Chavez solves Venezuela's potential currency inflation crisis.

yllus

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Yes, I know the currency of Venezuela is not the dollar bill, but "old 1,000 bolívar" doesn't have the same ring to it. :p
Venezuela to Give Currency New Name and Numbers
CARACAS, Venezuela, March 17 ? Of all the startling measures announced by President Hugo Chávez this year, from the nationalization of major utilities to threats of imprisonment for violators of price controls, none have baffled economists quite like his venture into monetary reform.

First, Mr. Chávez said the authorities would remove three zeroes from the denomination of the currency, the bolívar. Then he said the new bolívar, worth 1,000 old bolívars, would be renamed the ?bolívar fuerte,? or strong bolívar.

Finally, at the behest of Mr. Chávez, the central bank said this week that it would reintroduce a 12.5-cent coin, a symbol of Venezuela?s prosperity in the 1960s and 1970s before freewheeling oil booms ended in abrupt devaluations, after three decades out of circulation.

Mr. Chávez champions these ideas, which will take effect in January, as ways to combat inflation, which in recent weeks crept up to 20 percent, the highest in Latin America. Officials blame ?hoarders? for shortages of basic goods and price increases for food on the black market. Mr. Chávez says the renaming and redenominating the currency will instill confidence in it.

Gastón Parra, the president of the central bank, went on television this week to emphasize that the effect of these measures on the value of Venezuela?s currency would be neutral, neither increasing or decreasing salaries, debts nor the price of consumer goods.

Private economists, however, say the changes, combined with inflation, could heighten confusion over prices. Those economists say the inflation is a result of a surge in public spending by Mr. Chávez and increasingly jittery efforts by the wealthy to circumvent tightening controls on prices and foreign exchange.

?We?re witnessing policy in the form of window dressing, all carried out at the whim of one man whose strong point is not economics,? said Hugo Faría, an economist at the Institute of Higher Management Studies, a private business school here. ?Anyone who sees a 12 ½-cent coin as a remedy for this country?s problems isn?t thinking too clearly.?

Inflation has been climbing rapidly since January when a sharp decline in the black-market value of the bolívar pushed up prices of imported goods. Since Mr. Chávez moved to nationalize major telephone and electricity companies in January, Venezuelans have rushed to take money out of the country, currency traders say. That exodus has caused the bolívar to weaken by about 20 percent to a level of 4,000 to the dollar on the black market, placing it among the world?s worst performing currencies this year.

The decisions to rename the currency and reintroduce the unusual coin, known here as the locha, a term thought to derive from an anachronistic practice of dividing monetary units into eighths, have dumbfounded many Venezuelans. More than a third of the country?s population of 26 million is under age 18, with no memory of the coin, which stopped circulating in the 1970s.

?I think that it?s cheap psychology,? said Jhonny Márquez, a manager at a transportation company. ?I don?t believe the inflation will go down.?

In many respects, Venezuela has strong fundamentals, with more than $30 billion in foreign currency reserves and large inflows of revenue from oil exports this year, which are expected to surpass $50 billion. But economists say confidence in the economy has started to erode since the government began to aggressively assert control over the activities of foreign companies in recent months. The de facto devaluation of the bolívar in street trading illustrates the growing concern.
The near-mystical definition of "investor confidence" centainly relies to some extent on symbolism, but this is just comedic. I thought the world's nations were long past this kind of idiocy. Anyways, the watching (on the sidelines, they elected him and now they're on their own) of this particular comedy continues.
 

imported_Shivetya

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the end game started.

too bad his supporters are willing to damn the entire nation simply because they have Bush too much to go after an international avid Bush hater
 

EagleKeeper

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Painting over rust does not remove the problem, just hides it from view.
 

LegendKiller

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What a complete moron. If history has taught us anything it's that fooling with your currency to buy your way out of economic collapse doesn't do anything but create hardships for your populace. His price caps have an even worse effect.
 

halik

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HAHAHAHA Wow he really failed Economics. Nominal Fiat money is completly irrelevant when it comes to inflation - you can add or subtract zeros with no effect on the market equlibrium prices. Hell even poland did that in the late 90s (struck a bunch of zeros from their currency in order to getless ridiculous notes) and it didn't change a thing.
 

palehorse

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It's times like this that I miss 'ole Steeplerot and his/her love for all things Chavez. With him/her banned, these Chavez threads are no longer as entertaining as they once were.

After all, nobody should be surprised by that moron Chavez screwing up as much of Latin America as he possibly can before he's finally assassinated someday...
 

thraashman

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I think Bush needs to do everything he can to make amends with Chavez (since we know Chavez sure as hell won't). Then if Bush makes amends, Chavez will no longer have Bush as ammunition. And if Chavez has no ammunition, his people may finally look at him and realize that he barely has a clue what he's doing. I mean jeez, for as much as I hate Bush, at least he's not this guy (I refuse to compliment Bush, but it definately could be worse as we see here).

This will probably require Bush (not Bush particularly, the US gov't in general) to make some sort of amends with Castro as well, but I've felt that was necessary for a long time. I think we've proven over several decades that a trade embargo that forces a country into poverty really does no good to cause a regime change.
 

yllus

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Originally posted by: thraashman
I think Bush needs to do everything he can to make amends with Chavez (since we know Chavez sure as hell won't). Then if Bush makes amends, Chavez will no longer have Bush as ammunition. And if Chavez has no ammunition, his people may finally look at him and realize that he barely has a clue what he's doing. I mean jeez, for as much as I hate Bush, at least he's not this guy (I refuse to compliment Bush, but it definately could be worse as we see here).

This will probably require Bush (not Bush particularly, the US gov't in general) to make some sort of amends with Castro as well, but I've felt that was necessary for a long time. I think we've proven over several decades that a trade embargo that forces a country into poverty really does no good to cause a regime change.
I think it'd be amusing if President Bush announced, "The policy of the U.S. is non-interference in Venezuela's affairs. I am passing an executive order to that effect immediately."

Then we could watch Chavez crumble under his own weight over time with no scapegoat available to distract his electorate. I don't agree with becoming anywhere near friendly with Cuba or Venezuela, though. Dollars you let flow in = dollars the government gets their hands on to keep the people down.
 

LegendKiller

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Originally posted by: GoPackGo
Sounds very similar to Germany's post WW1 problems.

In some ways yes, in others no. Post-WW1 Germany just printed money to repay reparations without anything backing that money, resulting in massive inflation. I remember reading history accounts of bread prices being adjusted 6 times per day to account for inflation, with prices sometimes doubling or even tripling in price per day.
 

OutHouse

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Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Originally posted by: GoPackGo
Sounds very similar to Germany's post WW1 problems.

In some ways yes, in others no. Post-WW1 Germany just printed money to repay reparations without anything backing that money, resulting in massive inflation. I remember reading history accounts of bread prices being adjusted 6 times per day to account for inflation, with prices sometimes doubling or even tripling in price per day.

i have a Deutch Mark that is only printed on one side. the reason is becasue the German mint had so much money to print they only had time to print one side of the bills. I also have a bunch of Reich Marks, 3 bills that amount to 1.7 million Reich Marks. :D very crazy stuff. you are right about the bread prices. i remember seeing a picture of germans standingl in line at the bakery with wheelbarrows full of money just to buy bread.
 

senseamp

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They should rename it the KiloBolivar, then MegaBolivar, GigaBolivar, TeraBolivar etc...
 

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Originally posted by: thraashman
I think Bush needs to do everything he can to make amends with Chavez (since we know Chavez sure as hell won't). Then if Bush makes amends, Chavez will no longer have Bush as ammunition. And if Chavez has no ammunition, his people may finally look at him and realize that he barely has a clue what he's doing. I mean jeez, for as much as I hate Bush, at least he's not this guy (I refuse to compliment Bush, but it definately could be worse as we see here).

This will probably require Bush (not Bush particularly, the US gov't in general) to make some sort of amends with Castro as well, but I've felt that was necessary for a long time. I think we've proven over several decades that a trade embargo that forces a country into poverty really does no good to cause a regime change.

You can only make amends if both parties accept it. There is no way Chavez will ever accept a Bush olive branch. It would sink his platform, which is fear of the US.
 

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Originally posted by: palehorse74
It's times like this that I miss 'ole Steeplerot and his/her love for all things Chavez. With him/her banned, these Chavez threads are no longer as entertaining as they once were.

After all, nobody should be surprised by that moron Chavez screwing up as much of Latin America as he possibly can before he's finally assassinated someday...

Yep. It's just not the same. He/she was the first thing that came to mind when I saw Chavez in the title of the thread.

Chavez's problems are gonna spiral outta control one of these days. Adding and subtracting a few zero's does nothing.
 

Fern

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Is there any historically proven "bad idea" that this guy has not yet implemented?

I wish somebody would put together a chart of all possible stupid things to do, then check off those he's already implemented.

That would help us anticipate his next move, you know- which as yet undone studip thing w/b next?

Fern

edit: fixed typo
 

thraashman

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Originally posted by: CPA
Originally posted by: thraashman
I think Bush needs to do everything he can to make amends with Chavez (since we know Chavez sure as hell won't). Then if Bush makes amends, Chavez will no longer have Bush as ammunition. And if Chavez has no ammunition, his people may finally look at him and realize that he barely has a clue what he's doing. I mean jeez, for as much as I hate Bush, at least he's not this guy (I refuse to compliment Bush, but it definately could be worse as we see here).

This will probably require Bush (not Bush particularly, the US gov't in general) to make some sort of amends with Castro as well, but I've felt that was necessary for a long time. I think we've proven over several decades that a trade embargo that forces a country into poverty really does no good to cause a regime change.

You can only make amends if both parties accept it. There is no way Chavez will ever accept a Bush olive branch. It would sink his platform, which is fear of the US.


I think there's a chance he'd accept it, but Bush would have to make sure that it was obvious that it would be Chavez's fault if he turned Bush's olive branch down. It's obvious Chavez is teetering on the edge of madness and that he would never extend the olive branch. Bush has an opportunity here, albeit a small one. It could work and is at least worth a try. If he fails, the worst that happens is more of the world realizes Chavez doesn't want to work together, he wants to rave like a lunatic.
 

Mill

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It gets funnier by the day. Instead of hoarding Cuban doctors or playing footsie with Iran, Chavez could be spending on infrastructure, education, and technology. With new technology, he could actually increase their oil profits quite a bit since the Ven crude is fairly tough stuff to refine. He's caused massive inflation by not controlling his spending, and his idiotic economic policies are rubbing salt into the wound. It is sad. Venezuela should be Latin America's most prosperous and stable economy right now, but now it isn't even close.

The old proverb always rings true to me. Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime. Chavez is currently just feeding people for a day and not looking at the future. Sucks for his people.
 

daniel49

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Originally posted by: palehorse74
It's times like this that I miss 'ole Steeplerot and his/her love for all things Chavez. With him/her banned, these Chavez threads are no longer as entertaining as they once were.

After all, nobody should be surprised by that moron Chavez screwing up as much of Latin America as he possibly can before he's finally assassinated someday...
he is banned? when did that happen and why?
craig should be along shortly to fill in.
 

Red Dawn

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I always hear Chavez saying how he loves the American People. What kind of love is it when you keep harping on something that we are highly embarrassed about, the fact that our President is a total fsck up. Saying sh!t like that is just rubbing it in and will only serve to piss us off.
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: Mill
It gets funnier by the day. Instead of hoarding Cuban doctors or playing footsie with Iran, Chavez could be spending on infrastructure, education, and technology. With new technology, he could actually increase their oil profits quite a bit since the Ven crude is fairly tough stuff to refine. He's caused massive inflation by not controlling his spending, and his idiotic economic policies are rubbing salt into the wound. It is sad. Venezuela should be Latin America's most prosperous and stable economy right now, but now it isn't even close.

The old proverb always rings true to me. Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime. Chavez is currently just feeding people for a day and not looking at the future. Sucks for his people.

But it's their Country to do what they want with it just like the U.S. or Iraq or any other Country.
 

Jaskalas

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: Mill
It gets funnier by the day. Instead of hoarding Cuban doctors or playing footsie with Iran, Chavez could be spending on infrastructure, education, and technology. With new technology, he could actually increase their oil profits quite a bit since the Ven crude is fairly tough stuff to refine. He's caused massive inflation by not controlling his spending, and his idiotic economic policies are rubbing salt into the wound. It is sad. Venezuela should be Latin America's most prosperous and stable economy right now, but now it isn't even close.

The old proverb always rings true to me. Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime. Chavez is currently just feeding people for a day and not looking at the future. Sucks for his people.

But it's their Country to do what they want with it just like the U.S. or Iraq or any other Country.

Yes, but North Korea it also a sovereign nation ? and you know how its people are doing.

We must learn from and reject these socialist policies, else we?re doomed to repeat their failures. If they want to live in ruin, then so be it. However, we don?t have to follow them off the cliff.
 

K1052

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
I always hear Chavez saying how he loves the American People. What kind of love is it when you keep harping on something that we are highly embarrassed about, the fact that our President is a total fsck up. Saying sh!t like that is just rubbing it in and will only serve to piss us off.

The last time he was in the US his childish tirades/insults against the President got bad enough that Democrats were publicly coming out to defend the President (or at least the office). It is rather bad diplomatic form for a visiting head of state to repeatedly insult the head of the host nation on TV.
 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Originally posted by: GoPackGo
Sounds very similar to Germany's post WW1 problems.

In some ways yes, in others no. Post-WW1 Germany just printed money to repay reparations without anything backing that money, resulting in massive inflation. I remember reading history accounts of bread prices being adjusted 6 times per day to account for inflation, with prices sometimes doubling or even tripling in price per day.

I believe at one point the Mark hit about 23 billion to one US dollar as a result of this policy.