Chemistry teacher busted, possibly for teaching chemistry

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tcsenter

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http://crimevoice.com/merced-teacher-got-kids-high-kept-explosives-say-police-5828/

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- police allege chemistry teacher provided chloroform to three students to inhale and "get high"
- police found 4 mL (milliliters) of nitroglycerin in the chemistry class storage room

Now I do NOT know what this teacher was doing, nor am I claiming to know, but I do know that police and prosecutors sometimes have a penchant for overstating or exaggerating circumstances or blowing things out of proportion.

Lots of giants in chemistry, engineering, physics, and other sciences developed an early interest or fascination with science by cooking up things that were cool and neat, albeit potentially toxic or dangerous (let's face it, that's the attraction for young minds). e.g. Gordon Moore, co-founder of Intel, was making nitroglycerin and dynamite at 13 years of age, among many other notable scientists who described their early science careers by making their own black powder, fireworks, and other goodies (often in their own back yard or basement).

It is entirely possible that this teacher was just trying to promote an interest in chemistry/science via the "old school" way. Not long ago (circa 1960s), it was absolutely commonplace for high school chemistry teachers to "immerse" students in all the properties and characteristics of chemistry. e.g. if a substance had a foul, pungent odor that could result in a nauseated feeling, or produce a metallic taste in the mouth, they would give the students a whiff of it so that they could experience this property. Just like many police agencies and the military still expose students or cadets to tear gas or pepper spray and let them experience the effect, property, or characteristic.

In the 1960s, it was commonplace for many high school chemistry classes (and especially college) to experiment with black powder, rocket propellants, nitroglycerin, and other cool stuff. But then the age of "We must protect at all costs someone's dumb kid who can't follow directions" came and a 400+ year tradition of amateur chemistry and experimentation came to an abrupt end. My own high school chemistry instructor recounted how utterly common it was, until one incident many years prior.

They were mixing their own black powder, a small amount that wasn't "dangerous" if accidentally ignited but could still produce minor burns. The teacher was walking around monitoring each student and was shocked to see "Someone's Dumb Kid Who Can't Follow Directions" crushing and grinding the black powder, instead of gently stirring it as the class had been repeatedly instructed. Before he could physically rip the student away from the desk, the mixture ignited, flared up and gave the kid some minor second degree burns, which fully healed in just a matter of weeks. Parents sued (of course) and that was the end of making black powder, rocket propellant, and anything else that *might* be hazardous.
 

Joseph F

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You have to wonder what kind of a future we will have when such dumbfuck kids are running the country. :(
 

Mr. Pedantic

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Not really sure why inhaling chloroform is essential to understanding chemistry, to be honest. The only purpose that becomes apparent upon inhaling chloroform is its anaesthetic properties; and it's not used as an anaesthetic now for a reason. Maybe said chemistry teacher should have researched its toxicity.

I'm not saying that 'practicals' or demonstrations are a bad idea. One of our chemistry teachers had a habit of drenching a benchtop with ethanol and burning it. Another liked combusting iron filings in pure oxygen. Yet another liked getting us to smell aqueous butanoic acid. I would propose that all these demonstrations had a more useful purpose than getting a student to inhale chloroform.

Of course, she could have been getting them to inhale for another reason.

Also, I have no idea why someone would need or want nitroglycerol in a high school chemistry lab.
 

tcsenter

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Not really sure why inhaling chloroform is essential to understanding chemistry, to be honest. The only purpose that becomes apparent upon inhaling chloroform is its anaesthetic properties; and it's not used as an anaesthetic now for a reason. Maybe said chemistry teacher should have researched its toxicity.
Well again, I'm not certain one way or another that this teacher had malicious intent. Chloroform is moderately harmless in very low concentrations as long as exposure is short-term. Nitroglycerin used to be a staple of all good chemistry courses. I've dipped gun cotton in nitroglycerin and smacked it with a hammer. Fun stuff.

Maybe its not "absolutely essential" but then is anything absolutely essential to a chemistry course now-a-days? Can't we just tell students what would happen or show them a video for everything and tell them to trust us?

Our chem teacher used to have an awesome demonstration where he would fill a duct-tape reinforced 2 liter soda bottle with two parts hydrogen and one part oxygen gas. Then he would coax a volunteer to come up to the front, uncap the bottle and slowly advance the bottle end to an open flame. Those of you with some chem knowledge know the result - a THUNDEROUS boom that made everyone jump about three inches, and made the volunteer nearly crap themselves.

Neat stuff, the same thing that happens every time the space shuttle is launched (the space shuttle main engines are fueled by liquid hydrogen and oxygen). Even the most lazy and disengaged student was now excited about coming to class for the next week to learn more about this thing called chemistry. Of course, you could just tell a student what would happen, couldn't you? But would it still have the same impact??
 
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Not really sure why inhaling chloroform is essential to understanding chemistry, to be honest. The only purpose that becomes apparent upon inhaling chloroform is its anaesthetic properties; and it's not used as an anaesthetic now for a reason. Maybe said chemistry teacher should have researched its toxicity.

I'm not saying that 'practicals' or demonstrations are a bad idea. One of our chemistry teachers had a habit of drenching a benchtop with ethanol and burning it. Another liked combusting iron filings in pure oxygen. Yet another liked getting us to smell aqueous butanoic acid. I would propose that all these demonstrations had a more useful purpose than getting a student to inhale chloroform.

Of course, she could have been getting them to inhale for another reason.

Also, I have no idea why someone would need or want nitroglycerol in a high school chemistry lab.

Yeah, I don't really see the purpose of such chemicals or letting students have access to them. Sure, my own high school chemistry lab had some dangerous chemicals (locked away in a safe :awe:) but that was mainly the reactive stuff, like sodium and the teacher was the one that gave us those demonstrations. But we had plenty of interesting experiments and reactions to study already in class and afterwards too.
 

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I heard that in California this was standard in high schools about 6-7 years ago. It caused a severe decrease in mental capacity and capability, and most of the students turned out to be functionally retarded. Those former students are now around 24 years old and unable to cope with life in general.
I don't like to nick pick the educational system, but this needs to be nicked in the bud.
 

Born2bwire

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I heard that in California this was standard in high schools about 6-7 years ago. It caused a severe decrease in mental capacity and capability, and most of the students turned out to be functionally retarded. Those former students are now around 24 years old and unable to cope with life in general.
I don't like to nick pick the educational system, but this needs to be nicked in the bud.

/golf clap
 

guyver01

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I heard that in California this was standard in high schools about 6-7 years ago. It caused a severe decrease in mental capacity and capability, and most of the students turned out to be functionally retarded. Those former students are now around 24 years old and unable to cope with life in general.
I don't like to nick pick the educational system, but this needs to be nicked in the bud.

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Zebo

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Jesus Christ everything is covered in OP, nanny state authoritarians out of control.
 

Mr. Pedantic

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Maybe its not "absolutely essential" but then is anything absolutely essential to a chemistry course now-a-days? Can't we just tell students what would happen or show them a video for everything and tell them to trust us?
Perhaps 'absolutely essential' is a poor choice of words.

Jesus Christ everything is covered in OP, nanny state authoritarians out of control.
You really think it's okay for an untrained person ignorant of the risks to administer an anaesthetic agent with known pro-arrhythmogenic and carcinogenic effects, that is currently deprecated because of its side effects, to secondary school students? Bear in mind this drug is regulated by the FDA and restricted because of its inherent toxicity and whose maximum allowed concentration is far below that required for anaesthetic effect.
 

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Kind of split on this one. When I started reading I expected the story to be about a teacher giving the stuff to kids so she could do naughty things to them.... The actual story seems much more ... normal. I don't see why she'd be arrested for this, I don't see the issue.
 

tcsenter

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Kind of split on this one. When I started reading I expected the story to be about a teacher giving the stuff to kids so she could do naughty things to them.... The actual story seems much more ... normal.
Yeah, I mean if it comes to light that she was trying to boink the students while they were intoxicated on chloroform, then send her ass to prison. But I'm kind of interested in the fact that nothing of this sort has come to light. And if not, then what was she thinking?

Should we sentence misguided albeit well-meaning teachers to lengthy prison terms who are just trying to get kids excited about chemistry or science using a little riskier approach that used to be "common" not so long ago??

I don't know what was going on in that school, but I'm also not entirely trusting the police "version" of the story.
 
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