chemical in Colgate Total causes cancer and malformation

[Jimzz]

"triclosan = bad"
LOL! I bet you think vaccines are "bad" too. When did people go from claiming that it breeds superbugs to claiming that it causes cancer?!

Triclosan measurably reduces your grip strength... and stops MRSA from spreading like wildfire in gyms, hospitals, and nursing homes. I'd immerse myself if I could. When bacteria form a resistance than the antibacterial soap becomes normal soap. Whoop-de-do. We don't use it as an antibiotic just like we don't use farm animal antibiotics on humans: anything forming a resistance to triclosan would still be vulnerable to the same human antibiotics it was vulnerable to before.

When scientific studies have come out saying as much, ones the soap makers knew about but did not want the public to know about. Now that the public knows they are dropping triclosan and using something else that also works but doe snot have the side affects.

 

[Mixolydian]

Colgate is the only toothpaste I use. Haven't found anything I like better.

 

[Brainonska511]

Triclosan measurably reduces your grip strength... and stops MRSA from spreading like wildfire in gyms, hospitals, and nursing homes. I'd immerse myself if I could. When bacteria form a resistance than the antibacterial soap becomes normal soap. Whoop-de-do. We don't use it as an antibiotic just like we don't use farm animal antibiotics on humans: anything forming a resistance to triclosan would still be vulnerable to the same human antibiotics it was vulnerable to before.

That's rather ignorant of you. Drug resistance isn't a one and done for bacteria. Some mechanisms of resistance are multidrug resistance (MDR). If antibacterial soaps allow for bacteria utilizing MDR systems to flourish, then a side effect could be resistance to something we would use to treat them.

And antibiotics are not the savior they once were. With only a handful of scaffolds (basic structures and mechanisms of action) available, we need to be careful how we use antibiotics, so as not to breed additional forms of MDR organisms. Additionally, on a yearly basis, fewer and fewer antibiotics are being approved for use while MDR continues to rise.

 

[Imp]

"triclosan = bad"
LOL! I bet you think vaccines are "bad" too. When did people go from claiming that it breeds superbugs to claiming that it causes cancer?!

Jesus Christ... It's not black and white.

You can be for something and still find issues with it. I have no issue with vaccines and plan to shoot myself up with more in the future, but that doesn't meant they can't cause significant side effects in certain individuals.

Triclosan can be useful, but it appears that it can also cause harm to humans.

 

[utahraptor]

Yes it probably increases the cancer rate slightly, but most everything does. The DNA in your cells is like the hard disk drive in the old style iPod. It lasts practically forever if it is sealed in the package sitting in a safe, but there is not much fun to be had that route.

You take it out for a jog and it shakes the drive shortening its life. Brushing your teeth with cancer paste may slightly unravel the code in your gums, but it beats shit breath.

 

[Kaido]

We aren't eating the stuff. Fearmongering...

I read an interesting article about homemade toothpaste here:

http://www.keeperofthehome.org/2012...hpaste-recipe-for-tooth-remineralization.html

I'm glad I read the comments:

I am a Registered Dental Hygienist, and I have access to and read many dental related EVIDENCE based research papers and find this article grossly inaccurate. The only helpful piece of information in this article is oil pulling as it has been shown to have great benefits in clinical trials. Baking soda and salt should NOT be used as a toothpaste as it is far too abrasive and leads to increased enamel wear and gingival recession which increases your risk not only to cavities, but to root caries as well, which decay much faster and often result in the tooth having to be extracted if it has moved below the gumline. SLS is a detergent and is found in many other products around the home I don’t advocate for it as quite a few people have allergies to it, but if you’re going to speak against it you should be mentioning all the products that contain it as well if it’s in the interest of public awareness.

As for fluoride, when it was first introduced into the drinking water system caries rates decreased by 53%… that’s massive! Fluoride is toxic if taken in large amounts, but you’d have to drink about 4 litres of it. That’s why you’re not supposed to swallow toothpaste and kid’s toothpaste does not contain fluoride as they don’t have as much bodily control. Furthermore most big cities and many towns have a government regulated fluoride limit in their drinking water which must be kept between 0.7 and 1.2 ppm, which is even more than contained in your toothpaste which is usually around 0.02%. Fluoride helps to remineralize your teeth by drawing minerals- mainly calcium from your saliva and diet back to the tooth surface, helping to strengthen enamel and prevent sensitivity. There are oodles of trials and research supporting this!

As a dental hygienist MY ENTIRE JOB is PREVENTION!!! That’s what we do, unless you are the perfect brusher and flosser, which even I am not, and all your teeth are perfectly aligned, you will always develop a calculus buildup and no amount of brushing will ever take that off- professional care is required. Also, your insinuation that dentists will just fill any lesion is inaccurate and goes against their professional code of ethics. An incipient lesion (one that is not through the enamel, also the type that CAN be remineralized) will not be filled- this article explains nothing about this, and any cavities already having reached the underlying dentin will only get worse and by discouraging a visit to the dentist you are encouraging poor oral health which is directly linked to diabetes, cardiovascular disease, and the list goes on!

Also having a filling does NOT put you at an increased risk to more cavities… breakdown of the filling over many years combined with poor oral hygiene may lead to recurrent decay around the filling but that is in no way caused by the filling. I would expect the author of an article like this to have significantly better research skills- AND REFERENCES and to present the facts, not a one-sided personal opinion as it may have the ability to seriously affect someone’s health.

 

[CZroe]

When scientific studies have come out saying as much, ones the soap makers knew about but did not want the public to know about. Now that the public knows they are dropping triclosan and using something else that also works but doe snot have the side affects.

They are reacting to political pressure based on a bunch of idiots booked as "experts" on talk shows who don't know the difference between an antibiotic and an antibacterial and only know enough about biology to know that bacteria adapt and develop resistances.

I watched it happen. Don't think I didn't. I watched the fearmongerers take studies out of context and continue to conflate antibiotic and antibacterial. I watched as they prompted political influence and started convincing people like you that their was the more reasoned position. It's all BS.

 

[CZroe]

Jesus Christ... It's not black and white.

You can be for something and still find issues with it. I have no issue with vaccines and plan to shoot myself up with more in the future, but that doesn't meant they can't cause significant side effects in certain individuals.

Triclosan can be useful, but it appears that it can also cause harm to humans.

And I ADDED an "issue" with it (measurably decreases grip strength) while defending its use. He's the one who said "equals BAD!" as if it were that black & white.

 

[Brainonska511]

They are reacting to political pressure based on a bunch of idiots booked as "experts" on talk shows who don't know the difference between an antibiotic and an antibacterial and only know enough about biology to know that bacteria adapt and develop resistances.

I watched it happen. Don't think I didn't. I watched the fearmongerers take studies out of context and continue to conflate antibiotic and antibacterial. I watched as they prompted political influence and started convincing people like you that their was the more reasoned position. It's all BS.

So studies like this (and others I may list later), which say cross-resistance can be a real problem, are taken out of context?

Cross-Resistance between Triclosan and Antibiotics in Pseudomonas aeruginosa Is Mediated by Multidrug Efflux Pumps: Exposure of a Susceptible Mutant Strain to Triclosan Selects nfxB Mutants Overexpressing MexCD-OprJ

Triclosan is an antiseptic frequently added to items as diverse as soaps, lotions, toothpaste, and many commonly used household fabrics and plastics. Although wild-type Pseudomonas aeruginosaexpresses the triclosan target enoyl-acyl carrier protein reductase, it is triclosan resistant due to expression of the MexAB-OprM efflux system. Exposure of a susceptible Δ(mexAB-oprM) strain to triclosan selected multidrug-resistant bacteria at high frequencies. These bacteria hyperexpressed the MexCD-OprJ efflux system due to mutations in its regulatory gene, nfxB. The MICs of several drugs for these mutants were increased up to 500-fold, including the MIC of ciprofloxacin, which was increased 94-fold. Whereas the MexEF-OprN efflux system also participated in triclosan efflux, this antimicrobial was not a substrate for MexXY-OprM

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While the contribution of antibiotic exposure to development of MDR due to efflux pump expression has clearly been documented in vitro and in vivo, little is known about antiseptic resistance mechanisms (30) and their possible contribution to MDR. In this paper we present results that triclosan is a substrate for multiple P. aeruginosa efflux pumps and that it is capable of selecting not just for mutants resistant to this particular antiseptic but, perhaps more importantly, also for MDR bacteria.

 

[SP33Demon]

They are reacting to political pressure based on a bunch of idiots booked as "experts" on talk shows who don't know the difference between an antibiotic and an antibacterial and only know enough about biology to know that bacteria adapt and develop resistances.

I watched it happen. Don't think I didn't. I watched the fearmongerers take studies out of context and continue to conflate antibiotic and antibacterial. I watched as they prompted political influence and started convincing people like you that their was the more reasoned position. It's all BS.

You need to read up on the issue and how it even passed the FDA. Most of the studies it quoted were given grants by Colgate and they spent millions in lobby money with the FDA to get it through. Despite all this, they still cannot prove triclosan is safe.

 

[gotsmack]

I read an interesting article about homemade toothpaste here:

http://www.keeperofthehome.org/2012...hpaste-recipe-for-tooth-remineralization.html

I'm glad I read the comments:

That article was interesting, but here is my uneducated question. My understanding is that your body uses Calcium Fluoride to remineralize the teeth. Why are they using Sodium Fluoride in the toothpaste and tap water?