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BrokenVisage

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Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Originally posted by: JonTheBaller
Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Originally posted by: Gobadgrs
Jeers Jeers for old Notre Lame.

No bowl wins since '94!
How sweet it is... maybe they should pick a conference and they could win the Emerald Walnut bowl haha...
That bowl doesn't exist. Nice try.
Hey ND fanboi, I was being facetious. It used to be called the Diamond Walnut Bowl, and Emerald makes NUTS. Just like ND sucks nuts and would give their left one just to get ANY bowl win. Better luck this year following the BITING IRISH. ;)

Hahahahaha, ok you cheesy little Terrapin, keep shooting your mouth off about not winning a bowl game since '94, I guess you have to compensate for your personal short-comings in life somehow. I bet you're all nice and pissed that they're good again and will be for the next decade now, so you have to vent a little and take the only shot at Notre Dame you can. No problem, seeing Quinn accept the Heisman trophy and play in the National Championship this year should shut you up good, too bad it's only August. We don't need you wishing us better luck this year either, the (BITING IRISH? :confused: ) are gonna take a bite out of the competition every Saturday.
 

brandonbull

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Originally posted by: BlancoNino
Originally posted by: ElFenix
Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Originally posted by: Codewiz
I believe after the first season under Willingham, the media was all over the story about how ND was back. Willingham was going to bring the program back.

THe media freakin LOVES ND.
Yeah they do. And how the hell ND makes the top five preseason coaches poll further proves that... they'll be lucky to finish in the top 5 with that schedule.

but tell me which team below them is likely better than them? sure, ND will probably take a loss or two because of their tough schedule. but the question you ask yourself as a pollster is if the team is the best team that could be ranked at that position?

now, obviously OU is going to fall off once the AP poll came out, as anyone who voted OU high in the coaches poll probably did so before rhett bomar was kicked off. then again, OU has a history of doing well with quarterbacks no one has ever heard of.

Washington is going to beat Oklahoma. They've never lost to Oklahoma.

OU is gonna need to play a highschool team to get a win. They don't have much in the way of a football team.

 

SP33Demon

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Originally posted by: BrokenVisage
Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Originally posted by: JonTheBaller
Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Originally posted by: Gobadgrs
Jeers Jeers for old Notre Lame.

No bowl wins since '94!
How sweet it is... maybe they should pick a conference and they could win the Emerald Walnut bowl haha...
That bowl doesn't exist. Nice try.
Hey ND fanboi, I was being facetious. It used to be called the Diamond Walnut Bowl, and Emerald makes NUTS. Just like ND sucks nuts and would give their left one just to get ANY bowl win. Better luck this year following the BITING IRISH. ;)

Hahahahaha, ok you cheesy little Terrapin, keep shooting your mouth off about not winning a bowl game since '94, I guess you have to compensate for your personal short-comings in life somehow. I bet you're all nice and pissed that they're good again and will be for the next decade now, so you have to vent a little and take the only shot at Notre Dame you can. No problem, seeing Quinn accept the Heisman trophy and play in the National Championship this year should shut you up good, too bad it's only August. We don't need you wishing us better luck this year either, the (BITING IRISH? :confused: ) are gonna take a bite out of the competition every Saturday.
Rofl, just like a ND fan not to know what Biting Irish means. Here's a clue: it means you suck, your program is overrated, and it's been over a decade since your last bowl win. Tell your sorry team to join a conference, oh wait I forgot ND is too greedy to share Bowl money with other teams, my bad!

And for the record, my favorite team isn't the Terps, I hate that team as well including their overweight tubolard coach. You should do your research before making assumptions: Text That's the third writer on espn.com (Pat Forde and Ivan Maisel as well picked them to go the title game and/or win it all), suck on that ND fanboi.

And for the record, Quinn isn't winning a g.dam thing, he's overrated fraud of a QB. Pat White is 10X more talented than that kid.
 

JonTheBaller

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Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Originally posted by: JonTheBaller
Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Originally posted by: Gobadgrs
Jeers Jeers for old Notre Lame.

No bowl wins since '94!
How sweet it is... maybe they should pick a conference and they could win the Emerald Walnut bowl haha...
That bowl doesn't exist. Nice try.
Hey ND fanboi, I was being facetious. It used to be called the Diamond Walnut Bowl, and Emerald makes NUTS. Just like ND sucks nuts and would give their left one just to get ANY bowl win. Better luck this year following the BITING IRISH. ;)
I could care less for the ND program, I'm just calling 'em like I see 'em, NOOB. Fact is, if you were such a college football expert, you'd be in my pick 'em pool (link in sig). But then again, you probably don't want to look like a NOOB - understood.
 

SP33Demon

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Originally posted by: JonTheBaller
Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Originally posted by: JonTheBaller
Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Originally posted by: Gobadgrs
Jeers Jeers for old Notre Lame.

No bowl wins since '94!
How sweet it is... maybe they should pick a conference and they could win the Emerald Walnut bowl haha...
That bowl doesn't exist. Nice try.
Hey ND fanboi, I was being facetious. It used to be called the Diamond Walnut Bowl, and Emerald makes NUTS. Just like ND sucks nuts and would give their left one just to get ANY bowl win. Better luck this year following the BITING IRISH. ;)
I could care less for the ND program, I'm just calling 'em like I see 'em, NOOB. Fact is, if you were such a college football expert, you'd be in my pick 'em pool (link in sig). But then again, you probably don't want to look like a NOOB - understood.
If I actually gave a dam about fantasy football (it's Dungeons and Dragons for wannabe jocks) I would join your silly lottery pool. Fact of the matter is, you just said "expert" and "pick em pool" in the same sentence, think about that one for a second.
 

JonTheBaller

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Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Originally posted by: JonTheBaller
Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Originally posted by: JonTheBaller
Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Originally posted by: Gobadgrs
Jeers Jeers for old Notre Lame.

No bowl wins since '94!
How sweet it is... maybe they should pick a conference and they could win the Emerald Walnut bowl haha...
That bowl doesn't exist. Nice try.
Hey ND fanboi, I was being facetious. It used to be called the Diamond Walnut Bowl, and Emerald makes NUTS. Just like ND sucks nuts and would give their left one just to get ANY bowl win. Better luck this year following the BITING IRISH. ;)
I could care less for the ND program, I'm just calling 'em like I see 'em, NOOB. Fact is, if you were such a college football expert, you'd be in my pick 'em pool (link in sig). But then again, you probably don't want to look like a NOOB - understood.
If I actually gave a dam about fantasy football (it's Dungeons and Dragons for wannabe jocks) I would join your silly lottery pool. Fact of the matter is, you just said "expert" and "pick em pool" in the same sentence, think about that one for a second.
Translation: I'm a soft ass bitch who doesn't want people to realize how little I know about college football.

Nice to meet you.
 

Special K

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Originally posted by: gregshin
Notre Dame, our Mother
Tender, strong and true
Proudly in the heavens,
Gleams thy gold and blue.
Glory's mantle cloaks thee
Golden is thy fame,
And our hearts forever,
Praise thee, Notre Dame.
And our hearts forever,
Love thee, Notre Dame.

:thumbsup:

 

Thraxen

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Originally posted by: SP33Demon
If I actually gave a dam about fantasy football (it's Dungeons and Dragons for wannabe jocks) I would join your silly lottery pool. Fact of the matter is, you just said "expert" and "pick em pool" in the same sentence, think about that one for a second.

I haven't entered yet, but I thought it was just a list of 20 games for which you pick who you think will win. If that's true then that's not fantasy football.
 

JonTheBaller

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Originally posted by: Thraxen
Originally posted by: SP33Demon
If I actually gave a dam about fantasy football (it's Dungeons and Dragons for wannabe jocks) I would join your silly lottery pool. Fact of the matter is, you just said "expert" and "pick em pool" in the same sentence, think about that one for a second.

I haven't entered yet, but I thought it was just a list of 20 games for which you pick who you think will win. If that's true then that's not fantasy football.
You're right, except it's 15 games not 20. Sp33demon is a hater :(
 

wyvrn

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Oh goody goody, I have been waiting for this thread to heat back up :evil:

This is a truly clueless post. I did not say that because team A beat team B, and team B beat team C, ... What I compared were 2 good football teams in an historic football game. USC was widely recognized as having the most explosive, balanced offense in quite some time (maybe ever in college FB). ND countered that with their own suprising offense, and the grit not to fold to the better team (yes I said USC was better, because last year they were). Of course the bowl game showed that ND needs more speed and athleticism on defense, but not every team h as Ohio States team speed anyway. It's not going to be an issue week to week, so ND has time to work on it.

Oh and about your second point about Belichick, etc.. I find that argument lame every time people use it. For example, Troy Aikman was overrated because he had Emmitt Smith and Michael Irvin. Well duh! Good players need other good players around them in order to elevate their teams. Did Jordan win all those titles by himself? Nearly, but he had Pippen and a host of role players who did what they did really well. Duncan with the Spurs had Robinson, and then Ginobli and Parker. The Steelers in football had the killer team defense, great QB, and great receiver. Its a team sport, and that is stupid-ass lame argument. Weiss came great beacuse of the tutelage of the people around him, and how he is taking that knowledge and leading a good team. You don't learn how to win on your own.

Originally posted by: aswedc
Originally posted by: wyvrn
The fact they could even hang with USC last year was stunning, and hence the reason most knowledgeable football analysts believe the sky is the limit under Weiss. In a couple of years he will have his own players, a legitimate and very productive pro system, and this will all beget better recruiting classes in the future.
Anyone who is a "knowledgeable football analyst" or who has an "understanding of major collegiate athletics" would know you just can't use logic like that. UC Davis beat Stanford. Stanford - Notre Dame was a one touchdown game. I guess UC Davis is almost as good as Notre Dame huh? Wrong!

On any given Saturday any one team can beat any other. College football history is littered with huge upsets. What makes teams elite is an ability to perform at a high level every single week. And Notre Dame hasn't demonstrated that in over a decade, including under Weis.

Oh, and about Weis - how much of his success is attributable to Belichick? How much to Brady? It's a bit early to declare him a great coach when he has yet to prove anything on his own.

 

JonTheBaller

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Originally posted by: Thraxen
I plan to enter BTW. When's the deadline to make the picks?
1 hour before the first game. The first day is sept 9, so you have quite a bit of time.
 

wyvrn

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Uhh yeah.. His stats and performance speak otherwise. He was an improving QB even before Weiss got there. I love reading your posts because you make these outlandish claims that just kill your credibility.

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Originally posted by: BrokenVisage
Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Originally posted by: JonTheBaller
Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Originally posted by: Gobadgrs
Jeers Jeers for old Notre Lame.

No bowl wins since '94!
How sweet it is... maybe they should pick a conference and they could win the Emerald Walnut bowl haha...
That bowl doesn't exist. Nice try.
Hey ND fanboi, I was being facetious. It used to be called the Diamond Walnut Bowl, and Emerald makes NUTS. Just like ND sucks nuts and would give their left one just to get ANY bowl win. Better luck this year following the BITING IRISH. ;)


And for the record, Quinn isn't winning a g.dam thing, he's overrated fraud of a QB. Pat White is 10X more talented than that kid.
 

SP33Demon

Lifer
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Originally posted by: JonTheBaller
Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Originally posted by: JonTheBaller
Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Originally posted by: JonTheBaller
Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Originally posted by: Gobadgrs
Jeers Jeers for old Notre Lame.

No bowl wins since '94!
How sweet it is... maybe they should pick a conference and they could win the Emerald Walnut bowl haha...
That bowl doesn't exist. Nice try.
Hey ND fanboi, I was being facetious. It used to be called the Diamond Walnut Bowl, and Emerald makes NUTS. Just like ND sucks nuts and would give their left one just to get ANY bowl win. Better luck this year following the BITING IRISH. ;)
I could care less for the ND program, I'm just calling 'em like I see 'em, NOOB. Fact is, if you were such a college football expert, you'd be in my pick 'em pool (link in sig). But then again, you probably don't want to look like a NOOB - understood.
If I actually gave a dam about fantasy football (it's Dungeons and Dragons for wannabe jocks) I would join your silly lottery pool. Fact of the matter is, you just said "expert" and "pick em pool" in the same sentence, think about that one for a second.
Translation: I'm a soft ass bitch who doesn't want people to realize how little I know about college football.

Nice to meet you.
I prefer not to waste my time with something that takes no skill nor knowledge to win. You have too much time on your hands, three words: Get. A. Life. There's more to life than playing wannabe jock Dungeons and Dragons your entire life. Nice meeting you too. ;)

PS: Yep I'm a ND hater. Say hi to the bad guy!

 

SP33Demon

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Originally posted by: wyvrn
Uhh yeah.. His stats and performance speak otherwise. He was an improving QB even before Weiss got there. I love reading your posts because you make these outlandish claims that just kill your credibility.
I bet you said the same thing about Gino Torretta. That incredible -32 yards rushing in last year's Fiesta was awesome! Or how about that wicked 58.6% completion in the Insight Bowl the year before?

Hell, even Torretta won the Orange Bowl before getting blown out the next year by Bama, if Quinn loses his Bowl game this year he would officially be elevated to a choker status.

 

wyvrn

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Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Originally posted by: wyvrn
Uhh yeah.. His stats and performance speak otherwise. He was an improving QB even before Weiss got there. I love reading your posts because you make these outlandish claims that just kill your credibility.
I bet you said the same thing about Gino Torretta. That incredible -32 yards rushing in last year's Fiesta was awesome! Or how about that wicked 58.6% completion in the Insight Bowl the year before?

Hell, even Torretta won the Orange Bowl before getting blown out the next year by Bama, if Quinn loses his Bowl game this year he would officially be elevated to a choker status.

If you want to put last year's bowl loss on Quinn's shoulders, that is fine (even though QB is one position of 11 on offense). But I have a feeling Quinn's career is about to explode. We will see this year.

Oh and about FF, I used to feel the same way for years until I got involved. Now I run 2 leagues this year and particpate in 2 more. As a fan, it's another way to get involved. That doesn't mean I don't take the game seriously, I always will. But if I can't be a pro-athlete, FF is the next best thing.
 

SP33Demon

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Originally posted by: wyvrn
Oh goody goody, I have been waiting for this thread to heat back up :evil:

This is a truly clueless post. I did not say that because team A beat team B, and team B beat team C, ... What I compared were 2 good football teams in an historic football game. USC was widely recognized as having the most explosive, balanced offense in quite some time (maybe ever in college FB). ND countered that with their own suprising offense, and the grit not to fold to the better team (yes I said USC was better, because last year they were). Of course the bowl game showed that ND needs more speed and athleticism on defense, but not every team h as Ohio States team speed anyway. It's not going to be an issue week to week, so ND has time to work on it.

Oh and about your second point about Belichick, etc.. I find that argument lame every time people use it. For example, Troy Aikman was overrated because he had Emmitt Smith and Michael Irvin. Well duh! Good players need other good players around them in order to elevate their teams. Did Jordan win all those titles by himself? Nearly, but he had Pippen and a host of role players who did what they did really well. Duncan with the Spurs had Robinson, and then Ginobli and Parker. The Steelers in football had the killer team defense, great QB, and great receiver. Its a team sport, and that is stupid-ass lame argument. Weiss came great beacuse of the tutelage of the people around him, and how he is taking that knowledge and leading a good team. You don't learn how to win on your own.
First off, you have 8,671 posts and don't know how to quote properly. WTH?

2nd, yes Notre Dame has a big hole at the LB position which they still haven't addressed. They lost their starting TE which which slightly hurts their O.

3rd, USC's defense was overrated and made Notre Dame's O look good in that game. Ohio State exposed them for the frauds they are, especially exploiting ND's O-Line (and don't forget MD has now lost a starting tackle too).

4th, I agree that it takes a great team to win, and not just one person. But aswedc is correct when he says that Weis hasn't proven that he can lead ND to play at a high level of success. Especially given that ND is almost always in the top 10 recruiting classes in the nation for the past X amount of years, it's sad that they can't win a Bowl game. Give Rich Rodriguez (WVU) the recruiting that ND gets and he easily wins a national title, he wins by taking subpar recruits and making them better and winning with an unorthodox offense (spread). The most recent coaches from ND haven't done much with the exceptional talent they've been given, it's a fact. Weis has been no different so far.
 

wyvrn

Lifer
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Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Originally posted by: wyvrn
Oh goody goody, I have been waiting for this thread to heat back up :evil:

This is a truly clueless post. I did not say that because team A beat team B, and team B beat team C, ... What I compared were 2 good football teams in an historic football game. USC was widely recognized as having the most explosive, balanced offense in quite some time (maybe ever in college FB). ND countered that with their own suprising offense, and the grit not to fold to the better team (yes I said USC was better, because last year they were). Of course the bowl game showed that ND needs more speed and athleticism on defense, but not every team h as Ohio States team speed anyway. It's not going to be an issue week to week, so ND has time to work on it.

Oh and about your second point about Belichick, etc.. I find that argument lame every time people use it. For example, Troy Aikman was overrated because he had Emmitt Smith and Michael Irvin. Well duh! Good players need other good players around them in order to elevate their teams. Did Jordan win all those titles by himself? Nearly, but he had Pippen and a host of role players who did what they did really well. Duncan with the Spurs had Robinson, and then Ginobli and Parker. The Steelers in football had the killer team defense, great QB, and great receiver. Its a team sport, and that is stupid-ass lame argument. Weiss came great beacuse of the tutelage of the people around him, and how he is taking that knowledge and leading a good team. You don't learn how to win on your own.
First off, you have 8,671 posts and don't know how to quote properly. WTH?

2nd, yes Notre Dame has a big hole at the LB position which they still haven't addressed. They lost their starting TE which which slightly hurts their O.

3rd, USC's defense was overrated and made Notre Dame's O look good in that game. Ohio State exposed them for the frauds they are, especially exploiting ND's O-Line (and they lost a starting tackle too).

4th, I agree that it takes a great team to win, and not just one person. But aswedc is correct when he says that Weis hasn't proven that he can lead ND to play at a high level of success. Especially given that ND is almost always in the top 10 recruiting classes in the nation for the past X amount of years, it's sad that they can't win a Bowl game. Give Rich Rodriguez (WVU) the recruiting that ND gets and he easily wins a national title, he wins by taking subpar recruits and making them better and winning with an unorthodox offense (spread). The most recent coaches from ND haven't done much with the exceptional talent they've been given, it's a fact. Weis has been no different so far.


ND's recruiting classes have not been top 10 consistently over the past decade. That's part of the problem, talent has been going elsewhere. But with Weiss aboard running a proven pro system, commitments of top offensive talents should increase. Defense on the other hand might be a problem..

I don't think USC defense was overrated, I never thought they had one :D ND defense has some issue and I think everyone knows it. However, even Rich Rodriguez is quoted in a recent article on ESPN that defense doesn't win championships, balance does. So as long as ND can have a decent defense and special teams, they should have a chance.

As far as Weiss, he has proven more than any of the other coaches offered up in this thread so far, at a higher level in the pros. While we shouldn't put him in the same class as Joe Paterno and Bobby Bowden, he clearly has the pedigree deserving of the attention. Now he just has to prove it.

What's wrong with my quoting? I quoted exactly what I meant to quote, thank you. I dislike the super long thread caused by less judicious quoting practices.
 

JonTheBaller

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Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Originally posted by: JonTheBaller
Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Originally posted by: JonTheBaller
Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Originally posted by: JonTheBaller
Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Originally posted by: Gobadgrs
Jeers Jeers for old Notre Lame.

No bowl wins since '94!
How sweet it is... maybe they should pick a conference and they could win the Emerald Walnut bowl haha...
That bowl doesn't exist. Nice try.
Hey ND fanboi, I was being facetious. It used to be called the Diamond Walnut Bowl, and Emerald makes NUTS. Just like ND sucks nuts and would give their left one just to get ANY bowl win. Better luck this year following the BITING IRISH. ;)
I could care less for the ND program, I'm just calling 'em like I see 'em, NOOB. Fact is, if you were such a college football expert, you'd be in my pick 'em pool (link in sig). But then again, you probably don't want to look like a NOOB - understood.
If I actually gave a dam about fantasy football (it's Dungeons and Dragons for wannabe jocks) I would join your silly lottery pool. Fact of the matter is, you just said "expert" and "pick em pool" in the same sentence, think about that one for a second.
Translation: I'm a soft ass bitch who doesn't want people to realize how little I know about college football.

Nice to meet you.
I prefer not to waste my time with something that takes no skill nor knowledge to win. You have too much time on your hands, three words: Get. A. Life. There's more to life than playing wannabe jock Dungeons and Dragons your entire life. Nice meeting you too. ;)

PS: Yep I'm a ND hater. Say hi to the bad guy!
This is coming from the retard who doesn't know the difference between fantasy football and picking winners of college football games. Hey, let's judge people because we don't like their hobbies! You get a life, Mr. Soft Ass Poser
 

aswedc

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Originally posted by: wyvrn
Oh goody goody, I have been waiting for this thread to heat back up :evil:

This is a truly clueless post. I did not say that because team A beat team B, and team B beat team C, ... What I compared were 2 good football teams in an historic football game. USC was widely recognized as having the most explosive, balanced offense in quite some time (maybe ever in college FB). ND countered that with their own suprising offense, and the grit not to fold to the better team (yes I said USC was better, because last year they were). Of course the bowl game showed that ND needs more speed and athleticism on defense, but not every team h as Ohio States team speed anyway. It's not going to be an issue week to week, so ND has time to work on it.
Wow, you lack any logical ability whatsoever. You used the performance in one single game as evidence to prove Notre Dame is a good football team. I used two single games to prove Notre Dame is as bad as UC Davis. There is no difference, and it demonstrates how stupid it is to judge a team by anything but the big picture, where Notre Dame fails.

I'm not even going to touch your stupid Weiss argument. With that kind of logic, every assistant coach and waterboy on the 2005 Steelers team should be given a head coach position tomorrow :roll:
 

Thraxen

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Originally posted by: SP33Demon
I prefer not to waste my time with something that takes no skill nor knowledge to win. You have too much time on your hands, three words: Get. A. Life. There's more to life than playing wannabe jock Dungeons and Dragons your entire life. Nice meeting you too. ;)

PS: Yep I'm a ND hater. Say hi to the bad guy!

You're really not making much sense today. This pick'em game is really no different than filling out an NCAA March Madness bracket. It isn't even remotely close to D&D :confused:

And, sure, you could fill it out randomly and you might get lucky and win... but some knowledge of college football would go a long way in improving your odds.

I have a feeling that you realize that everything I just said is true, but at this point you're just being ass for the hell of it.
 

Whisper

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I'm no expert by far, but I'd say Weiss is a good coach. Lots of people get disproportionate amounts of media attention and end up hated for it (Michael Vick, anyone?), but it's not generally that person's fault. I'm not going to blame Weiss and say he's over-hyped simply because the media loves him.

Oh, and Go Dawgs, Sic' Em. :)
 

wyvrn

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Originally posted by: aswedc
Originally posted by: wyvrn
Oh goody goody, I have been waiting for this thread to heat back up :evil:

This is a truly clueless post. I did not say that because team A beat team B, and team B beat team C, ... What I compared were 2 good football teams in an historic football game. USC was widely recognized as having the most explosive, balanced offense in quite some time (maybe ever in college FB). ND countered that with their own suprising offense, and the grit not to fold to the better team (yes I said USC was better, because last year they were). Of course the bowl game showed that ND needs more speed and athleticism on defense, but not every team h as Ohio States team speed anyway. It's not going to be an issue week to week, so ND has time to work on it.
Wow, you lack any logical ability whatsoever. You used the performance in one single game as evidence to prove Notre Dame is a good football team. I used two single games to prove Notre Dame is as bad as UC Davis. There is no difference, and it demonstrates how stupid it is to judge a team by anything but the big picture, where Notre Dame fails.

I'm not even going to touch your stupid Weiss argument. With that kind of logic, every assistant coach and waterboy on the 2005 Steelers team should be given a head coach position tomorrow :roll:

Saying ND and UC Davis in the same sentence proves what an amateur you are. It's anti-ND and nothing else. Try being objective.

Weiss was one of the most respected assistants in the pro game. In his first season, he took one of the premier college programs into prominence. People are making stupid arguments in this thread. Just give it up. Wait until the end of the season and let's talk more about ND and Weiss.
 

aswedc

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Originally posted by: wyvrn
Saying ND and UC Davis in the same sentence proves what an amateur you are. It's anti-ND and nothing else. Try being objective.

Weiss was one of the most respected assistants in the pro game. In his first season, he took one of the premier college programs into prominence. People are making stupid arguments in this thread. Just give it up. Wait until the end of the season and let's talk more about ND and Weiss.
You know, I didn't care about Notre Dame at all until the rabid fans started declaring them a national contender after having the first halfway decent season in a decade.

But sure, I'll wait for the games to be played. Let me know if you'd be interested in a friendly bet - $50 ND loses 3 or more.