Charlie Rangel (D - NY) thinks "white cra*ker" is a "term of endearment"

[HTFOff]

That's why all I can do is laugh at this point.

I had a laugh myself.

I'll go out on a limb and predict Mr. Steamer will NOT be inviting me to his christmas dinner party.

Shucks.

 

[Newell Steamer]

I had a laugh myself.

I'll go out on a limb and predict Mr. Steamer will NOT be inviting me to his christmas dinner party.

Shucks.

Sorry - mud covered feet aren't allowed in my home.

But, if you hose them down, you're more than welcome to come in and have a few beers.

:biggrin:

 

[HTFOff]

Sorry - mud covered feet aren't allowed in my home.

But, if you hose them down, you're more than welcome to come in and have a few beers.

:biggrin:

I may take you up on that offer. But only if you have an extra adult sized chair, as my big ass won't be able to sit at the kids table with you. :biggrin:

:thumbsup:

 

[hal2kilo]

He discredited himself several years ago. Just goes to show what can happen to a person who runs unchallenged election after election.

 

[zinfamous]

Porch.

It's not a dirty word.

seriously? this is what you are going with?

 

[cubby1223]

seriously? this is what you are going with?

Yes.

Yesterday I grabbed a box of crackers from the kitchen cabinet and sat out on the front porch eating them. Do you have any problems with that?

If cracker is not a dirty word, neither is porch.

And if you believe porch is a dirty word, then you shouldn't be throwing the word cracker around with a sense of entitlement.

 

[zinfamous]

Yes.

Yesterday I grabbed a box of crackers from the kitchen cabinet and sat out on the front porch eating them. Do you have any problems with that?

If cracker is not a dirty word, neither is porch.

so you're just going to continue ignoring how your deliberate choice of words in one phrase, to compare to the other phrase, renders you a fool for trying to make such a silly argument?

carry on, I guess.

 

[cubby1223]

so you're just going to continue ignoring how your deliberate choice of words in one phrase, to compare to the other phrase, renders you a fool for trying to make such a silly argument?

carry on, I guess.

My argument to Shortylicken's comment was that yes, many words are fine, normal, non-offensive every day words on their own, but when used in certain contexts no longer are. And, just because a particular word may not be offensive to you, doesn't mean it's not offensive to any else. Cracker is one such word. Porch is another.

Please do tell me what part of that you disagree with?

But that's a side-discussion. The bottom line in all this, Rangel is an old, out of touch individual doing the nation a disservice with the comments he makes. Part of the job of creating a better future is we all have to be more respectful of each other. Rangel is acting in the complete opposite direction there. I will not miss him when he leaves congress.

 

[Newell Steamer]

I may take you up on that offer. But only if you have an extra adult sized chair, as my big ass won't be able to sit at the kids table with you. :biggrin:

:thumbsup:

No worries - NYC sex offender laws wouldn't allow you to get that close to the children to begin with.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

My argument to Shortylicken's comment was that yes, many words are fine, normal, non-offensive every day words on their own, but when used in certain contexts no longer are. And, just because a particular word may not be offensive to you, doesn't mean it's not offensive to any else. Cracker is one such word. Porch is another.

Please do tell me what part of that you disagree with?

I disagree with the part where you seem to think "porch" can ever be used on its own as a racial slur.

 

[werepossum]

Nobody is busy defending him, because there's no need. If someone with an R behind their name had used a racial slur, the media would be all over it and it would be a big story, and he'd be forced to apologize and so forth. Since it's one of their fellow libs, the media will not make a big deal out of Rangel's racism, and no defense is needed.

Not only is he not contrite or apologetic, Rangel continues to double down on his racist statements and behavior, and continues to get a pass.

Agreed, but I'll defend him. While Rangel is a joke now, he once was an authentic American hero - at a time when America did not much value him because of his skin color. As Congresscritters go, at least he once was the real deal, even if he's now slipped to the bottom of even that barrel. And besides, as a racial slur "cracker" is a joke.

My favorite Rangel faux pas was when he recently accused Republicans of acting as though they had won the Civil War.

 

[werepossum]

Are you unaware of this?

A politically motivated indictment does not make one a criminal, it makes one a politician with political enemies willing to stoop as low as necessary to win.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_B._Rangel[/QUOTE]

No offense meant, but you sound like a complete fool.

NOBODY questions Rangel's tax fraud going back years. Like, really? You're saying because he wasn't convicted that he's clean?

Let me give you something to read, maybe you'll pick up on things.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1210/45883.html

He has committed amazingly blatant tax evasion, including possessing no less than four rent-controlled apartments when he was legally restricted to one.

 

[cubby1223]

I disagree with the part where you seem to think "porch" can ever be used on its own as a racial slur.

If the contextual usage provides an implied monkey at the end, is it not a racial slur?

What point are you trying to make? That nothing is wrong with Rangel's comments? If that's what you believe then say it and be done with it.

To start up an argument because a comparison is not dead on perfect? That's what naggers do, and I don't mean the South Park reference, I just mean it's annoying and unproductive.

nag1
naɡ/
verb: nag; 3rd person present: nags; past tense: nagged; past participle: nagged; gerund or present participle: nagging

1.
annoy or irritate (a person) with persistent fault-finding or continuous urging.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

If the contextual usage provides an implied monkey at the end, is it not a racial slur?

What point are you trying to make? That nothing is wrong with Rangel's comments? If that's what you believe then say it and be done with it.

Your contention was that neither "cracker" nor "porch" are racial slurs on their own, it's the context of use. But "cracker" can be used on its own as a racial slur; "porch" can't. "Porch monkey" is a (decidedly racist) phrase that can't ever be used in a non-racist way, unlike "cracker," so it really doesn't serve as a good example for the point you were trying to make.

I'm not going to defend Rangel's comments, because I think he's a corrupt idiot, but I also think bickering about semantics as though "cracker" is somehow every bit as bad a racial slur as basically any other racial slur in existence is absurd.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

I'd rather to be called a Saltine than a White Cracker.

 

[werepossum]

I'd rather to be called a Saltine than a White Cracker.

Hey Rangel, that's Saltine American to you, you mother hugger.

 

[MagickMan]

Because the bold part happens pretty much every week - however, not specific or exclusive to racism, but more like something stupid,... every. Fucking. Week.

Compared to you saying something stupid... Every. Fucking. Post?

 

[Fern]

Yes. "If" the term comes from the guy cracking the whip. There were black slaves used to oversee other slaves.

That's not the origin of the term "cracker". It pre-dates, by far, slaves in the South of USA etc. and was used in Old England.

It's basically from a Middle English term (IIRC, craic) and was used as a slur against the Celts. It usage was brought here when the Scots-Irish immigrated to the South.

But it turns out cracker's roots go back even further than the 17th century. All the way back to the age of Shakespeare, at least.

"It's a beautiful quote, but it was a character trait that was used to describe a group of Celtic immigrants — Scots-Irish people who came to the Americas who were running from political circumstances in the old world," Ste. Claire said. Those Scots-Irish folks started settling the Carolinas, and later moved deeper South and into Florida and Georgia.

But the disparaging term followed these immigrants, who were thought by local officials to be unruly and ill-mannered.

"In official documents, the governor of Florida said, 'We don't know what to do with these crackers — we tell them to settle this area and they don't; we tell them not to settle this area and they do," Ste. Claire said. "They lived off the land. They were rogues."

http://www.npr.org/blogs/codeswitch/2013/07/01/197644761/word-watch-on-crackers

Fern

 

[highland145]

That's not the origin of the term "cracker". It pre-dates, by far, slaves in the South of USA etc. and was used in Old England.

It's basically from a Middle English term (IIRC, craic) and was used as a slur against the Celts. It usage was brought here when the Scots-Irish immigrated to the South.



http://www.npr.org/blogs/codeswitch/2013/07/01/197644761/word-watch-on-crackers

Fern

Thanks, Fern. Hats off to you, as always.

Heh, Scots-Irish here via the mid west orphan trains.

I'll probably still stick with my usage because they change over time. Call me hard headed.......I've been called worse.

 

[HomerJS]

New York.... Need I say more?

" White Cracker " does this imply that there are possibly Black Crackers also?

I hate this fvcker. He is one of the main reasons we do have racism. Also those other two black race baiting pieces of Sh1t.

LOL!! Charlie Rangel is responsible for racism!!!

NEWS FLASH! Once Charlie dies, racism is over!

 

[pcgeek11]

LOL!! Charlie Rangel is responsible for racism!!!

NEWS FLASH! Once Charlie dies, racism is over!

Rangel, Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton are all racist POS and they actually make a job of it. They continue to stir the pot with no need and call racism when it isn't, just to get in the news and stir things up.

If those three idiots would just disappear the race relations in this country would improve by a huge amount.

 

[piasabird]

The opposite of white cracker is ignorant ******.

 

[piasabird]

How come it blanks out word for black man but white cracker is acceptable?

 

[Atomic Playboy]

How come it blanks out word for black man but white cracker is acceptable?

... Seriously?

 

[thraashman]

How come it blanks out word for black man but white cracker is acceptable?

So you're telling me you want to get some Ritz *********'s?

I'm just tell you that you're an idiot and make things easier.