Charges Dropped Against Jame Yee

[Witling]

All charges dropped against the Guantanamo Chaplain, James Yee. Army claims it's because they don't want to reveal classified information. Yee's lawyer says, BS!

CNN Link

There will be an administrative hearing about adultry and pornography.

 

[sandorski]

Shocking, not.

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: Witling


There will be an administrative hearing about adultry and pornography.

Administrative Hearings by this Administration are A JOKE!

A Bipartisan Panel?
Probing the 9/11 intelligence commission
By TIMOTHY J. BURGER



Sunday, Mar. 14, 2004
The Blue-Ribbon panel named by George W. Bush to study intelligence prior to the Iraq war has been billed as a bipartisan effort to get answers. But how evenhanded will it be? A TIME examination of the panel members' backgrounds reveals a web of sticky connections to the Bush team and, in one case, an alleged lack of investigative curiosity. The nine-member panel is co-chaired by a Democrat, former Senator Charles Robb, and includes at least one proven maverick, Senator John McCain, who was put there, according to an official, to provide "instant credibility." But retired U.S. appellate court Judge Laurence Silberman, the panel co-chair, is a Nixon-era friend of Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld's and Vice President Dick Cheney's. Panel member Henry Rowen, a Hoover Institution scholar and former Rand Corp. president, worked under Cheney at the Pentagon during the first Gulf War. In September 1990, with Cheney's backing, Rowen cooked up Operation Scorpion, a secret plan to invade Iraq from the west, go all the way to Baghdad and topple Saddam. (The plan went nowhere.) Another panel member, former CIA deputy director William Studeman, now with Northrop Grumman, contributed $250 to candidate Bush's campaign in 2000. His wife gave the Bush re-election committee $500 just a week before her husband was named to the panel last month.

Panel member Charles Vest, president of M.I.T., has been accused by a colleague of being slow to investigate allegations of fraud at a lab that does missile-defense work for the Pentagon. Ted Postol, an M.I.T. professor of technology and national security, says Vest was told in 2001 about allegations that officials at the school's Lincoln Laboratory misled federal investigators about the failure of a key test of the U.S. missile-defense system ? a top Bush priority. Postol claims that Vest "did not take action," even though he "knew there were potential criminal violations and scientific fraud." A spokesman for M.I.T., which received $726 million in federal work in 2003, said any suggestion that Vest ignored the claims is "categorically untrue."

Questions of objectivity won't be resolved until the panel completes its task. Five weeks after being appointed, the group has not met, and it is unclear when it will.
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1101040322-600885,00.html

 

[Pepsei]

So, they really don't have anything on him?

 

[Jhhnn]

So, they really don't have anything on him?

Never did. Basic McCarthyesque Witch Hunt. Get used to it, if you're voting Republican...

 

[Jhhnn]

And I do dearly love the charges about porn and infidelity... Porn is a soldier's best friend, other than his weapon, and is as old as the profession itself, a very necessary ingredient to the maintenance of sanity. Adultery? get real... American military men have been a major force in the advancement of sex for money everywhere there's a foreign base full of horny men and a surfeit of American women. It's expected behavior, kinda like breathing... Gitmo is different, however- no camp followers outside the gates, and the boys can't go there, even if there were... But if those stationed there find some solace in each other, it's a scandal, a travesty, I tell ya...

 

[UltraQuiet]

Originally posted by: Jhhnn
And I do dearly love the charges about porn and infidelity... Porn is a soldier's best friend, other than his weapon, and is as old as the profession itself, a very necessary ingredient to the maintenance of sanity. Adultery? get real... American military men have been a major force in the advancement of sex for money everywhere there's a foreign base full of horny men and a surfeit of American women. It's expected behavior, kinda like breathing... Gitmo is different, however- no camp followers outside the gates, and the boys can't go there, even if there were... But if those stationed there find some solace in each other, it's a scandal, a travesty, I tell ya...

More ignorant blathering by someone who doesn't have clue one about anything that does or does not go on in the .mil. The jack and suck you seek is over at Ars. Go back there. Stay there.

 

[Jhhnn]

Aww, Ultra Quiet, did I hit a nerve? Ruffle some of that fine self righteous uber right plumage? Do you have some argument to make, some firsthand experience, something other than derision to add to the conversation? Possibly something with a vague connection to content or reality?

And, of course, you make the usual reference to Ars, probably because you were banned... not that anybody would find your comments offensive, empty, or lacking in common decency or good sense... Only the most loosely moderated forums will tolerate your brand of invective, precisely because you conribute nothing other than rancor and personal attack.

Or has the consumption of an overdose of right wing talk show vitriol finally sent you over the edge, convinced you that overt displays of baseless rage are indeed a good thing, a proper way to carry your point, rather than something illustrative of a lack of character and non-application of deductive reasoning? Have you no shame whatsoever, no purpose other than winning by any means necessary?

Depravity, sir, comes in many forms, and if I found myself as desperately afflicted as you seem to be, I'd just blow my brains out...

 

[UltraQuiet]

Do you have some argument to make, some firsthand experience, something other than derision to add to the conversation? Possibly something with a vague connection to content or reality?

Yes, I do. I'm waiting for you to go first. Whenever you're ready. Or able.

And, of course, you make the usual reference to Ars, probably because you were banned... not that anybody would find your comments offensive, empty, or lacking in common decency or good sense... Only the most loosely moderated forums will tolerate your brand of invective, precisely because you conribute nothing other than rancor and personal attack.

Not banned, subscription ran out. It's good that the he/she is no longer moderating over there but it's too little too late. I still post in the non subscription areas but I will not give "Cesaer" a dime of my money after he refused to take action when a moderator accessed my personal info to find out who I was. Fsck him. Ars has turned into a ultra liberal, pretentious circle jerk where the moderation consists of locking anything that didn't fit the aforementioned moderators preconceived version of the truth. The "Soap Box" is a joke and so are you and most of the rest of the people that post there.

Or has the consumption of an overdose of right wing talk show vitriol finally sent you over the edge, convinced you that overt displays of baseless rage are indeed a good thing, a proper way to carry your point, rather than something illustrative of a lack of character and non-application of deductive reasoning? Have you no shame whatsoever, no purpose other than winning by any means necessary?

More ignorant double talk and blathering about nothing.

Depravity, sir, comes in many forms, and if I found myself as desperately afflicted as you seem to be, I'd just blow my brains out...

Unfortunately for you, you're not me otherwise you'd have enough sense not to post about things you don't have a clue about and you'd actually have a brain to "blow out". Now off to Ars or your NAMBLA meeting where you do your real blowing. Your 1960's outlook on all things political, social, military, etc. is in bad need of an upgrade. Since it also appears that's the last time you had a coherent thought, if then, we won't hold our breath waiting for your return to reality.

 

[burnedout]

Originally posted by: Jhhnn
And I do dearly love the charges about porn and infidelity... Porn is a soldier's best friend, other than his weapon, and is as old as the profession itself, a very necessary ingredient to the maintenance of sanity.

Overblown conjecture. There have numerous studies indicating that soldiers (sailors, marines, airmen) maintain this "sanity" because of peer pressure and solid leadership.

Adultery? get real... American military men have been a major force in the advancement of sex for money everywhere there's a foreign base full of horny men and a surfeit of American women. It's expected behavior, kinda like breathing... Gitmo is different, however- no camp followers outside the gates, and the boys can't go there, even if there were... But if those stationed there find some solace in each other, it's a scandal, a travesty, I tell ya...

Screwing another servicemember's wife isn't a goddamned travesty? Violating ethical conduct isn't a scandal? While "adultery" could be considered as overlooked within the confines of the military, we typically expect more from commissioned officers.

You are dismissed.

 

[mastertech01]

The US Military expects more from everyone, and especially Comissioned Officers. But you have to consider 2 million soldiers from every walk of life, many of which arent even US citizens will have its bad apples. Ethical behavior standards are established and enforced from the top down. The leaders are expected to be held accountable above all others. You cant expect the privates to train the leadership and set the standards. The young are the impressional ones who look up to thier leaders for guidance and look to them to set an example for thier behavior.

Conduct unbecoming is a very serious offense in itself, and must be appropriately enforced by leadership who follows the set standard. Once you corrupt the standard by excusing the leadership enforcement is impossible.

 

[StormRider]

Originally posted by: burnedout

Originally posted by: Jhhnn
And I do dearly love the charges about porn and infidelity... Porn is a soldier's best friend, other than his weapon, and is as old as the profession itself, a very necessary ingredient to the maintenance of sanity.

Overblown conjecture. There have numerous studies indicating that soldiers (sailors, marines, airmen) maintain this "sanity" because of peer pressure and solid leadership.

Adultery? get real... American military men have been a major force in the advancement of sex for money everywhere there's a foreign base full of horny men and a surfeit of American women. It's expected behavior, kinda like breathing... Gitmo is different, however- no camp followers outside the gates, and the boys can't go there, even if there were... But if those stationed there find some solace in each other, it's a scandal, a travesty, I tell ya...

Screwing another servicemember's wife isn't a goddamned travesty? Violating ethical conduct isn't a scandal? While "adultery" could be considered as overlooked within the confines of the military, we typically expect more from commissioned officers.

You are dismissed.

What was more surprising is that he is an Iman. So I guess Islamic "priests" are just like normal guys -- they like porn and are horny too. I wonder what Islamic porn would be like?
:Q

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: StormRider

Originally posted by: burnedout

Originally posted by: Jhhnn
And I do dearly love the charges about porn and infidelity... Porn is a soldier's best friend, other than his weapon, and is as old as the profession itself, a very necessary ingredient to the maintenance of sanity.

Overblown conjecture. There have numerous studies indicating that soldiers (sailors, marines, airmen) maintain this "sanity" because of peer pressure and solid leadership.

Adultery? get real... American military men have been a major force in the advancement of sex for money everywhere there's a foreign base full of horny men and a surfeit of American women. It's expected behavior, kinda like breathing... Gitmo is different, however- no camp followers outside the gates, and the boys can't go there, even if there were... But if those stationed there find some solace in each other, it's a scandal, a travesty, I tell ya...

Screwing another servicemember's wife isn't a goddamned travesty? Violating ethical conduct isn't a scandal? While "adultery" could be considered as overlooked within the confines of the military, we typically expect more from commissioned officers.

You are dismissed.

What was more surprising is that he is an Iman. So I guess Islamic "priests" are just like normal guys -- they like porn and are horny too. I wonder what Islamic porn would be like?
:Q

Could be worse, could be like a Catholic Priest!

 

[Jhhnn]

So, uhh, what's happening to the servicemember who screwed another woman's husband? Takes two, last time I checked...

The point, I think, is that what started out as a "major breach of national security" turns out to be a tempest in a teapot, but they're still breaking the guy's chops, apparently because he took his job seriously, because he apparently refused to further dehumanize the people he was charged with counseling.

And, yeh, Mastertech01, you're right, and appropriate enforcement is utterly reasonable. That's usually tempered by a basic understanding of circumstances and human nature. Yee's alleged misconduct in no way excuses the conduct of our own government in this or the entire Gitmo fiasco, however.