of my way, when I run through your yard;
Because I've got a BITCHIN CAMARO;
And an Exxon credit card.
BITCHIN CAMARO, BITCHIN CAMARO
Hey, man where ya headed?
BITCHIN CAMARO, BITCHIN CAMARO
I drive on unleaded.
 
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/News/articleId=106732
DETROIT ? Chevrolet plans to take the wraps off a concept Camaro at the 2006 Detroit auto show in January.

Also, Inside Line has learned the automaker is evaluating proposals to revive the classic performance-car nameplate in 2009-2010 on a new low-cost rear-wheel-drive platform.

Among the scenarios under discussion inside General Motors is the development of a lower-cost version of the Sigma rear-drive platform that underpins the Cadillac CTS and STS sedans. Another proposal would take the new rear-drive platform that's being developed in Australia for the next-generation Holden Commodore sedan and spin off a low-cost variant for North America.

GM planners are said to have targeted several body styles for the Chevy and Pontiac brands on a new rear-drive platform, including a sport sedan, a sporty coupe and a convertible. The Camaro and GTO badges could be used on those vehicles, according to company sources.

Across town, Chrysler is said to be preparing a concept Dodge Challenger for the '06 Detroit show, to test the market for a proposed two-door performance car it wants to introduce around 2008-2009 as a potential competitor to the Ford Mustang.

What this means to you: Guess it was just a matter of time and environmental awareness ? the original definition of muscle cars doesn't fit well with new perceptions of what's best for the world...could there be a "green" muscle car in our future?
 
09 will make it able to take the impule of the challenger. and its gunna be Mopar vs Ford vs. GM again in the muscle cars.
 
Originally posted by: nourdmrolNMT1
09 will make it able to take the impule of the challenger. and its gunna be Mopar vs Ford vs. GM again in the muscle cars.

:beer: let the games begin
 
hopefully the '09 debut is not set in stone and will hopefully move up to an earlier date
 
Originally posted by: Ktulu
Originally posted by: nourdmrolNMT1
09 will make it able to take the impule of the challenger. and its gunna be Mopar vs Ford vs. GM again in the muscle cars.

:beer: let the games begin

just like the old days, Ford was first, with the Camaro and Challenger second.

but we all know the Challenger didnt last that long, then the Camaro died, and the Stang got a complete overhaul

and 2009 will be one year after school, i wonder if i could make enough money to make that my first new car purchase.
 
Originally posted by: nourdmrolNMT1
Originally posted by: Ktulu
Originally posted by: nourdmrolNMT1
09 will make it able to take the impule of the challenger. and its gunna be Mopar vs Ford vs. GM again in the muscle cars.

:beer: let the games begin

just like the old days, Ford was first, with the Camaro and Challenger second.

but we all know the Challenger didnt last that long, then the Camaro died, and the Stang got a complete overhaul

and 2009 will be one year after school, i wonder if i could make enough money to make that my first new car purchase.
What's your major?

 
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