Cheney Announces formation of anti-Obama group and calls president ‘dangerous’

[JManInPhoenix]

Must be guilt over Vietnam where he had more important things to attend to.

:thumbsup: With the exception of McCain (who apparently is in the early stages of dementia) none of the neo-cons have ever served in the military. I wonder if Dick Cheney or Bill Kristol would support a 3rd Iraq war if either of their grandchildren were in uniform?

 

[Greenman]

I hope they do well in their new venture. I'll be making a donation.

 

[fskimospy]

I hope they do well in their new venture. I'll be making a donation.

I'm so sorry for you that you're so easily scammed.

 

[hal2kilo]

I'm so sorry for you that you're so easily scammed.

How can you ignore that this president is purposely trying to take our country down a notch. Oh the horror!

 

[Thebobo]

The blame of Iraq falls squarely on Obama's shoulders. Critics agree, Bush's policy was right.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/obama-critics-on-iraq-violence-bush-doctrine-was-right/

Lol you funny

 

[Thebobo]

 

[Attic]

Cheney is taking himself pretty seriously these days I guess. Not sure this is recommended for such a gigantic asshole when he has that heart condition.

 

[kage69]

It's a testament to the efficacy of the right wing noise machine, and to the intellectual laziness of many Americans sadly, that many people not only still listen to this SOB, they actually take him seriously.

Our former chickenhawk-in-chief is in no position to opine to anyone on 'danger,' least of all the guy who was saddled with cleaning up his mess. Hey Cheney, you know what's dangerous? Having a war supporting 6 time draft dodger lead his country off on an elective war while telling those with war experience to eat a dick and be more American.

When Obama confuses a friend with a quail and shoots him in the face with a shotgun, then you can try to talk down to him about safety. When Obama decides to unilaterally invade another country over manipulated intel and outright lies, and hundreds of thousands of Americans pay the price for him, then you can talk down to him about danger.

Till then, just STFU. Do feel free to drown your sorrows in a platter of gourmet meats and cheeses though. I recommend egg nog to wash it all down as well.

 

[Jimzz]

It is like we are living in some alternate universe where Obama hasnt toppled Ghaddafi, hasnt tried to topple Assad, nor used drone strikes in increasing fashion to kill people, including american citizens.

The Bush doctrine was spend a trillion dollars and topple regimes. The Obama doctrine spends less money but still topples regimes. Is Cheney butthurt we havent spend 1 trillion in libya or Syria? Does he believe Obama should had disregarded the timeline signed by Bush for leaving Iraq?

Not only that but Iraq told us to GTFO as well. We tried to keep some people there and they said no.

Unless the people of Iraq stand up then us going back is a waste.

 

[kage69]

Cheney is taking himself pretty seriously these days I guess. Not sure this is recommended for such a gigantic asshole when he has that heart condition.

How many surgeries has it been? That's not his original heart is it? I seem to recall him going to the front of some organ recipient list not too long ago, not sure it was for a heart though.
I heard he had to have another asshole too. The previous asshole rejected him after the 2000-2004 term. I guess there are some things even sphincters can't tolerate to be around.

 

[feralkid]

It's like Chuck Todd said, based on polling the people have decided that Obama's Presidency is over. His pen is writing with invisible ink and his phone needs charging.

http://freebeacon.com/politics/chuck-todd-wsjnbc-poll-disaster-for-the-president/

It sure looks that way from inside your bubble.

 

[Jaskalas]

Cheney...VP to an admin so bad that the American people ran to a complete incompetent named Obama.

 

[kage69]

Cheney...VP to an admin so bad that the American people ran to a complete incompetent named Obama.

...and yet that "incompetent" got Osama bin Laden, got health coverage for millions of Americans who didn't have it before, slashed the deficit in half since inheriting the biggest economic clusterfuck since the 1930s, didn't ignore a warning of a determined impending attack on US soil that was put in his hands, and didn't go off to a ballgame when a hurricane ravaged a major US city and racked up a body count. With unprecedented hostility and belligerence from the GOP and it's noise machine the whole way to boot.

If that's "incompetence," then I'm curious to hear what you think "so bad" covers. I think some are still just a little butthurt that a DC outsider got more done than an admin made up of the 'Old Guard' and a Bush. The numbers behind those resounding defeats still throb like an infected tooth in the GOP's mouth. And every time a pariah like Cheney opens his big blubbering wise and beautiful woman of a mouth to comment like this, America is reminded that things could be a hell of lot worse than they are now.

 

[hal2kilo]

That's a keeper.

 

[thraashman]

I hope they do well in their new venture. I'll be making a donation.

I'm going to be making a donation too. Of course by "donation" I mean I'm going to mail them my next major bowel movement.

 

[Oldgamer]

The whole world would be better off now if Cheney's first heart attack took him out for good.

Nahhh.. he get's first dibs on any body part replacements, because ya know, he was a former Vice Prez and all..

 

[thraashman]

...and yet that "incompetent" got Osama bin Laden, got health coverage for millions of Americans who didn't have it before, slashed the deficit in half since inheriting the biggest economic clusterfuck since the 1930s, didn't ignore a warning of a determined impending attack on US soil that was put in his hands, and didn't go off to a ballgame when a hurricane ravaged a major US city and racked up a body count. With unprecedented hostility and belligerence from the GOP and it's noise machine the whole way to boot.

If that's "incompetence," then I'm curious to hear what you think "so bad" covers. I think some are still just a little butthurt that a DC outsider got more done than an admin made up of the 'Old Guard' and a Bush. The numbers behind those resounding defeats still throb like an infected tooth in the GOP's mouth. And every time a pariah like Cheney opens his big blubbering wise and beautiful woman of a mouth to comment like this, America is reminded that things could be a hell of lot worse than they are now.

Come, come now Obama didn't get the deficit by half. He inherited a $1.41 trillion deficit and it is now under $500 billion. He cut it by over 65%.

I think the thing Republicans are so upset about is that what might be the worst Democrat President in 50 years is better than any Republican one in that same time frame.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

...and yet that "incompetent" got Osama bin Laden, got health coverage for millions of Americans who didn't have it before, slashed the deficit in half since inheriting the biggest economic clusterfuck since the 1930s, didn't ignore a warning of a determined impending attack on US soil that was put in his hands, and didn't go off to a ballgame when a hurricane ravaged a major US city and racked up a body count. With unprecedented hostility and belligerence from the GOP and it's noise machine the whole way to boot.

If that's "incompetence," then I'm curious to hear what you think "so bad" covers. I think some are still just a little butthurt that a DC outsider got more done than an admin made up of the 'Old Guard' and a Bush. The numbers behind those resounding defeats still throb like an infected tooth in the GOP's mouth. And every time a pariah like Cheney opens his big blubbering wise and beautiful woman of a mouth to comment like this, America is reminded that things could be a hell of lot worse than they are now.

I'll give him credit for some things but I also know he's not failed in advancing Cheney's and the rest of the last administration's attack on our rights. I cannot approve of such actions and that does him in for me.

 

[Jaskalas]

...

Let's start with something simple. What experience did the President have before taking office? What leadership roles did he successfully govern before becoming President?

Not everyone is well suited for the role of leadership. Winning American idol does not make you a good commander. It makes you popular, it gives you celebrity. You can't be given leadership skills, it has to come naturally. You have to be born for it.

This is why I'd like to see a proven leader be nominated, to see governors chosen.

You doubt this President's incompetence? Check Syria's red line. He wanted to topple Assad and pave the way for whoever came next. Turns out that's ISIS. If not for Russia and Iran foiling our intentions, and backing Assad, Syria's WMDs would be in the hands of terrorists.

In No Mood for Trophies.
^ Provides a good modern feel for my stance.

From Benghazi to the IRS to the VA. To the roll-out of the Healthcare exchange. To foreign policy Libya, Syria, Russia, Iraq. To Edward Snowden and the revaluations of the NSA. This most "transparent and open" administration is far removed from its campaign promises and would probably screw up running a lemonade stand before classifying its operations and deleting it records.

Who does the President hold accountable? When does he clean house?

I contest the man is no leader, and if you listened to him speak on Iraq today you'd understand. Slow and wandering. Saying a lot but meaning little. There are better men to bear your cup and make this nation great. Perhaps we'll see some of them in 2016.

 

[Daverino]

Really? Wow, what world do you live in?

Obama has done everything from isolate russia

A good thing, because if you want to pressure a nuclear power like Russia into doing anything you need to do it by political and economic isolation. Threatening Russia with military consequences is a laughable option.

to ease trade sanctions on Iran.

Which is also a good thing. Iran is a country which does not yet have nuclear weapons and is a huge local power that shares social ties to the Iraqi Shiite community and despises the Taliban in Afghanistan as much as we do. Isolating them is a more of a goal of the Saudis and Arab countries. Military threats did not prevent North Korea from developing nukes and its unlikely to stop the Iranians.

So yeah, how has Obama made us weaker?

 

[fskimospy]

Let's start with something simple. What experience did the President have before taking office? What leadership roles did he successfully govern before becoming President?

Not everyone is well suited for the role of leadership. Winning American idol does not make you a good commander. It makes you popular, it gives you celebrity. You can't be given leadership skills, it has to come naturally. You have to be born for it.

This is why I'd like to see a proven leader be nominated, to see governors chosen.

You doubt this President's incompetence? Check Syria's red line. He wanted to topple Assad and pave the way for whoever came next. Turns out that's ISIS. If not for Russia and Iran foiling our intentions, and backing Assad, Syria's WMDs would be in the hands of terrorists.

Not really; ISIS has made gains in Syria by attacking the other opposition groups while they are busy fighting Assad. There's no particular reason to believe that without Assad to fight that they would win.

I doubt your ability to assess competence in foreign policy, however.

In No Mood for Trophies.
^ Provides a good modern feel for my stance.

From Benghazi to the IRS to the VA. To the roll-out of the Healthcare exchange. To foreign policy Libya, Syria, Russia, Iraq. To Edward Snowden and the revaluations of the NSA. This most "transparent and open" administration is far removed from its campaign promises and would probably screw up running a lemonade stand before classifying its operations and deleting it records.

Who does the President hold accountable? When does he clean house?

I contest the man is no leader, and if you listened to him speak on Iraq today you'd understand. Slow and wandering. Saying a lot but meaning little. There are better men to bear your cup and make this nation great. Perhaps we'll see some of them in 2016.

It would appear that you're looking for reasons to support a decision you already made. I would argue that the extension of health insurance to millions of Americans, a significant overhaul of finance regulation, his consistent outmaneuvering of a radicalized opposition, his restrained and overall successful foreign policy, etc, provide pretty good evidence of effective leadership.

If you think his leadership on those issues has been poor, I'd be interested to know what actions you believe should have been undertaken instead. I imagine in future years you'll look back and wonder why you didn't realize how good you had it.

 

[Daverino]

I contest the man is no leader, and if you listened to him speak on Iraq today you'd understand. Slow and wandering. Saying a lot but meaning little. There are better men to bear your cup and make this nation great. Perhaps we'll see some of them in 2016.

Got US forces out of Iraq.
Getting American forces out of Afghanistan.
Risked his presidency to kill Osama bin Laden.
Intervened in Libya as a player in a coalition and killed no Americans.
Did NOT give American weapons to the Syrians which would now be in the hands of ISIL.
Saved the auto industry.
Upgraded the US to a semi-bad health care system from the medieval one it had before (I still want single payer).
Forced the Russian hand in the Ukraine through economic means instead of worthless bluster.
Supported the rights of homosexuals in America to be treated as first class citizens.

Obama is a leader. He's just not leading American towards things you want. Your screed is kinda like calling King George III calling George Washington a terrible leader.

 

[BUnit1701]

Got US forces out of Iraq.
Getting American forces out of Afghanistan.
Risked his presidency to kill Osama bin Laden.
Intervened in Libya as a player in a coalition and killed no Americans.
Did NOT give American weapons to the Syrians which would now be in the hands of ISIL.
Saved the auto industry.
Upgraded the US to a semi-bad health care system from the medieval one it had before (I still want single payer).
Forced the Russian hand in the Ukraine through economic means instead of worthless bluster.
Supported the rights of homosexuals in America to be treated as first class citizens.

Obama is a leader. He's just not leading American towards things you want. Your screed is kinda like calling King George III calling George Washington a terrible leader.

I love how you guys get to have it both ways. Obozo ended the war in Iraq, but now that its clearly shown the war isn't over, its Bush's fault for starting it, not Obama's for 'ending' it before it was over.

 

[fskimospy]

I love how you guys get to have it both ways. Obozo ended the war in Iraq, but now that its clearly shown the war isn't over, its Bush's fault for starting it, not Obama's for 'ending' it before it was over.

It is Bush's fault for starting it. That's an incontrovertible fact.

Both Bush and Obama get credit in some ways for ending it. It's odd for you to attempt to blame Obama for abiding by the treaty that Bush signed.

 

[Daverino]

I love how you guys get to have it both ways. Obozo ended the war in Iraq, but now that its clearly shown the war isn't over, its Bush's fault for starting it, not Obama's for 'ending' it before it was over.

It's NOT OUR FUCKING WAR. Can't you get that through your thick skull? These people have wanted to kill each other for years, no different from the Tutsis and the Hutus in Rwanda or the Bosnians, Serbs, Croats and Slovenes in Yugoslavia.

We needed to stay the fuck out in the first place. There was never a possible good outcome from our intervention. The best case scenario when Obama got into office was to minimize the amount of American blood and money spent on Iraq. He was not going to recover any sunk cost by keeping our troops there, especially when we could not even get the government to ensure their legal rights.