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Check this out...AMD reaches 360 degrees without heatsink..while INTEL stays at ~30

Dude, this came out like a freakin year ago. My thoughts are that everyone knows this and it's been talked about ENDLESSLY in every forum in perpetuity throughout the universe. Not exactly news to anyone.
 
It's also not valid any more. since June, AMD has mandated that all motherboard manufacturers have to includ support for the onboard thermal diode. It will now turn itself off like the P3.
 
good to hear that..since i'm ordering AMD cpu myself..so i was kindda worried...thank you for clearing it out.
 
Be careful, though, the great majority of the AMD boards out there don't have the new diode support. Make sure that you get one which supports monitoring directly from the diode.
 
77 if you're going to get bent out of shape, be sure you know what you're talking about.

I can't remember any P3 motherboards that had thermal protection.

P4's have CPU protection built into the CPU which will throttle the chip down or shut if off completely.

AMD CPU's do not have thermal protection built in. It was left to motherboard manufacturer's to take care of things. The reason why AMD mandated it was so that from a marketing standpoint, they could say their chips "supported" thermal protection.

Which solution do you think is best?
 
r0ck, just a helpful suggestion, not sure if you did it or not... but before you post, just do a quick search on the forums to see if it has been posted already.

Also, check the dates on articles, chances are, if it's over 3-5 days old, moderately interesting and comes from a well known site, it's been posted.
 
Only P4's have built in protection on the chip.

No other chip does.

Athlon XP CPUs have a thermal diode built in which some motherboards can read, rather than the in socket diode. But the CPU doesn't do anything with it.
 
tazdevl, I'm afraid that you're greatly misinformed. The Pentium 4's clock throttling to control heat emergencies in controlled in the BIOS and the temperature at which it throttles can be specified in some bioses!!!! The pentium 3 did in fact have thermal protection built in AND IT'S EVEN SHOWN IN THAT VIDEO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Furthermore ALL AMD motherboards are now required to have the thermal protection built in. There are still some old ones around but I did warn him about that didn't I. Sorry, man, but you're really misinformed here. The p3 has thermal protection. Read the article which was posted in this thread. The Athlon XP now has the same thermal protection as of June. The pentium 4 has better thermal protection in that it throttles but in either case both AMD and Intel CPUs will now survive the heatsink falling off. Just make sure that you get a new motherboard. As you said:
if you're going to get bent out of shape, be sure you know what you're talking about.
 
Athlon XP CPUs have a thermal diode built in which some motherboards can read, rather than the in socket diode. But the CPU doesn't do anything with it.
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That's correct. The Athlon XP processor's don't automatically turn themselves off. The protection is in motherboards that read directly from the CPU diode. IT'S THE SAME FOR THE P4. The reason that some people don't know that is because Intel mandates that all motherboards have this support. AMD began mandating it as of June therefore they have similar protection. Hope that helps you out.
 
LOL I stand corrected re: P3.

However, you should be aware that not all P3's had thermal protection built in. It came about in the last core before the shift to the P4.

The P4 logic is built into the chip and is controlled by the CPU, it isn't controlled by the motherboard unless the BIOS has an override function built in. Linky.

If you want to be a smart-ass and try to throw something back at someone, get your whole story straight.


Lastly get off the caps and exclamation marks.
 
LOL read the link. There are controls at both the CPU and BIOS level. If the BIOS doesn't support it, the CPU will kick in. That simple.

AMD doesn't have good thermal protection, the motherboards do. It has a diode built in which reads CPU temps a bit more effectively than an in socket thermistor. KT266A boards and below don't read the built in diode, they read the in socket thermistor. The KT333 boards read the built in diode, which is why you see folks exclaiming that their temps are way too high when they switch motherboards.
 
You edited your last post after I made my comment. After a response has been make to a comment try to make a new post rather than edit an old one.
 
You seem to be quite the intel fanboy and so am I. I have a p4 and love it. But I'm afraid you're only reading what you want from that document. It states that the pentium 4 has those features "when enabled" several times. The CPU will not have any protection on it's own. It is controlled by the BIOS
"If the BIOS doesn't support it, the CPU will kick in. That simple."
This simply isn't true. As you can see from the document that you linked it clearly states "when enabled" repeatedly.
Your blanket statement about KT333 boards is false. AMD mandated board support for all boards in June. Not all KT333 boards support monitoring from the diode.
Even the pentium 4 will not automatically turn off or throttle. This will only happen if enabled by the bios. IT IS ENABLED IN ALL BIOSES FOR P4 just like it is in all athlon boards which meet AMD's new specification. They have equal thermal protection in that each will survive a HSF failure.
 
BTW what you said about the pentium 3 not monitoring from the diode in earlier boards is not correct. The pentium 2 also monitored from its onboard diode.
here's proof.
Incorporates an on-die diode that can be used to monitor the die temperature. A thermal sensor located on the motherboard can monitor the die temperature of the Pentium II processor for thermal management purposes.
 
LOL tell you what, I need to finish a proposal for a client on the east coast, but I'll be back. There's plenty of info out there that clearly states protection is built in @ the CPU level.
 
Intel has traditionally had better thermal protection. As you can see from the link, ever intel processor has had on die monitoring since the P2. very impressive. The P4's is nice because it will throttle but that's bad for overclockers because it has the potential to degrade performance. The fact is that all AMD motherboards now HAVE to be made with thermal protection and on die reading. This means that when push comes to shove, both AMD and intel processors will survive the failure of a HSF. If you won't recognize that fact then you're a straight up plain and simple idiot.
 
I never disputed a diode, that was a waste of energy. I disputed thermal protection built into the CPU. LOL that's it... I've got to work.

If you want to be a little shithead and call people names, PM me.
 
Get my facts straight? You've made some big mistakes here too. Look at what you said of the P3. That's not even true for the p2!!!!! Heal yourself doctor.
 
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