Cheney supported higher gas prices and an import tax on oil

conjur

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http://www.nytimes.com/2004/04/06/politics/06CHEN.html

WASHINGTON, April 5 ? In October 1986, when Dick Cheney was the lone congressman from energy-rich Wyoming, he introduced legislation to create a new import tax that would have caused the price of oil, and ultimately the price of gasoline paid by drivers, to soar by billions of dollars per year.

"Let us rid ourselves of the fiction that low oil prices are somehow good for the United States," Mr. Cheney, who is now vice president, said shortly after introducing the legislation.

Oil prices had plunged to $15 from nearly $40 a barrel in the early 1980's, as Saudi Arabia flooded world markets, and Mr. Cheney argued the tax was needed to stabilize oil-state economies devastated as a result. But other lawmakers, including some Republicans, criticized the Cheney plan and similar proposals as "snake oil" that would throw 400,000 Americans out of work. They also said then, as President Bush does now, that higher taxes would stall the economy.

Renewed attention on Mr. Cheney's plan, which Democrats dusted off and talked about on the Senate floor last week, offers another wrinkle in this year's politicized debate about gas prices, which hit a record-high average of $1.76 last week for a gallon of regular. While gas prices may remain a presidential campaign issue if they do not decline, they are still well below the inflation-adjusted high of nearly $3 in March 1981.

To deflect charges that the White House has not done enough to bring down prices, the Bush campaign has attacked Senator John Kerry, the likely Democratic presidential nominee, as favoring higher gas prices. "Some people have wacky ideas like taxing gasoline more so people drive less. That's John Kerry," a recent Bush campaign commercial said. The commercial singled out Mr. Kerry's support a decade ago for a 50-cent gas tax increase, part of a deficit-reduction package that Mr. Kerry never voted for.

Yet the cost of Mr. Cheney's plan ultimately would have been passed on to drivers and other consumers through higher prices on gasoline and other refined petroleum products. In addition, he said in a February 1987 statement, he supported the tax partly because it would "assist us in reducing our budget deficit."

Under Mr. Cheney's proposal, any foreign oil bought for less than $24 per barrel would have been taxed with a fee equal to the difference between the cost of imported oil and the $24 base price. According to the federal Energy Information Administration, the cost of imported oil in the late 1980's and most of the 1990's stayed well below $24, except for a brief period following Iraq's invasion of Kuwait. In fact, oil imports cost less than $18 per barrel over much of that time, so when that was the case the Cheney plan could have led to oil taxes of $6 or more per barrel, driving up demand for domestic oil.

But the plan also included a complicated formula tying the taxes to gains in inflation and the gross national product. Senator Richard J. Durbin, Democrat of Illinois, who criticized the plan in a speech last week, said if it had been enacted when Mr. Cheney introduced it, in the years that followed it would have cost consumers $1.2 trillion.

Robert M. Simon, Democratic staff director of the Senate Energy Committee, said he used an analysis by the Congressional Research Service to calculate that the $24 price base, after adjusting for inflation, would have grown steadily to $48.24 by this year. In comparison, the price of West Texas crude oil recently peaked at $38 but has settled around $34, well above the recent lows of $11 in 1998 and $18 in 2001.

Mr. Cheney has often guided the Bush administration's energy policy, and in 2001 he headed a task force charged with increasing energy production.

"It is hard to explain," Mr. Durbin said, "how they could attack John Kerry for even considering a 50-cent gas tax, which he didn't introduce or vote for, and ignore Cheney's own legislation in 1986 which would have dramatically raised the cost of gasoline. If every vote and every statement made by John Kerry is fair game, the same thing is true of President Bush and the vice president."

A spokesman for Mr. Cheney declined to comment.

Scott Stanzel, a spokesman for the Bush-Cheney campaign, said Mr. Kerry had consistently supported higher taxes on gasoline. "President Bush and Vice President Cheney want to keep taxes low and keep the economy moving," Mr. Stanzel said. "They have proposed an energy plan that will provide for a stable, affordable and secure energy supply."

Other lawmakers from energy-producing states had offered plans similar to Mr. Cheney's proposal in the mid-1980's after seeing thousands of constituents lose jobs in the oil-sector recession. Mr. Cheney said at the time that unemployment in Wyoming was 9 percent and he argued that the low prices could permanently impair domestic oil production and leave the United States at the mercy of foreign suppliers.

But the oil-tax plans angered lawmakers from other states who said they would lead to plant closings.

Senator John Heinz of Pennsylvania, a Republican, said in February 1987 that the proposals would add $1.3 billion per year to the energy costs of Pennsylvania consumers. He also cited a study done for a federal reserve bank suggesting that a $5 per barrel fee would lead to the loss of 400,000 jobs nationwide and cause inflation to soar.

In a statement condemning the proposals to tax oil imports, Mr. Heinz said, "I want to bring this vampire into daylight now before it sneaks out of Congress and drains the lifeblood from our economic recovery."
 

gsaldivar

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I thought liberals supported import taxes because they protect local industries from competing against cheap imports?

:confused:

:beer::D

 

sMiLeYz

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Before we rush to judgement, I'd like to hear CkG's spin of this....
 

SuperTool

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More like, I actually did support raising taxes on gasoline before I bashed Kerry for doing so.
 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: SuperTool
More like, I actually did support raising taxes on gasoline before I bashed Kerry for doing so.

Alright - we'll run with that then. Next time kerry opens his mouth about Bush doing something kerry once supported and now bashes him on...I'll conveniently find this thread;) Shouldn't take too long...considering it's already happened.

CkG
 

DealMonkey

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Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Originally posted by: SuperTool
More like, I actually did support raising taxes on gasoline before I bashed Kerry for doing so.

Alright - we'll run with that then. Next time kerry opens his mouth about Bush doing something kerry once supported and now bashes him on...I'll conveniently find this thread;) Shouldn't take too long...considering it's already happened.

CkG
So Cad, are you criticizing, condemning, or complaining? Seems like all three. Fool. :p
 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Originally posted by: SuperTool
More like, I actually did support raising taxes on gasoline before I bashed Kerry for doing so.

Alright - we'll run with that then. Next time kerry opens his mouth about Bush doing something kerry once supported and now bashes him on...I'll conveniently find this thread;) Shouldn't take too long...considering it's already happened.

CkG
So Cad, are you criticizing, condemning, or complaining? Seems like all three. Fool. :p

Just playing Gaard for a moment. Sorry;)

CkG
 

SuperTool

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Well, I am just glad we don't have Dick Cheney running the country with his goofy ideas for propping up the oil prices. If we did, we would have high oil and gas prices. ;)
 

sandorski

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Makes one wonder why Cheney's Energy policies are so secretive. Maybe he has implemented his lifelong dream of high Oil prices?
 

DealMonkey

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"Let us rid ourselves of the fiction that low oil prices are somehow good for the United States," Mr. Cheney, who is now vice president, said shortly after introducing the legislation.

So low oil prices aren't good for the U.S.? And here I was thinking the opposite this whole time. Thanks Dick Cheney, thanks a lot for clearing that up.
 

etech

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"It is hard to explain," Mr. Durbin said, "how they could attack John Kerry for even considering a 50-cent gas tax, which he didn't introduce or vote for, and ignore Cheney's own legislation in 1986 which would have dramatically raised the cost of gasoline. If every vote and every statement made by John Kerry is fair game, the same thing is true of President Bush and the vice president."

It's very easy to explain if you aren't an ignorant demcrat.

I'll explain tonight if none of the democrats can come up with what the differences are.
 

conjur

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Why delay, etech? Give all of us your spin now, even those who aren't "ignorant democrats", like myself.
 

etech

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Originally posted by: conjur
Why delay, etech? Give all of us your spin now, even those who aren't "ignorant democrats", like myself.

Have to get to work soon and don't have time to explain it all right now. Plus, I want to see if you can see the differences or not. Just how ignorant are you?

 

BaliBabyDoc

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It's very easy to explain if you aren't an ignorant demcrat.

Dick Cheney is a great American patriot. He served his country with distinction in Vietnam. He was a great humanitarian in the House where he condemned despotic regimes like apartheid-South Africa. He NEVER proposed or voted for taxes or tariffs. As Secretary of Defense he ALWAYS favored the most economical solution as opposed to cohorts that proposed expensive privatization schemes. Once he returned to the private sector, he was an unparalleled captain of industry. And upon his return to the public sector, he upheld the great tenets of full disclosure and fiscal frugality.
 

ElFenix

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to prop up the domestic oil industry, duh! i bet people from texas were all over this too. almost all congressmen want tariff protection for their pet industry. jesus christ you'd think some people could figure things out
 

etech

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ElFenix, you are close but miss the mark. Bali, you aren't even close. I thought you might be able to figure out the differences, I guess not.

The Cheney plan was to set a floor on oil prices. That would do many things.

It would stabalize the price of oil which makes it easier for companies to plan for the cost of energy. Wild price swings are very disruptive to the economy as a whole. It would keep US domestic production higher. When oil goes under a certain price it becomes uneconomical for many of the smallest domestic stripper wells to opereate. If they don't keep pumping they have to be shut in. The oil in those low producing wells is lost forever as is the income to their families and the crews that work on them. Those jobs go overseas. That also increases the US dependance on foreign oil which I believe we can all agree is not good. The very cheap oil of the 90's did not encourage conservation or investments in alternative energy. A The 90's was a decade of economic growth due to the information revolution amoung other things. That would have been a good time to make the move to alternative sources as the funds to develope them were available. Now with the end of the boom it will be much more difficult.

Now contrast that to Kerry's speculating on just raising the tax on gasoline. It would do nothign to keep domestic production alive. It wouldn't have the floor effect so the incentive to move to alternative energy would not be as great. It wouldn't keep jobs in the US. It would not help the states tax base. Basically it would just funnel money to Washington without any other benifits.

Conjur, if you couldn't see those differences than I put you in the right pile.
 

etech

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Originally posted by: conjur
And what was Kerry's vote on that again?

Don't know, how did Kerry vote?


Did he than change his mind and flip flop all over the subject also?



 

SuperTool

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Nice to see conservatives like etech come out for price controls. So when consumers are benefitting and producers are hurting from low oil prices, well we gotta put a stop to that. But when prices are sky high and producers are benefitting and consumers are hurting, well, it's just marketplace at work. Can't have it both ways.
 

ElFenix

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Originally posted by: etechElFenix, you are close but miss the mark.

bah, that is what i get for not reading the whole article

Nice to see conservatives like etech come out for price controls.
i read etech's response several times and didn't see agreement with the plan in there. perhaps you would like to point it out, since evidently you've found it.
 

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