cheaper ECS FM1 board...

hans007

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ECS???

I would not take an ECS if it was given to me.

Thank you, but no thanks.

i do not get this irrational fear of ECS boards , usually based on some story about having a k7s5a from like the year 2000. this is probably the same type of person who fears diesel cars because some GM in the early 80s had diesel and was terrible.

the 2 desktop machines i own both run ECS boards, adn other than lack of frills their boards seem no worse than any other brand. among my friends there seem to be just as many failures of gigabyte and asus etc, granted those boards have way more bios options and extras but its $20 less than the next cheapest FM1 board . i mean foxconn / ecs / biostar / asrock are all pretty much the same for budget boards.
 

Texashiker

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i do not get this irrational fear of ECS boards , usually based on some story about having a k7s5a from like the year 2000.

Frys has sale on ESC boards
Go to Frys and buy ECS board
Board is bad, return to Frys
See several pallets of returned ECS boards stacked 3 feet tall
Never buy ECS again, ever.
 

LOL_Wut_Axel

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Frys has sale on ESC boards
Go to Frys and buy ECS board
Board is bad, return to Frys
See several pallets of returned ECS boards stacked 3 feet tall
Never buy ECS again, ever.

Wat. All I'm hearing as of now is fear mongering. Llano APUs consume a lean amount of power and are made for people who won't tweak much with over-clocks and voltages, so this board should be just fine. For an office or average user, this board + A6-3650 is a cheap and great alternative to getting an Athlon II X4 640 and Radeon HD 5550.
 

LOL_Wut_Axel

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Go to restaurant, get served terrible food.

Go to restaurant a second time, get served terrible food yet again.

Their will not be a third time.

The quality of ECS boards has gone up significantly from some years ago to now. Your personal experience doesn't really prove much
 

StrangerGuy

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Go to restaurant, get served terrible food.

Go to restaurant a second time, get served terrible food yet again.

Their will not be a third time.

I'm sure the vast majority of the millions of mobo ECS supplies to OEMs fail like what you said because OEMs really wants their PCs to fail for class action lawsuits, tons of warranty claims and reputation down the drain.

And somehow people still think a $300+ mobo is immune to problems and has better support. Try reading how Asus abandoned BIOS updates for their ROG line somtime.
 

Texashiker

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The quality of ECS boards has gone up significantly from some years ago to now.

I will have to take your word for it, because I am not going to chance it.


Your personal experience doesn't really prove much

If my personal experience does not prove much, then neither does your experience.

Try reading how Asus abandoned BIOS updates for their ROG line somtime.

December 2009 marked the first ASUS board I bought in 10 years. the last ASUS board I bought around 1997, they did not want to honor the warranty.
 

VirtualLarry

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There's a reason that ECS is cheaper than other brands.

Would not touch with 10-ft pole.
 

postmortemIA

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I'd rather spend $25 more and get intel board. Ones I have now are running 4 full years.

I did have one ECS board. From day one it would BSOD if network controller is enabled. Later, second memory slot would stop working properly.
 

max347

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I have had pretty good luck with the 6 or so ECS boards I have had (built for family), fwiw
 

Cerb

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Frys has sale on ESC boards
Go to Frys and buy ECS board
Board is bad, return to Frys
See several pallets of returned ECS boards stacked 3 feet tall
Never buy ECS again, ever.
They did get spotty QC later on (3-6 months into offering the L7S7A2), but 99% of the time, swapping out RAM or PSU fixed any problems experienced with the K7S5A. The SiS735 heralded the spotty PSU and RAM stability issues that would come to haunt other AMD and Intel chipsets shortly thereafter (NF2 and 865 and newer). So far, I've encountered one bad one, and some are still running today, as servers (high duty cycle, so-so cooling), out of >30, maybe even >40 of them (all ran Enhance or Fortron PSUs, while they were current PCs, and RAM was either Kingston, Corsair, or Crucial).

I wouldn't jump at the chance to own a ECS board, and wouldn't touch one with a ten foot pole for overclocking, but they have a far worse reputation than they deserve.
 
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LOL_Wut_Axel

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I will have to take your word for it, because I am not going to chance it.




If my personal experience does not prove much, then neither does your experience.



December 2009 marked the first ASUS board I bought in 10 years. the last ASUS board I bought around 1997, they did not want to honor the warranty.

That's what reviewers are saying, not me. I'm not using my experience as an argument. Nice try, though.
 

hans007

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They did get spotty QC later on (3-6 months into offering the L7S7A2), but 99% of the time, swapping out RAM or PSU fixed any problems experienced with the K7S5A. The SiS735 heralded the spotty PSU and RAM stability issues that would come to haunt other AMD and Intel chipsets shortly thereafter (NF2 and 865 and newer). So far, I've encountered one bad one, and some are still running today, as servers (high duty cycle, so-so cooling), out of >30, maybe even >40 of them (all ran Enhance or Fortron PSUs, while they were current PCs, and RAM was either Kingston, Corsair, or Crucial).

I wouldn't jump at the chance to own a ECS board, and wouldn't touch one with a ten foot pole for overclocking, but they have a far worse reputation than they deserve.

i know the k7s5a pro or 2 or whatever the revised version was was much better. nonetheless this was still like 9 years ago.
 

Texashiker

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That's what reviewers are saying, not me. I'm not using my experience as an argument. Nice try, though.

Then come back when you have some real experience to post in the discussion.


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I wouldn't jump at the chance to own a ECS board, and wouldn't touch one with a ten foot pole for overclocking, but they have a far worse reputation than they deserve.

Take a chevy chevette, put a new motor in it and give it a new paint job. Regardless of what you do, its still a chevy chevette
 
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LOL_Wut_Axel

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Then come back when you have some real experience to post in the discussion.




Take a chevy chevette, put a new motor in it and give it a new paint job. Regardless of what you do, its still a chevy chevette

Ahahaha. Your hypocrisy is hilarious. Goodbye, there's no point in arguing with a wall.
 

BTA

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Hey, it's still better than PC Chips mobos. Just a little :p

Same company.

Back in 99-2000 PC Chips was the go-to solution in our PC repair shop for people with super old PC's that aren't worth repairing or simple upgrades. They were one of the few companies making all in one boards (vga, nic, sound)(which were considered terrible at the time, funny they are very popular now). We went through huge numbers of them and did have a decent number of RMA's. Quite often though the issue was PSU/ram related (or grounding issues in the terrible cases that were made back then). They served their purpose well. In actuality we had far more returns of Asus motherboards than any other manufacturer, and we sold maybe 1 to every 100 PC Chips board we sold. Abit had the least issues. Epox I think every one was returned. DFI was average. MSI a lot came back due to the bad cap issues.

I still have a business that I built 10 or so K7S5A based systems for years and years ago and every one still works fine to this day. (yeah they're cheap). Can't say the same for the server running an Abit board (best quality at the time).

ECS's biggest knock for years had nothing to do with stability but the lack of tweak and OC options. That is why enthusiasts get all up in arms about them.

There is nothing wrong with ECS boards. People who buy them also buy the cheapest possible PSU and memory which when combined with a low cost board gives you problems.

If the features and price match your needs there is nothing wrong with an ECS product.
 

Cerb

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Take a chevy chevette, put a new motor in it and give it a new paint job. Regardless of what you do, its still a chevy chevette
...so? Who paints their motherboards, or replaces important components on them (except busted caps from the early/mid 00s)? I really don't get the analogy, on top of of having to go to Wikipedia to find out what a Chevette was :).

So far, except for the several-month blip after the L7S7A2 release, I don't know of any major problems. They weren't tweaker boards, and today they are still too cheap for me to trust them as such, but to plug in and use, stone stock? I have yet to see any have any major problems, except a few bad caps here and there (which affected everybody), and have not experienced any, either (SiS 740 IGP was only barely better than Intel IGP, though, I gotta admit that).
 

Texashiker

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...so? Who paints their motherboards, or replaces important components on them (except busted caps from the early/mid 00s)? I really don't get the analogy,

Meaning ECS might have changed a couple of parts, but the board is still a cheap ECS board.

We are not talking about Intel who has a reputation of making solid boards. We are talking about a company who in the past has had quality issues.

One time I walked into frys in north Houston, there were pallets, and I mean several pallets of returned ECS boards. There must have been 100+ boxes of returned boards. I looked around and said "there must have been another ECS sale last week." Because that was how it went. Frys had a sale, a week later there were pallets of returned boards.
 

Cerb

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Meaning ECS might have changed a couple of parts, but the board is still a cheap ECS board.
That it is a cheap board is kind of the point. If not, who would buy them? it would likely be a mistake to try to build the highest performing system out there with such a board, saving ~$30-50, only to find that maybe it isn't up to handling high-power CPUs and video cards at the same, or whatever else (it's usually voltage regulation where they really fail).

We are not talking about Intel who has a reputation of making solid boards. We are talking about a company who in the past has had quality issues.

One time I walked into frys in north Houston, there were pallets, and I mean several pallets of returned ECS boards. There must have been 100+ boxes of returned boards. I looked around and said "there must have been another ECS sale last week." Because that was how it went. Frys had a sale, a week later there were pallets of returned boards.
So I've read. IMO, it was either a failure on ECS' part, or on Fry's, and that selling such cheap parts plain retail may have been a bad idea (if Fry's got compensated for returned boards, it would have been ECS' failure, and Fry's gain).

I've also seen, both with PC Chips/ECS and others (Gigabyte and FIC, mostly), and have found other supporting both individuals and businesses at the time, the same common problem: RAM and PSU. A Gigabyte SiS 73x/74x board was, big surprise, also very picky, for the time, about PSU and RAM. SiS was right at the bleeding edge, trying to squeeze as much as they could out of a couple sticks of RAM. When harry homeowner goes and puts that fancy new Athlon XP board in, with the same old RAM from his PII, and the same old PSU, surprise surprise, it's not the best experience. While a Fortron FSP-*, Enlight, Antec, etc., from that time were good enough, along with any decent brand name of RAM, people commonly wanted to be able to either get by with crap like a Deer, or re-use an aging OEM supply, and spotty memory (with regards to performing to SPD timings with new chipsets) that was only just good enough for what was being replaced, and nowhere near good enough for the replacement parts. Should this be a surprise, that many people buying cheap parts were trying to be too cheap, and getting burned by that cheapness?

By a year and half later or so, we were getting used to it with Athlons, and by the 865, it was the case for the P4s, too. If you built a whole PC, or including PSU & RAM in the upgrade, and made it all from value parts, but not too cheap crap (Fortron/Sparkle, instead of Raidmax PSU, Corsair instead of bargain-bin RAM, get a case with decent cooling), and didn't try to re-use PSU & RAM from an old PC, the tendency was for everything to work just fine. NF2 boards of all brands were categorically worse than SiS 73x/74x boards, in reliability, but they got passes, by and large, thanks to improved dual-channel performance, and I'm as guilty of going along with that as everyone else chasing bang/buck at the time.
 

BoomerD

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The quality of ECS boards has gone up significantly from some years ago to now. Your personal experience doesn't really prove much

Actually, our personal experiences prove that ECS built shitty motherboards and we're not willing to give them another chance.
I've built several computers using the Fry's processor/ECS board combo deals. None of them were stable builds, and every one had to have the motherboard replaced within 1 year due to assorted failing components.
The worst was when the AGP slot died...and took my 6800GT video card with it...

YOU say they're building better motherboards...I say, "I don't give a damn. They'll not get any more of my money."