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Cheapest O/C'ing MB for Tualatin Celeron - **UPDATED** 08/09/02

apoppin

apoppin

Lifer
I was the earliest adopter of the PowerLeap adapter/1.2Ghz Tualatin Celeron for my Abit BX-6(R.2).

Now it appears my MB is dying (spontaneous reboots) after almost 5 years of good service!

I am looking for a CHEAP MB with as many features as possible (integrated sound would be nice) that supports Tualatin O/C'ing since I will be using this system for a bit longer. It needs to work on my 250w Sparkle PS.

Suggestions?


EDITed again: See my last post - it's not my MB. 😱

But the SOYO for $40 looks like a great deal!

REedited (again) - 08/08/02 - I got the new PL adapter - it is much more o/c'ing friendly than the rriginal one - see latest post
I will get the SOYO MB tomorrow
 
Hey, I'll take that adaptor if the price is right! PM me a price!

As for an o/cing mobo for Tually Celeron, I know it's not the cheapeast, but I've found the ASUS TUSL2 works pretty well for overclocking. There are some cheaper ones, however. Look for ones with the new revision of VIA's northbridge that supports tualatin, I believe mobos based on that chipset are cheaper than i815-tualatin ones.
 
jiffylube1024, give me a couple of days to eliminate all other possibilities of rebooting problems. I have just about changed everything but the PS and/or the CPU as possible sources of rebooting. I am going to stick in an old 600E to rule out everything else but the MB as the source of spontaneous rebooting.

And I am looking for the VERY CHEAPEST Tualatin MB that O/C's OK (since I will be selling my entire system pretty soon) . . . integrated sound would be a plus but not a requirement.
 
ASUS TUSL2 is running at least $90 to over $100. 🙁

Any other inexpensive options?

EDIT:
I see the GigaByte GA-6OXT-A i815EP for $73 at Newegg. ????

What about the Abit ST6?

Help!

 
If you're willing to chance it.. I snagged a new Chaintech 6VIA5T for $26.10/shipped/insured from ebay (search: Chaintech va, he has more). There's no online manual to check for BIOS/OCing features, but if you check the Test .pdf here, page 12, line 20 shows 14 FSB speeds and makes mention of: ...."CPU Vcore select function". I'll probably receive the mobo on Monday, I'll edit this then
 
Ok whew I got the name of the chipset you want (cheapest P3 Tualatin solution): the SiS SiS633T (SDRAM support) and SiS635T (DDR support) ... I'm going to see what I can find for boards that use this chip but they are definately cheaper than i815-B boards...
 
Ok found some good ones:

(prices from newegg.com)

These use the VIA Apollo 133T chipset

SHUTTLE AV18E -$52
DFI CA64-TC -$68
ASUS TUV4X -$83 (very solid board)

SiS 630T chipset:

ASUS TUSI-M -$68



Hope this helps; it's be best I could find for ya!

Edit: oh yeah I've heard a lot of good stuff about the aforementioned Abit ST6 as well...

 
You guys are awesome! Thanks for all your suggestions.

I figure IF it my MB that is the problem (I will know tonight as I will replace my Celeron with my old PIII600E), I might as well buy a new Tualatin MB and O/C my 1.2Ghz Celeron as far as it will go . . . I'd like to wait a bit to upgrade (to a P4 or Hammer system) and a few hundred extra Mhz and higher FSB would make a difference - the current PL adapter is NOT o/c'ing friendly (and I haven't tried the wire trick).

I got a PM tonight which suggested the SOYO SY-TISU MB - Intel 815EP B chipset for $40.

Anybody know about this? Is it O/C'ing friendly? It IS my pricerange.
 
Now it appears I am embarassed again. 😱

It looks right now as though it is NOT my Abit BX MB as the cause of the crashing. I have swapped out the 1.2Ghz Celery for my old 600E. So far it is stable on the same programs the Celery crashed on - even O/C'd to 800Mhz, it's stable.

Looks like an RMA to PowerLeap, instead. Of course, I won't sell the adapter until PL addresses my problem.


I might still get the SOYO MB (anyway) since I'd like to O/C it. $40 +S&H a good deal? It already looks like Anand reviewed it favorably.
 
Anand has a review of the soyo in one of his roundups. It has bus speed adjustments from 66-255 in 1 MHz increments, and voltage adjustment in the bios in .025 volt increments. I'm not so sure if it means that you don't need to perform the vid pin mod to adjust the voltage. In playing around with it, I got my 1.2 ghz tualeron up to 1.55 ghz, but it wasn't too stable. I had the voltage at about 1.75 volts. I need an new hsf I guess. I've only had this motherboard for about a week, so I haven't had the time to really see what it can do.

One thing to mention: when you manually select the core voltage in the bios, it is about .02-.03 volts lower than the setting you choose. Just set it a notch higher than you want and it'll be fine.

Honestly, I really don't know if this board was worth the effort of upgrading at this point. It has many more options for overclocking than my old board, but without a new hsf I won't know if I can really utilize them. Initially when I overclocked, it would corrupt my installation of windows, but not overclocked, or only 10 or so mhz (not really worth it), it is very stable, and I don't have any complaints at all with it.

I guess I'm rambling.

Bottom line: it's a good motherboard.
 
apoppin - maybe it is just time to bite the bullet and take a big step forward? The BX platform was awesome, and the ease of going for the PL adapter and not having to reformat made sense to me at the time too. But now you are considering keeping the Tualitin alive by buying an i815 board and I assume reinstalling the OS.

If I were you I would RMA the troubled PL adapter and chip and get your money back. Take the money and get yourself a Northwood and an i850e or i845D mobo and you will be set for some time to come. Open up the wallet and do it right. You should be able to get a 2.0a, mobo, RAM and new PS for < ~$350. Of course if you go for a 1.6a or 1.8a it would be a bit cheaper.

Just some advice from a former BX die hard like you. Don't throw new money at old technology.

LJ
 
i heard good things about the soyo tisu 🙂

i got my gigabyte ga-6oxt for $40, pushin my 1.0a -> 1.6ghz pretty nicely 😀
 
i run a asus tusl2, with my celeron 1.0a OC'd to 1.4ghz at default cpu..

CPU is retail btw..

onza

BTW: i paid 60 shipped off ebay..

 
Originally posted by: LarryJoe
apoppin - maybe it is just time to bite the bullet and take a big step forward? The BX platform was awesome, and the ease of going for the PL adapter and not having to reformat made sense to me at the time too. But now you are considering keeping the Tualitin alive by buying an i815 board and I assume reinstalling the OS.

If I were you I would RMA the troubled PL adapter and chip and get your money back. Take the money and get yourself a Northwood and an i850e or i845D mobo and you will be set for some time to come. Open up the wallet and do it right. You should be able to get a 2.0a, mobo, RAM and new PS for < ~$350. Of course if you go for a 1.6a or 1.8a it would be a bit cheaper.

Just some advice from a former BX die hard like you. Don't throw new money at old technology.

LJ
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First of all, I can't get money back on the PL adapter/1.2Ghz CPU - just an exchange after 10 months. Secondly, the Intel CPUs are taking a big price drop next month (as well as a 10% die shrink and a new stepping). Thirdly, there are no applications I use that find 1.2Ghz a bottleneck (yet).

Spending a grand total of $40 for the SOYO board - less than half that after selling my (brand new) PL adapter) - will allow me to reach at least a 24% FSB increase and add a few extra hundred Mhz. That should hold me fine for a few more months . . . . Plus, when I (finally) sell my system, I can get more money for a 1.2Ghz (overclockable) system than a BX board/PL adapter that reads <12Mhz on startup. 🙂

Thank-you all for your thoughts and replies.
 
Well, I went ahead and ordered the SOYO MB from Inca City for $54 shipped (gotta pay CA taxes). No RMA number from PowerLeap yet (their service has always been good if slow).

Inca City has a couple of negative reviews on ResellerRating.com but one of them was the fault of the person not reading their policies . . . Vadatajs had a good experience with them.

I don't mind reinstalling my O/S. The PL adapter never allowed more than a +3% O/C (why bother?) and I am looking forward to a "cheap $50 upgrade" (actually much less, since I am selling my 'new' PL adapter). I won't mind upping the voltage +20% to try and reach at least 125FSB. This upgrade should hold me a few months - at least till the P4s drop in price, Double rate DDR or cheap RDRAM, or Hammer. Plus, I get to "tinker" with my computer again. 😀

I'll let you know when I get my SOYO MB results.

And thanks for your help!
 
Does the Soyo allow 1/4 PCI below 133 FSB? If you get to 125 FSB and only have a 1/3 PCI, that is 41.6 MHz PCI, 83 MHz AGP. The reason I like the Abit ST6 is it does have that capability. 125 FSB, 1/4 PCI = 31.25 PCI, 63 AGP. A bit under spec, but pretty close. Without a 1/3 divider below 133 FSB, your overclocking options are limited. If you still have time, I'd check to see if the Soyo can do that.
 
Originally posted by: oldfart
Does the Soyo allow 1/4 PCI below 133 FSB? If you get to 125 FSB and only have a 1/3 PCI, that is 41.6 MHz PCI, 83 MHz AGP. The reason I like the Abit ST6 is it does have that capability. 125 FSB, 1/4 PCI = 31.25 PCI, 63 AGP. A bit under spec, but pretty close. Without a 1/3 divider below 133 FSB, your overclocking options are limited. If you still have time, I'd check to see if the Soyo can do that.
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Too late, it's ordered. 😱


Anand's review indicates it has all the O/C'ing options.
Memory tweaking options were also a little more exhaustive than the other solutions. A nice feature was Soyo?s ?Maximum Performance? setting which would automatically set all of your memory timings to the most aggressive values. The Maximum Performance setting worked fine with our Crucial PC133 CAS2 SDRAM.
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I imagine it does . . . anyone?

EDIT: I am d/l'ing the 90 page manual (might as well get a 'headstart') right now . . . I'll report back after my nap. 🙂
 
I woke up but then realized I had read all 90 pages without coming to a conclusion about the PCI divider. So then, I figured I'd wait until I actually got the board (it should be in my hands by this weekend and IF I can finish my postponed taxes in time) and installed it in my computer.


BTW, I should also have the PL adapter this week (PL's RMA department even agreed to cross ship to me and is sending it UPS 2nd day Air at no charge to me - either way - AWESOME service!).


Anyway, I figure the MB really should have the PCI divider (after all it IS an O/C'ing board - and even my old Abit BX board has this - this board is 4 years newer).
 
Well, just now, UPS woke me from my second nap this week . . .

The new PL adapter is here and I do mean NEW. This one has a more low profile H/S and - most importantly - it has voltage adjustments (which my original one lacked), up to 1.825v !!!

Since I am not sending the old adapter back until Monday, I get to PLAY with o/c'ing - first with the PL adapter and 2 Celerons (I imagine the one that is 10 months newer has a better stepping) and then with my new Soyo MB (which I will pick up tomorrow at another address).

I'll keep you ***UPdated***

🙂
 
I am happy and sad all at the same time.

First of all, with the new PL adapter, I got 1.5Ghz with their default voltage setting (1.550v) - FSB 124 on my BX board. It's acting like my 1.2Ghz on steroids. I bet it'd give a 1.4Ghz Athlon a run for its money (I WON't be upgrading soon).

In contrast, my "old" 1.2Ghz Celeron couldn't go over 103FSB (1.24Ghz) on the old PL adapter. So I am happy with my "free" upgrade from PL.

Unhappiness comes from buying the Soyo MB . . . well, maybe not - it depends on how far I can push it over 1.6Ghz. But 50 bucks is 50 bucks.
 
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