Cheney Still being paid by Halliburton.

[Zebo]

Link

 

[UltraQuiet]

So what?

He took deferred payments instead of lump sum. Smart move considering taxes just got lowered.

 

[LunarRay]

Carb,
The law should apply to all equally. I don't see a one sided use here. Deferred Compensation does not a conflict of interest make. I wish it was a no no so it could be fodder but, I think it is ok.

 

[Zebo]

Halliburton is the company got exclusive rights on the oil contracts that's so what. Conflict of intrest that's so what. Grifting the tax payer for more than an open bid would have been that's so what.

 

[sMiLeYz]

Originally posted by: Carbonyl
Halliburton is the company got exclusive rights on the oil contracts that's so what. Conflict of intrest that's so what. Grifting the tax payer for more than an open bid would have been that's so what.

We're talking about the Bush crime cartel here... do the conservative thing and look the other way.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: HJD1
Carb,
The law should apply to all equally. I don't see a one sided use here. Deferred Compensation does not a conflict of interest make. I wish it was a no no so it could be fodder but, I think it is ok.

OK lemme get this straight.

1. The company halliburton which Dick cheney, the VP, was the former CEO of get exclusive oil contracts in Iraq.
2. Halliburton is also one of the presidents and VPs largest supporters financially
3. Cheney is still being paid by them
4. The president says no open bidding for these Iraqi contracts and only considers Halliburton

And you say no conflict of intrest?

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Afraid there is no conflict here, because he is getting paid for past services. He gets the same if Halliburton makes a trillion or goes under. The problem starts after he gets out, and is rewarded for his efforts.

 

[mastertech01]

It clearly says the compensation was already due him, not something earned during his tenure as VP. It says he gains nothing by the success of Halliburton and that SOME people are just wanting to sling snot because he is a member of the Bush Administration...

By the appearance of this thread I think that rings pretty much right on target.

 

[Insane3D]

While it may not be a direct conflict of interest, the appearance is certainly there. I think the whole thing could have been avoided if they had just gone the normal route and let companies bid on the contracts. They opened themselves up for this sort of thing by forgoing the bidding process IMO.

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: Carbonyl

Originally posted by: HJD1
Carb,
The law should apply to all equally. I don't see a one sided use here. Deferred Compensation does not a conflict of interest make. I wish it was a no no so it could be fodder but, I think it is ok.

OK lemme get this straight.

1. The company halliburton which Dick cheney, the VP, was the former CEO of get exclusive oil contracts in Iraq.
2. Halliburton is also one of the presidents and VPs largest supporters financially
3. Cheney is still being paid by them
4. The president says no open bidding for these Iraqi contracts and only considers Halliburton

And you say no conflict of intrest?

If in 1. Cheney used some inappropriate influence then it would be criminal... no issue yet.
If in 2. It was a quid pro quo then it would be criminal.... no issue yet.
If in 3. It was not deferred but, for current or future benefits it may be deemed a conflict.
If in 4. The prez can't defend the issue it could give rise to hearings of quid pro quo conflicts and criminal. He ain't that stupid. I think he is on solid ground but, it does give rise to set up a smoke detector near by.

 

[mastertech01]

Originally posted by: Insane3D
While it may not be a direct conflict of interest, the appearance is certainly there. I think the whole thing could have been avoided if they had just gone the normal route and let companies bid on the contracts. They opened themselves up for this sort of thing by forgoing the bidding process IMO.

Perhaps, but would it have been better to let those fires burn another month or two waiting on the bids? Halliburton was already on the ground and ready to work on them. Whom else was there and qualified and proven?

 

[Insane3D]

I might buy that argument, but the contractd awarded without a bidding process went way beyond the oil fires. They could have simply done something along the lines of an emergency contract, for the oil fire situation only, then opened the bidding process for the rest of the things that needed to be adressed. Also, there were very few oil fires in this war, nothing like in Gulf War 1.

One more thing, maybe they could have started the bidding process before we attacked Iraq.

 

[mastertech01]

Indeed, NEWSWEEK learned last week that Halliburton is not a finalist for a $600 million reconstruction contract in Iraq.

Grafted from the linked article. It doesnt appear they got nearly as much as implied, although I admit I havent seen the contracts or know the entirety of thier benefit to Halliburton.

 

[Siddhartha]

Oh, oh time for another senate investigation. Wait a minute, Cheney isn't a Democrat so it is okay.

 

[dpm]

Originally posted by: Insane3D
I might buy that argument, but the contractd awarded without a bidding process went way beyond the oil fires. They could have simply done something along the lines of an emergency contract, for the oil fire situation only, then opened the bidding process for the rest of the things that needed to be adressed. Also, there were very few oil fires in this war, nothing like in Gulf War 1. One more thing, maybe they could have started the bidding process before we attacked Iraq.

Very good point. After all, we'd been planning the war for months if not years, and surely no one could overlook the possibility of oil fires (not that there were that many.)

It can only seem that this was not the right choice for the administration politically. Perhaps they felt that planning such things too openly would merely provide fodder to those who claimed that they were going to have a war no matter what.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: HJD1

Originally posted by: Carbonyl

Originally posted by: HJD1
Carb,
The law should apply to all equally. I don't see a one sided use here. Deferred Compensation does not a conflict of interest make. I wish it was a no no so it could be fodder but, I think it is ok.

OK lemme get this straight.

1. The company halliburton which Dick cheney, the VP, was the former CEO of get exclusive oil contracts in Iraq.
2. Halliburton is also one of the presidents and VPs largest supporters financially
3. Cheney is still being paid by them
4. The president says no open bidding for these Iraqi contracts and only considers Halliburton

And you say no conflict of intrest?

If in 1. Cheney used some inappropriate influence then it would be criminal... no issue yet.
If in 2. It was a quid pro quo then it would be criminal.... no issue yet.
If in 3. It was not deferred but, for current or future benefits it may be deemed a conflict.
If in 4. The prez can't defend the issue it could give rise to hearings of quid pro quo conflicts and criminal. He ain't that stupid. I think he is on solid ground but, it does give rise to set up a smoke detector near by.

Wheww You're a weasely little sucker arn't ya JK sorta


If Absolute undeniable video taped and noterized proof is what you're looking for you'll never find it. What you do find is similar burden which was placed on Clinton for such things as Vince Foster, Whitewater, etc "consiracys"

 

[Napalm]

If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck it is a duck.

Cheney and the rest of the administration are so crooked it ain't funny. 10 years from now this gang will be exposed for what they are - crooks. For those of you who still support them - you deserve each other...

Napalm

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: Carbonyl

Originally posted by: HJD1

Originally posted by: Carbonyl

Originally posted by: HJD1
Carb,
The law should apply to all equally. I don't see a one sided use here. Deferred Compensation does not a conflict of interest make. I wish it was a no no so it could be fodder but, I think it is ok.

OK lemme get this straight.

1. The company halliburton which Dick cheney, the VP, was the former CEO of get exclusive oil contracts in Iraq.
2. Halliburton is also one of the presidents and VPs largest supporters financially
3. Cheney is still being paid by them
4. The president says no open bidding for these Iraqi contracts and only considers Halliburton

And you say no conflict of intrest?

If in 1. Cheney used some inappropriate influence then it would be criminal... no issue yet.
If in 2. It was a quid pro quo then it would be criminal.... no issue yet.
If in 3. It was not deferred but, for current or future benefits it may be deemed a conflict.
If in 4. The prez can't defend the issue it could give rise to hearings of quid pro quo conflicts and criminal. He ain't that stupid. I think he is on solid ground but, it does give rise to set up a smoke detector near by.

Wheww You're a weasely little sucker arn't ya JK sorta


If Absolute undeniable video taped and noterized proof is what you're looking for you'll never find it. What you do find is similar burden which was placed on Clinton for such things as Vince Foster, Whitewater, etc "consiracys"

Wait watch this one...

Do you remember the story of the boy who cried wolf?

What I sniff here is that this was done to rile the democrat into a witch hunt for the fire which won't exist and deflect the issue away from the issues where they are more vunerable... like the WMD issue. They the Republicans play chess well and I see their moves as clever but, they weaken the entire right side of their defense by allowing the dems to simply allude to the issues you present while they tear into the meat of the issue... the invasion and the economy. If done correctly the dems can attack on many fronts and the repub's will be on the defense and not be in good stead to attack back... my strategy is to go along until later in the election year... maybe may or june of next year.... shhhhh not to warn them...

 

[Moonbeam]

Ultra Quiet: He took deferred payments instead of lump sum. Smart move considering taxes just got lowered.
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Who cast the deciding vote?

 

[UltraQuiet]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Ultra Quiet: He took deferred payments instead of lump sum. Smart move considering taxes just got lowered.
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Who cast the deciding vote?

His vote was one of 51. Not counting the House. People are trying to turn this into something it's not.

 

[Moonbeam]

His vote was one of 51. Hehe, talk about turning something into what it's not. His was the last and tie breaking vote. How much do you think he made on that one financially? How big a tax cut did he deal himself?

 

[BDawg]

Cheney and Halliburton have a long history. While Defense secretary in the first Bush administration, Cheney awarded KBR the Army?s first private contract to manage troop tent cities. During the Clinton years Halliburton lost that contract after KBR came under fire for allegedly overcharging the government. But after Cheney was elected, KBR was again awarded that Army contract and has rung up $1.15 billion so far on the 10-year deal. The Army says it chose KBR for the fires because it was in Kuwait and could work fast. For Cheney, the political flames may just be getting started.

 

[UltraQuiet]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
His vote was one of 51. Hehe, talk about turning something into what it's not. His was the last and tie breaking vote. How much do you think he made on that one financially? How big a tax cut did he deal himself?

Not nearly as much as some others who voted for it.

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
His vote was one of 51. Hehe, talk about turning something into what it's not. His was the last and tie breaking vote. How much do you think he made on that one financially? How big a tax cut did he deal himself?

Cheney nets an extra $107,000 per year.

This is according to an article I read a few weeks ago. It may have changed due to last-minute changes in the tax cut.

 

[Moonbeam]

Thanks, Bowfinger.
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Not nearly as much as some others who voted for it.
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Nothing like facing the issue head on. You should get paid for your spin, you're talent?s going to waste.