Chavez gets OK to approve laws by decree

[techs]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070119/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/venezuela_chavez&printer=1

Chavez gets OK to approve laws by decree

Venezuelan lawmakers gave initial approval to a bill granting President Hugo Chavez the power to rule by decree for 18 months so that he can impose sweeping economic, social and political change.

Emboldened by his landslide re-election last month, the leftist leader has called for "revolutionary laws" to accelerate the country's transformation into a full socialist state.

"This process is unstoppable," lawmaker Juan Montenegro Nunez told the National Assembly Thursday. "This process is a historic necessity."

The vote was unanimous as the National Assembly has been entirely filled with Chavez's allies since opposition parties boycotted 2005 elections.

Chavez began his third term last week by announcing his intent to nationalize key sectors of the economy, rewrite the country's constitution to eliminate presidential term limits, and strip the Central Bank of its autonomy



So a democratically elected legislature passes a law to allow a President to rule by decree. Does that make it un-democratic? If the legislature was elected by the people and then votes under its own rules to do this is it still democratic?
Now of course the current party in power had so disabled opposition parties from running fairly against it (much like what was done in Russia) so was the election that was held "democratic"?
It boggles the mind why they would not just rubber stamp Chavez's plans (like the Republican party did for Bush on 98 percent of his policies) to keep up the appearance of democracy.
Anyways, the reality is that Venezuala is, imo, now a "constitutional dictatorship".

 

[ayabe]

Don't worry the Chavez champions will soon be here to spin this away.

Chavez is a two-bit dictator plain and simple.

 

[Wreckem]

Originally posted by: techs
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070119/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/venezuela_chavez&printer=1

Chavez gets OK to approve laws by decree

Venezuelan lawmakers gave initial approval to a bill granting President Hugo Chavez the power to rule by decree for 18 months so that he can impose sweeping economic, social and political change.

Emboldened by his landslide re-election last month, the leftist leader has called for "revolutionary laws" to accelerate the country's transformation into a full socialist state.

"This process is unstoppable," lawmaker Juan Montenegro Nunez told the National Assembly Thursday. "This process is a historic necessity."

The vote was unanimous as the National Assembly has been entirely filled with Chavez's allies since opposition parties boycotted 2005 elections.

Chavez began his third term last week by announcing his intent to nationalize key sectors of the economy, rewrite the country's constitution to eliminate presidential term limits, and strip the Central Bank of its autonomy



So a democratically elected legislature passes a law to allow a President to rule by decree. Does that make it un-democratic? If the legislature was elected by the people and then votes under its own rules to do this is it still democratic?
Now of course the current party in power had so disabled opposition parties from running fairly against it (much like what was done in Russia) so was the election that was held "democratic"?
It boggles the mind why they would not just rubber stamp Chavez's plans (like the Republican party did for Bush on 98 percent of his policies) to keep up the appearance of democracy.
Anyways, the reality is that Venezuala is, imo, now a "constitutional dictatorship".

Chavez and the "democracy" of Venezuala is very similar to the "democracy" Hitler was elected under and eventually took over.

I'm not saying Chavez is like Hitler, although there he has allegedly held or killed political enemies, but they both were elected and took their countries into dictatorship states through intimidation and brainwashing.

 

[Genx87]

He has to do this because some evil rich radio station tried to help in the coup.
Nevermind the person behind the coup sits on Chavez's cabinet.

Collection of power by him and his party. This is something I have been preaching since 2004 on these msgboards. No surprise at all where this is heading.

 

[Jaskalas]

Chavez is an ally of Iran and North Korea. He needs to die.

 

[EagleKeeper]

It is Ok for him to do it because the Legislature approved it (per the Chavez leftist supporters)

But when it is done here by Bush, the left howls. Signing statements power was approved by Congress.

 

[CPA]

just waiting for Steeplerot to chime in how Chavez is the greatest thing since sliced bread.

Chavez is the new Castro, plain and simple.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: CPA
just waiting for Steeplerot to chime in how Chavez is the greatest thing since sliced bread.

Chavez is the new Castro, plain and simple.

And then quickly moving onto a childish rant against anybody and everybody who disagree's with him

 

[Wreckem]

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
It is Ok for him to do it because the Legislature approved it (per the Chavez leftist supporters)

But when it is done here by Bush, the left howls. Signing statements power was approved by Congress.

Uh, do you not see the difference between signing statements and the power of decree?

Chavez can now create and enforce ANY law he wants to without Venezula's legislature.

He now has the power to rewrite the constitution, give himself a life term, disband the legislature. IE: Rule how he sees fit. This gives him a formal dictatorship over the country.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: Wreckem


I'm not saying Chavez is like Hitler, although there he has allegedly held or killed political enemies, but they both were elected and took their countries into dictatorship states through intimidation and brainwashing.

That is just silly, Chavez was elected in landslides in one of the most watched elections around, Hitler's decrees were not constitutional. The communist and social democratic deputies were unconstitutionally stripped of their parliamentary immunity. Without that act, there could have been no NS dictatorship. Furthermore, Chavez is an anti-fascist and sometimes democracy can allow for no space for such fascist forces.

We have the same kind policy here, although I don't think anyone has used it since FDR.

Anyhow, he is starting to deprivatize and make changes from a capitalist to a socialist economy to build up a middle class, same thing FDR had to do.

More US corporate media misrepresenting and pulling a hit piece on Chavez.

 

[Steeplerot]

If you want the real scoop of what this temporary law he is using again is all about here is the dirt, and yes it is 100% constitutional.


The proposed law, for which there is express permission in Article 203 of Venezuela?s 1999 constitution, would allow Chavez to pass decrees that have the legal standing of laws in ten different areas. The last time Chavez was allowed to make use of this provision was in 2001, when he passed 49 law-decrees. Previous presidents, such as Carlos Andrés Perez in 1976, were also given temporary authority for such laws.

The ten areas in which Chavez will be allowed to legislate are:

1. Transformation of the institutions of the state. Chavez would be allowed to change state institutions so that these become more efficient, include greater citizen participation, and are more transparent.
2. Popular participation. Here the President would be allowed to develop norms that enable citizen participation in public oversight. Also part of this is the ?enabling of the direct exercise of popular sovereignty.? Exactly what is meant by this has so far not been explained.
3. Establishing norms for the eradication of corruption. This would also involve changing the civil service system.
4. The creation of norms for adopting existing legislation to the construction of a new social and economic model, in order to achieve equality and equitable distribution of wealth, under ?the ideals of social justice and economic independence.?
5. Finances and tax collection. The development of norms to modernize monetary, banking, insurance, and tax sectors.
6. Citizen and judiciary security. The development of norms for updating the systems of public health, citizen security, prisons, identification, migration, and judiciary.
7. Science and technology. Norms for the development of science and technology to satisfy the needs of education, health, environment, biodiversity, industrialization, quality of life, and defense.
8. Territorial order. Norms that establish a new territorial organization on the sub-national level, so as to optimize state action.
9. Security and defense. Norms for enabling the co-responsibility of state and organized communities by establishing a new functioning of the institutions of security and defense of the nation.
10. Infrastructure, transport, and services. Norms that support the use of the human and industrial potential and the existing infrastructure to improve transport systems, public services, home construction, and telecommunications, among others.

http://www.venezuelanalysis.com/news.php?newsno=2195

More US fear mongering from obviously envious oil interests.

There is a reason it is called the Bolivarian Revolution the people voted for Chavez to move them into the 21st century under a new Socialist state, and Hugo is taking action.

 

[halik]

Fidel Castro 2.0
I wouldn't be surprised if we see mass exodus of educated people from the country. Too bad all of his policy is banking on $ from oil exports... who knows how long will that last.

 

[GDaddy]

Stee, you must be Chavez's PR guy, no matter what he does its for the good of the people. you are so missguided, next thing you will tell us is that he has turned water into wine, and given it to all the people that love him so much

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: GDaddy
Stee, you must be Chavez's PR guy, no matter what he does its for the good of the people. you are so missguided, next thing you will tell us is that he has turned water into wine, and given it to all the people that love him so much

Nah, I just study up on this, and saying he is a dictator is knee-jerk not reality based.

Folks have been saying he is turning into a dictator for 8 years now, and yet he wins much more transparent elections then our by landslides again and again. This is the second time he has adjusted their economy with this law,

This is the typical BS our media misinforms us with when it is so obvious the PoV we get is from our economic interests not facts.

This is Venz peoples choice, and this is the type of economy they want, Chavez is not a freakin Commie and has said so many many times, yet the right wingers in here repeat this crap over and over.

 

[halik]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
If you want the real scoop of what this temporary law he is using again is all about here is the dirt, and yes it is 100% constitutional.


The proposed law, for which there is express permission in Article 203 of Venezuela?s 1999 constitution, would allow Chavez to pass decrees that have the legal standing of laws in ten different areas. The last time Chavez was allowed to make use of this provision was in 2001, when he passed 49 law-decrees. Previous presidents, such as Carlos Andrés Perez in 1976, were also given temporary authority for such laws.

The ten areas in which Chavez will be allowed to legislate are:

1. Transformation of the institutions of the state. Chavez would be allowed to change state institutions so that these become more efficient, include greater citizen participation, and are more transparent.
2. Popular participation. Here the President would be allowed to develop norms that enable citizen participation in public oversight. Also part of this is the ?enabling of the direct exercise of popular sovereignty.? Exactly what is meant by this has so far not been explained.
3. Establishing norms for the eradication of corruption. This would also involve changing the civil service system.
4. The creation of norms for adopting existing legislation to the construction of a new social and economic model, in order to achieve equality and equitable distribution of wealth, under ?the ideals of social justice and economic independence.?
5. Finances and tax collection. The development of norms to modernize monetary, banking, insurance, and tax sectors.
6. Citizen and judiciary security. The development of norms for updating the systems of public health, citizen security, prisons, identification, migration, and judiciary.
7. Science and technology. Norms for the development of science and technology to satisfy the needs of education, health, environment, biodiversity, industrialization, quality of life, and defense.
8. Territorial order. Norms that establish a new territorial organization on the sub-national level, so as to optimize state action.
9. Security and defense. Norms for enabling the co-responsibility of state and organized communities by establishing a new functioning of the institutions of security and defense of the nation.
10. Infrastructure, transport, and services. Norms that support the use of the human and industrial potential and the existing infrastructure to improve transport systems, public services, home construction, and telecommunications, among others.

http://www.venezuelanalysis.com/news.php?newsno=2195

More US fear mongering from obviously envious oil interests.

There is a reason it is called the Bolivarian Revolution the people voted for Chavez to move them into the 21st century under a new Socialist state, and Hugo is taking action.

Yeah a website ran from venezuale is bound to be unbiased, especially in light of the recent media shutdowns in that country. Read the articles in the Economist about Venezuela if you want some real insight.

 

[K1052]

At the risk of invoking Goodwin's Law, some who remember their history might recall the Reichstag giving up legislative power to Hitler.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: halik


Yeah a website ran from venezuale is bound to be unbiased, especially in light of the recent media shutdowns in that country. Read the articles in the Economist about Venezuela if you want some real insight.

The economist is majorly anti-chavez and has been one of the biggest sources for anti-chavez propaganda, hmm "The Economist" now I wonder why?

 

[ayabe]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: halik


Yeah a website ran from venezuale is bound to be unbiased, especially in light of the recent media shutdowns in that country. Read the articles in the Economist about Venezuela if you want some real insight.

The economist is majorly anti-chavez and has been one of the biggest sources for anti-chavez propaganda, hmm "The Economist" now I wonder why?

$5 says you've never read an issue.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: K1052
At the risk of invoking Goodwin's Law, some who remember their history might recall the Reichstag giving up legislative power to Hitler.

Hitler's decrees were not constitutional. The communist and social democratic deputies were unconstitutionally stripped of their parliamentary immunity. Without that act, there could have been no NS dictatorship. Furthermore, Chavez is an anti-fascist and sometimes democracy can allow for no space for such fascist forces.

Chavez has the peoples blessings to make these changes, this is what happens when you get elected by multiple landslides, it shows the people want a new direction.

Quit the kneejerk crap, you have no clue what you are talking about.

 

[GDaddy]

Stee the reason, as stated above and many times before, that he wins landsides and has no bad PR comming out of his media outlets is the either he shuts down any conflicting views or buys out the offending party, case in point the coup leader on his cabinet. he is slowly turning into another Castro but behind the disguise of democracy. many have done it before, and many will do it again.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: GDaddy
Stee, you must be Chavez's PR guy, no matter what he does its for the good of the people. you are so missguided, next thing you will tell us is that he has turned water into wine, and given it to all the people that love him so much

Nah, I just study up on this, and saying he is a dictator is knee-jerk not reality based.

Folks have been saying he is turning into a dictator for 8 years now, and yet he wins much more transparent elections then our by landslides again and again. This is the second time he has adjusted their economy with this law,

Gee you dont say eh?

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
If you want the real scoop of what this temporary law he is using again is all about here is the dirt, and yes it is 100% constitutional.


The proposed law, for which there is express permission in Article 203 of Venezuela?s 1999 constitution, would allow Chavez to pass decrees that have the legal standing of laws in ten different areas. The last time Chavez was allowed to make use of this provision was in 2001, when he passed 49 law-decrees. Previous presidents, such as Carlos Andrés Perez in 1976, were also given temporary authority for such laws.

The ten areas in which Chavez will be allowed to legislate are:

1. Transformation of the institutions of the state. Chavez would be allowed to change state institutions so that these become more efficient, include greater citizen participation, and are more transparent.
2. Popular participation. Here the President would be allowed to develop norms that enable citizen participation in public oversight. Also part of this is the ?enabling of the direct exercise of popular sovereignty.? Exactly what is meant by this has so far not been explained.
3. Establishing norms for the eradication of corruption. This would also involve changing the civil service system.
4. The creation of norms for adopting existing legislation to the construction of a new social and economic model, in order to achieve equality and equitable distribution of wealth, under ?the ideals of social justice and economic independence.?
5. Finances and tax collection. The development of norms to modernize monetary, banking, insurance, and tax sectors.
6. Citizen and judiciary security. The development of norms for updating the systems of public health, citizen security, prisons, identification, migration, and judiciary.
7. Science and technology. Norms for the development of science and technology to satisfy the needs of education, health, environment, biodiversity, industrialization, quality of life, and defense.
8. Territorial order. Norms that establish a new territorial organization on the sub-national level, so as to optimize state action.
9. Security and defense. Norms for enabling the co-responsibility of state and organized communities by establishing a new functioning of the institutions of security and defense of the nation.
10. Infrastructure, transport, and services. Norms that support the use of the human and industrial potential and the existing infrastructure to improve transport systems, public services, home construction, and telecommunications, among others.

http://www.venezuelanalysis.com/news.php?newsno=2195

More US fear mongering from obviously envious oil interests.

There is a reason it is called the Bolivarian Revolution the people voted for Chavez to move them into the 21st century under a new Socialist state, and Hugo is taking action.

Yeah a website ran from venezuale is bound to be unbiased, especially in light of the recent media shutdowns in that country. Read the articles in the Economist about Venezuela if you want some real insight.

If you want a better link, ask Craig234. He will provide you with articles from the a paper dedicated to partisan coverage of the communist party of america

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: GDaddy
Stee the reason, as stated above and many times before, that he wins landsides and has no bad PR comming out of his media outlets is the either he shuts down any conflicting views or buys out the offending party, case in point the coup leader on his cabinet. he is slowly turning into another Castro but behind the disguise of democracy. many have done it before, and many will do it again.

What? He has had nothing but BAD PR coming from the media 24/7 for his whole presidency, he was damn nice to let them stay on air for this many years after admitting they plotted the coup, he asked them to be fair and let them slide for years, they should be kissing his ass for not charging them with treason.

We would shut down any major TV station that took part in a coup against our legally elected government also.

The other stations are endlessly trash-talking him still, but the one station that actually took arms against him finally is getting nationalized too bad so sad.

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: K1052
At the risk of invoking Goodwin's Law, some who remember their history might recall the Reichstag giving up legislative power to Hitler.

Hitler's decrees were not constitutional. The communist and social democratic deputies were unconstitutionally stripped of their parliamentary immunity. Without that act, there could have been no NS dictatorship. Furthermore, Chavez is an anti-fascist and sometimes democracy can allow for no space for such fascist forces.

Chavez has the peoples blessings to make these changes, this is what happens when you get elected by multiple landslides, it shows the people want a new direction.

Quit the kneejerk crap, you have no clue what you are talking about.

google "Enabling Act"

There was also popular approval of Nazi rule if you recall.

 

[halik]

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: halik


Yeah a website ran from venezuale is bound to be unbiased, especially in light of the recent media shutdowns in that country. Read the articles in the Economist about Venezuela if you want some real insight.

The economist is majorly anti-chavez and has been one of the biggest sources for anti-chavez propaganda, hmm "The Economist" now I wonder why?

$5 says you've never read an issue.

seconded...

Even Amnesty International is worried about the erroding democracy under Chavez, not to mention the recent statements coming from the head of OAS.