Chavez Thread: Ties cut with Colombia... again

[Schadenfroh]

Everyone's favorite Castro wannabe gets another thread!

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE66L4JZ20100722

Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez cut ties on Thursday with Colombia in an escalating dispute between the two Andean neighbors over Bogota's charges that leftist Colombian rebels shelter in Venezuela.

Looks like Chavez is allowing rebels to continue to operate from his country's border region without crushing them, kinda reminds me of our ally Pakistan.... Not sure how much longer Colombia will tolerate this as they can kidnap, steal, destroy and terrorize, then gracefully slip back over the border into Venezuela when the Colombian government shows up to stop them.

It seems that Colombia and Chavez's allies are destined for a showdown sooner or later. I guess the closest that they have come was the Ecuador incident a while back with this little gem of information gained:
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=aMPbNS8tsmVo

The documents on the computer of Raul Reyes, the second in command of the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia, indicate that Venezuela provided the guerrillas with at least $300 million

 

[MotF Bane]

If it comes to it, my money is on Colombia.

 

[heyheybooboo]

The cynic in me this AM wonders what level of 'support' our spooks have been 'providing' in the on-going soap opera.




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[Genx87]

If it comes to it, my money is on Colombia.

Conscript vs professional army? Yeah, Colombia should do ok if it comes to an actual war.

 

[Schadenfroh]

Conscript vs professional army? Yeah, Colombia should do ok if it comes to an actual war.

Not to mention, Colombia's volunteer army is sizable. I assume that the US provides Colombia with some very sweet military hardware and training.

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN0428234420080304

With 178,000 soldiers, Colombia's army is more than twice the size of the Venezuelan and Ecuadorean armies combined. Colombian troops and police are experienced fighting rebels, paramilitaries and drug traffickers. U.S. trainers and billions of dollars in aid from Washington have bolstered their military intelligence and combat capabilities.

 

[Steeplerot]

I wouldn't count US "training and equipment" for much in 2010. Georgia got owned like a bitch with our finest.

 

[Jaskalas]

Won't we all feel warm and fuzzy inside, a decade from now, when Chavez has nuclear fuel to play with whilst continuing to pull this crap?

 

[MotF Bane]

I wouldn't count US "training and equipment" for much in 2010. Georgia got owned like a bitch with our finest.

 

[nick1985]

I wouldn't count US "training and equipment" for much in 2010. Georgia got owned like a bitch with our finest.

You are really stupid.

Lets see...Tiny ass Georgia with a standing army of 36,000 Vs. Russia with a standing army of over 1,000,000

Yeah, thats equivalent to Colombia over doubling the size of venezuela's army.



Plus, Georgia got a tiny bit of training from the US. Comparing that to what we give Colombia is also silly, just like you.



*edit*

I looked deeper into training and equipment US provided Georgia. This is what I found:

"The Georgia Train and Equip Program (GTEP) training was conducted using U.S. Special Operations Forces and U. S. Marine Corps forces from May 2002 to May 2004. During this time approximately 2,600 Georgian soldiers, including a headquarters staff element and 5 tactical units, received training."


Oh wow, a whole 2,600 soldiers got training! How come they couldnt push back the million man Russian Army???

 

[Genx87]

I wouldn't count US "training and equipment" for much in 2010. Georgia got owned like a bitch with our finest.

Yeah by a country x times larger than them with a much larger military. In this case Hugo is Georgia, not Russia.

 

[Lemon law]

Its a little hard to understand when (1) Columbia is known as a country that exports massive amounts Cocaine to the USA and has quite a number drug cartels high up in its government. (2) Venezuela on the other hand is a Country that exports a great deal of oil to the USA even if it is sympathetic to a Columbia anti-government rebel movement that has long opposed the corruption of the Columbia Government and its death squads.

Why do we side with Columbia?

 

[Genx87]

Its a little hard to understand when (1) Columbia is known as a country that exports massive amounts Cocaine to the USA and has quite a number drug cartels high up in its government. (2) Venezuela on the other hand is a Country that exports a great deal of oil to the USA even if it is sympathetic to a Columbia anti-government rebel movement that has long opposed the corruption of the Columbia Government and its death squads.

Why do we side with Columbia?

Really???

 

[nick1985]

Why do we side with Columbia?

haha ur dumb

 

[JD50]

I wouldn't count US "training and equipment" for much in 2010. Georgia got owned like a bitch with our finest.

Steeplerot what is your rank in the Venezualan (sp?) army?

 

[Steeplerot]

You are really stupid.

Lets see...Tiny ass Georgia with a standing army of 36,000 Vs. Russia with a standing army of over 1,000,000

Yeah, thats equivalent to Colombia over doubling the size of venezuela's army.



Plus, Georgia got a tiny bit of training from the US. Comparing that to what we give Colombia is also silly, just like you.



*edit*

I looked deeper into training and equipment US provided Georgia. This is what I found:

"The Georgia Train and Equip Program (GTEP) training was conducted using U.S. Special Operations Forces and U. S. Marine Corps forces from May 2002 to May 2004. During this time approximately 2,600 Georgian soldiers, including a headquarters staff element and 5 tactical units, received training."


Oh wow, a whole 2,600 soldiers got training! How come they couldnt push back the million man Russian Army???

They did not use their whole army, now who is stupid. Anyhow, superior training and equipment gives a advantage, so why exactly are we giving all this money to contractors who run the show?

 

[nick1985]

They did not use their whole army, now who is stupid. Anyhow, superior training and equipment gives a advantage, so why exactly are we giving all this money to contractors who run the show?

Who didn't use their whole army? Russia? Georgia? Both? Are you suggesting that since Georgia had a couple thousand soldiers trained by the US that they should have beaten the Russian army?

Please explain

 

[ElFenix]

Colombia

 

[Jaskalas]

Why do we side with Columbia?

Yet another issue where you side with those shaking hands and becoming friends with the likes of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. Apparently communist South-American dictatorships and Islamic terrorism are BFFs and you want us to join the club.

 

[Lemon law]

Yet another issue where you side with those shaking hands and becoming friends with the likes of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. Apparently communist South-American dictatorships and Islamic terrorism are BFFs and you want us to join the club.

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As usual, Jaskalas understands neither my advocacy or motives.

Let me put it another way, because as the USA unquestionably backed Batista in Cuba, and the Shah in Iran, we would up with a Castro in Cuba and Ayatollahs in Iran. Do we want to repeat the experience in Colombia? Or we can alternately ask, is the Colombian or US policy working yet to end Farc? Or we can ask, if the rebellion of Farc can be smashed, will another rebellion more popular again spring up?

In short, we can ask, is the government in Columbia the problem and why its going to attract insurgencies like stink on shit? Certainly government support of right wing large land owning paramilitaries running their own murderous death squads does much to
prop up the meager support of Farc. As does the very unfair Colombian system to distribute the nations wealth mainly to those already wealth. But another huge problem is Colombia's past history of negotiating with groups opposed to the government. First Colombia promises to peacefully negotiate, and then it breaks its own word and uses negotiation as a guise for violent repression.

On the other hand, most of Farc is exactly what the USA hates. A Marxist group that calls for the overthrow of the government, a group the uses terror, kidnapping, and murder, and worse yet, engages in drug trafficking to finance their own operations, even as its leadership then turns around and does not hoard the profits to lead lives of opulence.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolutionary_Armed_Forces_of_Colombia

Now lets ask the right question if you agree with me that Farc should go so a better Colombian future without the Farc can come into being.

The immediate knee jerk reaction is get rid of Farc with military force, but after some 200 years of trying that in Colombia, those that are smarter realize that is and never will work. Even though Farc is a Jonney come lately group with only a 50 year history,
those type of violent social rebellions are a just symptom of a disease of social injustice, and such, not the disease and not the cure.

The only way Colombia or any other country will solve its problems and find peace is to reduce the causes of terrorist movements. Violent and non Violent groups may come and go meanwhile, but until the causes are addressed, military action in general makes the problems worse not better.

I hope that better explains it to you Jaskalas.

 

[Sinsear]

Why do we side with Columbia?

We know who you side with.


Iran.


Hezbollah.


Venezuela.

 

[nick1985]

We know who you side with.


Iran.


Hezbollah.


Venezuela.

Dont forget Hamas. Lemon law is a card carrying member

 

[Sinsear]

Dont forget Hamas. Lemon law is a card carrying member

No that's Hezbollah. I gotta go dig up the quote.

 

[Sinsear]

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Nor does a military wing have to be used offensive or terrorist uses, in the case of Hezbollah, which can now boast, Israel will think long and hard before trying to invade Lebanon because we defend Lebanon.

 

[nick1985]

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lol...what a tool

 

[Lemon law]

If you think the generic we, in the whole statement of "in the case of Hezbollah, which can now boast, Israel will think long and hard before trying to invade Lebanon because we defend Lebanon.", includes me in that generic we, you are nuttier that a fruitcake.

I simply made that statement because that is now what Hezbollah can and does say to the Lebanese people. And worse yet for those who dislike armed terrorists groups like Hezbollah including me, I point out that before Israel tried the brainfart of raping Lebanon, internal Lebanese support of Hezbollah stood at 25%, shortly thereafter, internal Lebanese support of Hezbollah increased to 75%. And worse yet, the entire Arab world is now inspired by Hezbollah.

But if I were a present government Israeli fan clubber, I would be crying about the fact that Hezbollah support tripled, and not waste my time and efforts trying to kill the messenger of the fact that Hezbollah support somehow tripled. Especially by taking quotes out of context or misinterpreting them.

But then again, maybe its better to be thought a tool than to be a fool. I deny being a tool, but there is no shortage of fools. With the definition of fools being, people who have one goal but advocate policies that do everything to not accomplish their end goals.