Cheney supported higher gas prices and an import tax on oil

[etech]

Originally posted by: SuperTool
Nice to see conservatives like etech come out for price controls. So when consumers are benefitting and producers are hurting from low oil prices, well we gotta put a stop to that. But when prices are sky high and producers are benefitting and consumers are hurting, well, it's just marketplace at work. Can't have it both ways.

SuperTool,

If you had read what I actually posted you would see that US consumers could have benifited from stable slightly higher prices. Take your blinders off son.

And as ElFenix so astutely pointed out. I did not say that I agree with the entire plan. I can see benifits to it as I pointed out. I do not know the particulars enough to say that I agree with all of it. I don't believe in jumping to a preconceived partisan position as some here do.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: etech

Originally posted by: conjur
And what was Kerry's vote on that again?

Don't know, how did Kerry vote?


Did he than change his mind and flip flop all over the subject also?

Look it up for yourself:

http://www.factcheck.org/article.aspx?docID=163

i don't see cheney's protectionist fantasy on there. was kerry even in the senate then?

etech was mentioning Kerry's support of a $.50/gallon gas tax. I asked him how did Kerry vote on it.

 

[etech]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: etech

Originally posted by: conjur
And what was Kerry's vote on that again?

Don't know, how did Kerry vote?


Did he than change his mind and flip flop all over the subject also?

Look it up for yourself:

http://www.factcheck.org/article.aspx?docID=163

i don't see cheney's protectionist fantasy on there. was kerry even in the senate then?

etech was mentioning Kerry's support of a $.50/gallon gas tax. I asked him how did Kerry vote on it.

From your link
""It doesn?t reflect my $43 billion package of cuts or my support for a 50-cent increase in the gas tax," the Globe quoted Kerry as saying."

He is even flip flopping on this also apparently.

 

[heartsurgeon]

As President, Kerry would make policy.

Cheney, as Vice-president doesn't make policy, he carries out the policies of the President.

Cheney and Bush may not have similar views on things, but Bush makes the final policy calls.

Lets see what "views" Kerry's Vice-pres candidate will have. Yikes, between Kerry, and another uber-lib as Vice-pres, we'll have every wacky point of view covered.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: etech

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: etech

Originally posted by: conjur
And what was Kerry's vote on that again?

Don't know, how did Kerry vote?


Did he than change his mind and flip flop all over the subject also?

Look it up for yourself:

http://www.factcheck.org/article.aspx?docID=163

i don't see cheney's protectionist fantasy on there. was kerry even in the senate then?

etech was mentioning Kerry's support of a $.50/gallon gas tax. I asked him how did Kerry vote on it.

From your link
""It doesn?t reflect my $43 billion package of cuts or my support for a 50-cent increase in the gas tax," the Globe quoted Kerry as saying."

He is even flip flopping on this also apparently.

Keep reading and tell me how he voted. kthxbye

 

[etech]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: etech

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: etech

Originally posted by: conjur
And what was Kerry's vote on that again?

Don't know, how did Kerry vote?


Did he than change his mind and flip flop all over the subject also?

Look it up for yourself:

http://www.factcheck.org/article.aspx?docID=163

i don't see cheney's protectionist fantasy on there. was kerry even in the senate then?

etech was mentioning Kerry's support of a $.50/gallon gas tax. I asked him how did Kerry vote on it.

From your link
""It doesn?t reflect my $43 billion package of cuts or my support for a 50-cent increase in the gas tax," the Globe quoted Kerry as saying."

He is even flip flopping on this also apparently.

Keep reading and tell me how he voted. kthxbye

Apparently he was too ineffective as a Senator to even get his stated support for a gas tax into a bill.
Or he was lying when he told the Boston Globe supporter that he supported it.

Which one do you think is the case?

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

ElFenix, you are close but miss the mark. Bali, you aren't even close. I thought you might be able to figure out the differences, I guess not.
The Cheney plan was to set a floor on oil prices. That would do many things.

It would stabalize the price of oil which makes it easier for companies to plan for the cost of energy.

Dude, the industry was suffering b/c it was a protracted period of low crude prices. The problem wasn't stability (according to Cheney) it was the low price.

The oil in those low producing wells is lost forever as is the income to their families and the crews that work on them.

Dude that's poo as well since the ever rosy projections for Gulf, ANWAR, and East Coast drilling comes from alleged new technology making oil reserves more accessible. As long as Persian Gulf oil puddles to the surface it makes a lot more sense to drill it their than to go through 2000ft of ocean or 1000ft of rock in the States.

Those jobs go overseas.

They were NEVER our jobs. Most of the oil industry jobs will ALWAYS be in the Middle East and Africa . . . Mother Nature gave them the oil . . . get over it.

That also increases the US dependance on foreign oil which I believe we can all agree is not good.

Missed that boat as well . . . our increasing dependence on foreign oil comes from our high consumption. This has been issue for over 50 years and continues to plague our foreign policy b/c we make decisions solely due to our addiction to Middle East crude.

The very cheap oil of the 90's did not encourage conservation or investments in alternative energy.

Dude do you really believe Cheney proposed increased oil tariffs in order to support the development of alternative energy sources? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: etech

Originally posted by: conjur
Keep reading and tell me how he voted. kthxbye

Apparently he was too ineffective as a Senator to even get his stated support for a gas tax into a bill.
Or he was lying when he told the Boston Globe supporter that he supported it.

Which one do you think is the case?

Kerry never signed his name to the bill and never voted for it.

 

[SuperTool]

Originally posted by: etech

Originally posted by: SuperTool
Nice to see conservatives like etech come out for price controls. So when consumers are benefitting and producers are hurting from low oil prices, well we gotta put a stop to that. But when prices are sky high and producers are benefitting and consumers are hurting, well, it's just marketplace at work. Can't have it both ways.

SuperTool,

If you had read what I actually posted you would see that US consumers could have benifited from stable slightly higher prices. Take your blinders off son.

And as ElFenix so astutely pointed out. I did not say that I agree with the entire plan. I can see benifits to it as I pointed out. I do not know the particulars enough to say that I agree with all of it. I don't believe in jumping to a preconceived partisan position as some here do.

Well if there is a govt interest in stable oil prices, it should include price caps, and not just price floors. Otherwise it's like saying if you win it's a tie, but if I win, I win.

 

[etech]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: etech

Originally posted by: conjur
Keep reading and tell me how he voted. kthxbye

Apparently he was too ineffective as a Senator to even get his stated support for a gas tax into a bill.
Or he was lying when he told the Boston Globe supporter that he supported it.

Which one do you think is the case?

Kerry never signed his name to the bill and never voted for it.

But he told the reporter that he supported it. I guess that shows how Kerry supports something.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: etech

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: etech

Originally posted by: conjur
Keep reading and tell me how he voted. kthxbye

Apparently he was too ineffective as a Senator to even get his stated support for a gas tax into a bill.
Or he was lying when he told the Boston Globe supporter that he supported it.

Which one do you think is the case?

Kerry never signed his name to the bill and never voted for it.

But he told the reporter that he supported it. I guess that shows how Kerry supports something.

Guess that shows how you only see things in black and white and fail to look at things in detail and see the consequences of each action and are thus able to change one's opinion if then determining the bad outweighs the good.

 

[nutxo]

Guess that shows how you only see things in black and white and fail to look at things in detail and see the consequences of each action and are thus able to change one's opinion if then determining the bad outweighs the good.

Would that be flip flopping or nuance?

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: nutxo

Guess that shows how you only see things in black and white and fail to look at things in detail and see the consequences of each action and are thus able to change one's opinion if then determining the bad outweighs the good.

Would that be flip flopping or nuance?

Yes

CkG

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: nutxo

Guess that shows how you only see things in black and white and fail to look at things in detail and see the consequences of each action and are thus able to change one's opinion if then determining the bad outweighs the good.

Would that be flip flopping or nuance?

Neither. It's something foreign to the GOP parrots: thinking.

 

[etech]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: etech

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: etech

Originally posted by: conjur
Keep reading and tell me how he voted. kthxbye

Apparently he was too ineffective as a Senator to even get his stated support for a gas tax into a bill.
Or he was lying when he told the Boston Globe supporter that he supported it.

Which one do you think is the case?

Kerry never signed his name to the bill and never voted for it.

But he told the reporter that he supported it. I guess that shows how Kerry supports something.

Guess that shows how you only see things in black and white and fail to look at things in detail and see the consequences of each action and are thus able to change one's opinion if then determining the bad outweighs the good.

But at the time, he didn't do any of the things you try to attribute to him. He told the reporter that he supported the gas tax. According to you, he never did support it. I guees it took you a lot of thinking to come up with your answer, too bad it doesn't have anything to do with the reality of what happened.

 

[nutxo]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: nutxo

Guess that shows how you only see things in black and white and fail to look at things in detail and see the consequences of each action and are thus able to change one's opinion if then determining the bad outweighs the good.

Would that be flip flopping or nuance?

Neither. It's something foreign to the GOP parrots: thinking.

damn dude, laugh once in a while

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: nutxo

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: nutxo

Guess that shows how you only see things in black and white and fail to look at things in detail and see the consequences of each action and are thus able to change one's opinion if then determining the bad outweighs the good.

Would that be flip flopping or nuance?

Neither. It's something foreign to the GOP parrots: thinking.

damn dude, laugh once in a while

Humor is.....illogical.

 

[etech]

Seeing what you consider humor as displayed in that other thread. I'll agree, your humor is illogical.