Cheney *Secret* Energy Task Force Iraqi Oil Suitors Maps pre-invasion

[William Gaatjes]

It should serve as a massive detaining of all involved in the false information campaign.

At least Blair had to leave the arena after a bit of disclosure and i'm sure there will be more to come once certain people who have more information gets out of a position where they would be guilty of treason for making it known.

Some MI6 guy i used to know was found in a bag the other day, no one involved in any of it is really free to talk, not even via external sources.

The US and the UK fucked Iraq, that is the truth, and we did it for no good reason, no reason but because of invented fear and you boys love your fear politics.

"Do you want the next sign to be a mushroom cloud over NY"?

Seriously, "we know where they are, they are to the east, west, south and north, they have atomic weapons, chemical weapons and biological weapens and they have the means to deliver it via UAV's"

Those UAV's were shown in pictures, argued to be real UAVS and they were balsa planes held together with duct tape, R/C planes, people argued that they were big enough to deliver a bomb...

How the fuck do you steer an R/C balsa plane wo the US?

It was so ridiculous that Powell eventually resigned in shame for even having gone along with it in the first place.

Do you not think it was done for the Saudi's and friends ? I mean these people have been pumping billions of dollars into the US for the last 3,5 decades. That is why i think they received the special treatment just after the 9/11 attack as well. The attack of Saddam on Kuwait in the 1990's. The burning oil fields after leaving. The Bush family being personal advisers for investment groups like Carlyle where the Saudi's are big investors. Bandar bin Sultan is a Saudi ambassador closely connected with the Bush family for decades.The Bush family together with Cheney, Wolfowitz and Rumsfeld cooking up the lies about Iraq. George Bush jr being the hand puppet of the plans of George Bush sr. It seems that George Bush sr still receives CIA intel rapports. I mean the Saudi's will now have Iraq. Iran will have to give in. If not, again the US will attack or Israel. Makes sense, the Russian delivered the atomic fuel for the nuclear reactor. I wonder if pretty soon some deal will be made with the Russians. That did already happen. There was a new nuclear treaty. There is a new agreement where the US can fly in Russian Airspace to get to Afghanistan (Which borders Iran). And the Russians are now working more and more together with the US against Iran with nuclear sanctions. As such the path is layed out. It will happen i am afraid, the question is how worse and who will start.

 

[Darwin333]

NO, it was sold on 9/11 and how they were part of ther terrorists, that was the selling point, see you have to make fear become apparent before you say they have weapons, you have to spread the fear and yeah, you shivered in your socks.

Then, after selling the thought that they were determined to attack the US, something they were not, then you had to show they had the means.

Made up bullsheit, no proof ever presented, none what so ever and 85+ percent believed they had what no one ever mentioned they had... fearful little twats...

Then the classic extremist fear propaganda, NOW or they will attack, the attack can come TOMORROW do we want the next sign to be a MUSHROOM CLOUD, they have the bombs and the means to deliver them, we know they have the weapons to hurt us. We know where they are, to the east west south and north.

Those are actual statements from actual politicians in the US at the time.

They fucked you right up the arse, made you the laughing stock of the world and made your troops die en masse for nothing at all... THEY did that, not the Muslims...

And you really don't give a fuck about that, but the Muslims should pay even if they have nothing to do with it...

You are pathetic.

It might have been sold on the "fear" idea but honestly I don't think thats why most Americans that supported it did. I have never in my life met a single person that gave Saddam or Iraq even a passing thought much less thought of him/them as an actual threat. Never in my life have I heard any normal person (not a politician) say they were concerned Saddam could use WMDs against us. I did hear a few saying he used them against his own people but lets be honest here, we (and I include your country in the "we") usually don't give a fuck when a nation kills its own people. If you start killing other people we might (and thats a big might) eventually give a fuck but even then it is usually half hearted until it threatens something we actually care for.

Personally, I think that the majority of Americans who supported the Iraq war did so because they were pissed the fuck off and wanted to blow the everloving shit out of someone. Afghanistan was kinda "blah" on that front for us. Like it or not, we are a relatively violent people. We usually keep it pent up for quite a while but when the pressure cooker blows someone is getting fucked up. In my opinion, that is what happened. We wanted revenge and we didn't really care where we got it from. All the politicians had to do was dress up Iraq to be the "bad guys" and we jumped on board because SOMEONE had to fucking pay NOW. I would wager that is why the "ass kicking" part of the war was basically televised live, the whole "shock and awe" thing (you gotta admit, we are really really good at blowing shit up). Unfortunately, they didn't know the logistics or the reality of the situation. We did the asskicking part with ease and relatively minimal losses, if that would have been it (which most short sighted Americans thought it would be) we wouldn't have cared again.

I guess its really an argument over semantics though, at the end of the day the public still got use. IMO, we went into Iraq to build military bases so we could exert more power over the region. A region that happens to control our economy so its not a far fetched idea that we would want more control and ability in one of the few places in the world we have relatively little existing influence. Anyone who thinks we will pull ALL of our .mil out in the next few decades is smoking something. We still have bases in Germany and Japan FFS.

The above are simply my own observations, I could be completely wrong. Just giving some insight to what I saw and heard in my neck of the woods.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Sure, but still the US and UK do not make up the West, a lot more Western countries opposed.
And if you take Bush and his cronies out of the equation there would of been no Iraq War.

I just find it funny that when posters here have to say something bad they always phrase it as the West.. if its a Western effort that did something good, they forget that and it's USA USA

If it comes to people, 87% of the UK population opposed it but we didn't have an election around that time so...

I'd like to see them lifted off into the sky by helium balloons tied to their necks, the lot of them, including twat2 or whatever he's called.

Saddest part is that you are right, it was the US leadership that made the UK leadership make up shit and lick their boots...

ll in all, it was a team effort i think, without those documents from the MI6 it couldn't have been falsified into an equal report and congress would never have been ok with it.

It's almost enough for me to wish there IS a hell, even though i'd be going there too it would be more than worth it if those fucked up sociopaths were condemned forever.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

It might have been sold on the "fear" idea but honestly I don't think thats why most Americans that supported it did. I have never in my life met a single person that gave Saddam or Iraq even a passing thought much less thought of him/them as an actual threat.

Since the rest of your post is based on this, i'll just skip the rest for now, i might return to it in a later post but in all seriousness, you don't get the point.

This is a time when the government are warning about a nuclear going off in the middle of New York, a biological weapon that can infect anyone and chemical weapons a la the ones used in Japan.

YES there is a SHITLOAD of fear about a nuke, the statement were televised every single day, the fear campaign was the most MASSIVE CAMPAIGN IN US TELEVISED HISTORY!!!

There is no doubt about this... and excuse me, but disregarding all facts doesn't make you a moderate debater, it makes you a fuckning retarded debater.

Now that that's dealt with, and seriously.. can you actually make a bigger threat than a nuclear attack soon to come... i mean... come the fuck on, THAT is fear mongering if anything since the beginning of time ever has been.

 

[Darwin333]

Do you not think it was done for the Saudi's and friends ? I mean these people have been pumping billions of dollars into the US for the last 3,5 decades. That is why i think they received the special treatment just after the 9/11 attack as well. The attack of Saddam on Kuwait in the 1990's. The burning oil fields after leaving. The Bush family being personal advisers for investment groups like Carlyle where the Saudi's are big investors. Bandar bin Sultan is a Saudi ambassador closely connected with the Bush family for decades.The Bush family together with Cheney, Wolfowitz and Rumsfeld cooking up the lies about Iraq. George Bush jr being the hand puppet of the plans of George Bush sr. It seems that George Bush sr still receives CIA intel rapports. I mean the Saudi's will now have Iraq. Iran will have to give in. If not, again the US will attack or Israel. Makes sense, the Russian delivered the atomic fuel for the nuclear reactor. I wonder if pretty soon some deal will be made with the Russians. That did already happen. There was a new nuclear treaty. There is a new agreement where the US can fly in Russian Airspace to get to Afghanistan (Which borders Iran). And the Russians are now working more and more together with the US against Iran with nuclear sanctions. As such the path is layed out. It will happen i am afraid, the question is how worse and who will start.

You are looking way to deep into it.

First of all, the US has no choice but to kiss SA's ass, period. If they say jump we can either say "how high" or "we will blow you the fuck up", those are our options at this moment in time. The latter is a rather hollow threat because then we would really have to go to war to steal someones oil and I don't think we could last that long economically.

Don't get me wrong, if someone fucks with SA even the most liberal president will have every carrier battle group we have heading there at full steam but we, imo, did it to gain OUR OWN influence in the region. It had little to do with expanding SAs influence, although it did come with the benefit of us being able to better\quicker\easier fuck up someone who decided to mess with them (well, not them per-say but our oil supply, we really don't give a fuck about the actual Saudi's).

 

[William Gaatjes]

You are looking way to deep into it.

First of all, the US has no choice but to kiss SA's ass, period. If they say jump we can either say "how high" or "we will blow you the fuck up", those are our options at this moment in time. The latter is a rather hollow threat because then we would really have to go to war to steal someones oil and I don't think we could last that long economically.

Don't get me wrong, if someone fucks with SA even the most liberal president will have every carrier battle group we have heading there at full steam but we, imo, did it to gain OUR OWN influence in the region. It had little to do with expanding SAs influence, although it did come with the benefit of us being able to better\quicker\easier fuck up someone who decided to mess with them (well, not them per-say but our oil supply, we really don't give a fuck about the actual Saudi's).

Yes. The Saud'is will bring the middle east in to a modern society backed up by the entire western world. But afcourse, the western world and Israel both have to be the bad guy for a while. Only one problem, will everybody have the same point of view in Saudi Arabia for years to come...

When it comes to influence, see it more as a future market then as control.

 

[Darwin333]

Since the rest of your post is based on this, i'll just skip the rest for now, i might return to it in a later post but in all seriousness, you don't get the point.

This is a time when the government are warning about a nuclear going off in the middle of New York, a biological weapon that can infect anyone and chemical weapons a la the ones used in Japan.

YES there is a SHITLOAD of fear about a nuke, the statement were televised every single day, the fear campaign was the most MASSIVE CAMPAIGN IN US TELEVISED HISTORY!!!

There is no doubt about this... and excuse me, but disregarding all facts doesn't make you a moderate debater, it makes you a fuckning retarded debater.

Now that that's dealt with, and seriously.. can you actually make a bigger threat than a nuclear attack soon to come... i mean... come the fuck on, THAT is fear mongering if anything since the beginning of time ever has been.

Of course it is fear mongering but no one actually bought, at least not around here (I don't live in NY, maybe they felt differently) that some shithole country could or would nuke us. Period. Just because our politicians were spewing it doesn't mean we completely bought it. They spew all kinds of shit that we pretend to buy if you haven't noticed.

Again, I might be completely wrong and maybe I just missed all the people running around scared shitless that a nuke was about to fall on their heads. Maybe NY had a different attitude due to the recent attack (don't live there and don't care to visit) but the rest of us weren't building fallout shelters or anything (aside from the batshit crazy folk who were already batshit crazy).

 

[Darwin333]

Yes. The Saud'is will bring the middle east in to a modern society backed up by the entire western world. But afcourse, the western world and Israel both have to be the bad guy for a while. Only one problem, will everybody have the same point of view in Saudi Arabia for years to come...

When it comes to influence, see it more as a future market then as control.

Since when did we give a shit about them having "modern society"? We give a shit about US having a modern society and presently in order for US to have a modern society we need the Saudi's black stuff in a bad way. As far as the average American is concerned the average Saudi can be eating a fucking shitburger as long as they keep sending our go-go juice.

Matter of fact, them spreading a modern society to the ME in the near future might fuck up our interests. The more of the black stuff they need for themselves the less they can send to us.

 

[xj0hnx]

In other words, you stick your head in the sand and forget the 4500+ that have died for nothing and forget that the reasons were known false?

Son, i'm English and i lead the first team on ground in Iraq, the Task Force Black, you can say whatever the fuck you want but being a fucked up ignorant little twat doesn't make you anything but just that.

So it looks like you are part of the very thing you are pissing and moaning about, congratulations. So are you a general or something? First time I've ever even seen an officer pissing and moaning on a internet message board, interesting.

I'm willing to fight for truth, freedom and the riddance of people like you.

And apparently western interest in Iraq, lol

 

[xj0hnx]

Saddest part is that you are right, it was the US leadership that made the UK leadership make up shit and lick their boots...

Ahh, so UK leadership are spineless puppets that do what they are told, gotcha.

 

[Orignal Earl]

Ahh, so UK leadership are spineless puppets that do what they are told, gotcha.

Heh...
Tell us what you think about US leadership..Obama
ya..gotcha

 

[William Gaatjes]

Since when did we give a shit about them having "modern society"? We give a shit about US having a modern society and presently in order for US to have a modern society we need the Saudi's black stuff in a bad way. As far as the average American is concerned the average Saudi can be eating a fucking shitburger as long as they keep sending our go-go juice.

Matter of fact, them spreading a modern society to the ME in the near future might fuck up our interests. The more of the black stuff they need for themselves the less they can send to us.

The Saudi's own half your country...

 

[William Gaatjes]

Ahh, so UK leadership are spineless puppets that do what they are told, gotcha.

It does not matter, Tony Blair seemed to have a job for the very same Carlyle group for a while or at least some investment bank. As did John Major.

It is old but should give some idea :

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7094545816220336237#

 

[Darwin333]

The Saudi's own half your country...

As long as we need them they do, after that they got a bunch of paper (or digital 1's and 0's). How do they go about "collecting" if we tell them to get fucked?

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

So it looks like you are part of the very thing you are pissing and moaning about, congratulations. So are you a general or something? First time I've ever even seen an officer pissing and moaning on a internet message board, interesting.

And apparently western interest in Iraq, lol

I'm a Captain, i follow orders, i know that you sat at home shitting your panties in fear but others do what they have to do regardless of what they think on the issue.

We were ordered to NOT secure the bunkers, to leave them free for roaming so they could steal the contained chemical weapons.

Too bad they didn't work, see the US wanted to kill their own troops by letting the Iraqis use these chem munitions, but they were less harmful than teargas.

I'm kinda glad i don't belong to the armed forces of a country that wants you to die to prove a point...

Now fuck off.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Ahh, so UK leadership are spineless puppets that do what they are told, gotcha.

They most certainly were, both Blair who was supposed to get into the EU but for some reason... decided not to... and Brown who is unheard of now.

They were bootlickers of the US fuhrer at the time, they even ordered MI6 as the US ordered CIA to conceal and provide appropriate evidence, the MI6 were actually the ones who fixed the evidence so that your boys could fuck up your reichstag enough to allow an invasion.

The last one on the MI6 that was involved in that was found dead in a suitcase the other day and no politician who was involved remains in the UK, we all, ALL, recognise the huge mistake made.

Is there anything else you were wondering on this issue, twat?

 

[xj0hnx]

I'm a Captain, i follow orders, i know that you sat at home shitting your panties in fear but others do what they have to do regardless of what they think on the issue.

We were ordered to NOT secure the bunkers, to leave them free for roaming so they could steal the contained chemical weapons.

Ahh that's too bad we got to roll through Fallujah and throw grenades in bunkers

Too bad they didn't work, see the US wanted to kill their own troops by letting the Iraqis use these chem munitions, but they were less harmful than teargas.

I'm kinda glad i don't belong to the armed forces of a country that wants you to die to prove a point...

Now fuck off.

HAHA Rage more, it's funny.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Ahh that's too bad we got to roll through Fallujah and throw grenades in bunkers

Cute but no, not in the UN bunkers, they were to be supervised three weeks later, we were the first force in and there wasn't an American boot on ground for a good three weeks after we went in.

We overtook most of it but were ordered NOT to touch the UN facilities nor secure them and honestly, they were investigated three months after that and while looted there was no damage to them... what did you throw, stink grenades?

I'm sure it's funny for your dumb arse but that is mostly because you don't have a clue about any of it, i'm sure you were one of the Guidos sitting around working on your tan and never did anything while collecting big money from your government but that is not what the TFB did.

So fuck you, no, really, fuck you pretenders.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Gotta go now, sorry xjohnx some of us earn the money we are paid.

 

[Orignal Earl]

Ahh that's too bad we got to roll through Fallujah and throw grenades in bunkers

You served in Iraq?

 

[William Gaatjes]

As long as we need them they do, after that they got a bunch of paper (or digital 1's and 0's). How do they go about "collecting" if we tell them to get fucked?

Thats why you went to war for iraq for them... You already payed a large part in oil. And you are going to pay more when you want oil again. Which is going to happen since the greed and ignorance caused people to ignore protocol which caused that accident in the gulf. It is all coincidence but used well.
Besides the most powerful families in the US make the decisions. And they like the Saudi's more then their own people. It is kind of painful but it is a class thing you know. I did not make up the rules. It is just how it is, unfortunately.
You can tell the Saudi's to stay away or block the road when they visit the US, but then the police will come get you...

 

[xj0hnx]

You served in Iraq?

Naw I was just there sight seeing