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trmiv

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Originally posted by: WelshBloke
Originally posted by: DLeRium
Originally posted by: halik
That's why DOJ is doing a probe on their business. No way can that industry be competitive when the data rates have 1000000% margin. Text messages cost virtually no money, yet they charge 10 cents.

Isn't it 20 cents now? 10 cents was a dream before. I wouldn't get a texting plan because on average I used just shy of 50 texts. After the jacked up rate to 15 cents I dove in but I also texted a lot more. Now at 20 cents, $5 for 200 is a steal.

Originally posted by: Safeway
Originally posted by: rivan
Originally posted by: SunSamurai
If you knew how often this happens youd be a bit more pissed at the phone companies. $0.015 per KB is extortion no matter how you slice it.

It's as bad as $.20/text or whatever they cost now.

The worst part about texts is that you get charged for sending and receiving. That is double charging for every text!

FURTHER, you have to pay for unsolicited texts sent from spammers and the Obama campaign!

Charge for sent texts only: Fair.
Charge for received texts only: Unfair.
CHARGE FOR BOTH?! WHAT THE FUCK. SUE.

Makes sense to me though. It's just like calls. You get charged for incoming and outgoing calls (in terms of minutes). I suppose it would be nice if you could reject texts easily and NOT get charged, but charging both ways.... it's logical. Not all texts deserve a reply. You can text someone saying meet noon @ starbucks and that's all or whatever. The idea of a text was like a pager. Short message. People are turning it into massive conversations though so yeah...


Hold on, you get charged for incoming texts and call? :shocked:

Is that normal in the States?

Yes, and the price for those texts keep going up and up and up. Not that long ago it was 10 cents a text, now it's 25 cents a text.
 

WelshBloke

Lifer
Jan 12, 2005
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Originally posted by: trmiv
Originally posted by: WelshBloke
Originally posted by: DLeRium
Originally posted by: halik
That's why DOJ is doing a probe on their business. No way can that industry be competitive when the data rates have 1000000% margin. Text messages cost virtually no money, yet they charge 10 cents.

Isn't it 20 cents now? 10 cents was a dream before. I wouldn't get a texting plan because on average I used just shy of 50 texts. After the jacked up rate to 15 cents I dove in but I also texted a lot more. Now at 20 cents, $5 for 200 is a steal.

Originally posted by: Safeway
Originally posted by: rivan
Originally posted by: SunSamurai
If you knew how often this happens youd be a bit more pissed at the phone companies. $0.015 per KB is extortion no matter how you slice it.

It's as bad as $.20/text or whatever they cost now.

The worst part about texts is that you get charged for sending and receiving. That is double charging for every text!

FURTHER, you have to pay for unsolicited texts sent from spammers and the Obama campaign!

Charge for sent texts only: Fair.
Charge for received texts only: Unfair.
CHARGE FOR BOTH?! WHAT THE FUCK. SUE.

Makes sense to me though. It's just like calls. You get charged for incoming and outgoing calls (in terms of minutes). I suppose it would be nice if you could reject texts easily and NOT get charged, but charging both ways.... it's logical. Not all texts deserve a reply. You can text someone saying meet noon @ starbucks and that's all or whatever. The idea of a text was like a pager. Short message. People are turning it into massive conversations though so yeah...


Hold on, you get charged for incoming texts and call? :shocked:

Is that normal in the States?

Yes, and the price for those texts keep going up and up and up. Not that long ago it was 10 cents a text, now it's 25 cents a text.

Wow, and to think here in the UK we normally complain that we pay more than anyone else for most things.

Whats their resoning for charging for incoming texts and isnt that open to abuse(send someone you dont like a crapload of texts)?

 

trmiv

Lifer
Oct 10, 1999
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Originally posted by: WelshBloke
Originally posted by: trmiv
Originally posted by: WelshBloke
Originally posted by: DLeRium
Originally posted by: halik
That's why DOJ is doing a probe on their business. No way can that industry be competitive when the data rates have 1000000% margin. Text messages cost virtually no money, yet they charge 10 cents.

Isn't it 20 cents now? 10 cents was a dream before. I wouldn't get a texting plan because on average I used just shy of 50 texts. After the jacked up rate to 15 cents I dove in but I also texted a lot more. Now at 20 cents, $5 for 200 is a steal.

Originally posted by: Safeway
Originally posted by: rivan
Originally posted by: SunSamurai
If you knew how often this happens youd be a bit more pissed at the phone companies. $0.015 per KB is extortion no matter how you slice it.

It's as bad as $.20/text or whatever they cost now.

The worst part about texts is that you get charged for sending and receiving. That is double charging for every text!

FURTHER, you have to pay for unsolicited texts sent from spammers and the Obama campaign!

Charge for sent texts only: Fair.
Charge for received texts only: Unfair.
CHARGE FOR BOTH?! WHAT THE FUCK. SUE.

Makes sense to me though. It's just like calls. You get charged for incoming and outgoing calls (in terms of minutes). I suppose it would be nice if you could reject texts easily and NOT get charged, but charging both ways.... it's logical. Not all texts deserve a reply. You can text someone saying meet noon @ starbucks and that's all or whatever. The idea of a text was like a pager. Short message. People are turning it into massive conversations though so yeah...


Hold on, you get charged for incoming texts and call? :shocked:

Is that normal in the States?

Yes, and the price for those texts keep going up and up and up. Not that long ago it was 10 cents a text, now it's 25 cents a text.

Wow, and to think here in the UK we normally complain that we pay more than anyone else for most things.

Whats their resoning for charging for incoming texts and isnt that open to abuse(send someone you dont like a crapload of texts)?

Their reasoning is "because we can. What are you going to do, not text? Hahahahahahahaha SUCKAS, CHA-CHING!!!"

They charge these ridiculous prices on single texts so they can get you to commit to a texting plan. And yes it is open to abuse, but usually if that happens most carriers will drop the charges or a portion of the charges that one time and then you can have them block texting.
 

rh71

No Lifer
Aug 28, 2001
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^ exactly why I had to block it. My brother was willing to do $5/mo. for 250txts though... his money, my share plan.

Originally posted by: rasczak
Originally posted by: SonnyDaze
That's cheaper then daycare. Don't complain. ;)

lol at $60/3 minutes, I better open up a daycare in your part of town if you're willing to pay those rates :)

don't people pay that rate at strip clubs too? :D
 

TheKub

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Oct 2, 2001
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Originally posted by: rasczak
Originally posted by: SonnyDaze
That's cheaper then daycare. Don't complain. ;)

lol at $60/3 minutes, I better open up a daycare in your part of town if you're willing to pay those rates :)

But more expensive than a condom.
 

rasczak

Lifer
Jan 29, 2005
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Originally posted by: rh71
^ exactly why I had to block it. My brother was willing to do $5/mo. for 250txts though... his money, my share plan.

Originally posted by: rasczak
Originally posted by: SonnyDaze
That's cheaper then daycare. Don't complain. ;)

lol at $60/3 minutes, I better open up a daycare in your part of town if you're willing to pay those rates :)

don't people pay that rate at strip clubs too? :D

I'm not sure anyone would pay to see me strip. If i get enough offers I may open that up instead. :D
 

Cstefan

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Originally posted by: halik
That's why DOJ is doing a probe on their business. No way can that industry be competitive when the data rates have 1000000% margin. Text messages cost virtually no money, yet they charge 10 cents.

Texts are sent with the data that the phone and tower share continuously and costs the carrier nothing if you use it.
 

FelixDeCat

Lifer
Aug 4, 2000
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This is why Ive used TMobile for 9 years. The prices never change. The internet charge has been fixed with unlimited downloads at $19.99 since 2003.
 

child of wonder

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Aug 31, 2006
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It's clear you're all internet abusers in here. Verizon cannot maintain their network for less than $0.015/KB and they do this to punish those that abuse the internet. Switch if you don't like it. The internet is only for viewing 1 web page per day in plain text.

/spidey07
 

Jeff7181

Lifer
Aug 21, 2002
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Originally posted by: Xanis
Originally posted by: trmiv
Originally posted by: hanoverphist
under the "new, better" plan vzw just switched me to, its 1.99 a mb so that would only cost me 8 bucks. i had the interwebz blocked on my daughters phone due to the change, mine has a data plan anyway. i still think that 30 bucks should cover data for the account, not one specific phone.

What gets me about data plans is, you cough up $30 a month for "unlimited" data, but you STILL have to have a frigging text messaging plan to not get raped over text charges. I have a blackberry, but I still text a few friends that don't have smartphones, drives me nuts that I have to pay for texts on top of my Blackberry plan.

What carrier do you have? I'm with AT&T and I could pay $35/month for ulimited data AND messaging.

I have Sprint's Everything Data 450 plan. Unlimited data (invisible 5GB/mo cap), unlimited text, 450 anytime minutes (plus 25 additional for being a customer for 1 year), free nights and weekends starting at 7pm, free mobile-to-mobile... all for $70/mo which ends up being about $76 after tax.
 

EKKC

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May 31, 2005
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my blackberry is data only plan and my butt called an old coworker of mine and left a 25 minute voice mail to him on his office line while I was driving home a few weekends ago.

i had to facebook him and tell him it wasnt a prank call it was just my butt calling.
i was also 5 dollars poorer (20 cent per min - no voice plan)

and yea, I hate ppl are on a txt plan and keep texting me stupid stuff (ex. know any good retaurants in Lower East Side Manhattan? LOL!!!). when they have data and can googletalk me (im on 24/7 which pisses me off even more)
 

Jeff7181

Lifer
Aug 21, 2002
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Originally posted by: EKKC
my blackberry is data only plan and my butt called an old coworker of mine and left a 25 minute voice mail to him on his office line while I was driving home a few weekends ago.

i had to facebook him and tell him it wasnt a prank call it was just my butt calling.
i was also 5 dollars poorer (20 cent per min - no voice plan)

and yea, I hate ppl are on a txt plan and keep texting me stupid stuff (ex. know any good retaurants in Lower East Side Manhattan? LOL!!!). when they have data and can googletalk me (im on 24/7 which pisses me off even more)

Why did you put your Blackberry in your ass?
 

erub

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Jun 21, 2000
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Originally posted by: WelshBloke
My data is capped at £1 a day max, no matter how much I use.

No contract either.

:D

That's $48/month for data, which is the same as iphone unlimited plan ($30) + unlimited text ($20). I have 1500 texts (plenty for me, because I use in the 400-500/month range) for $15. $30+15=$45, less than your $48 and mine includes texting. Sucks that AT&T doesn't have anything between 200 ($5) and 1500 ($15), though.
 

Baked

Lifer
Dec 28, 2004
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Aren't you the guy driving the fancy X5? You can't buy your twins some playskool plastic phones to play with?
 

orakle

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Originally posted by: erub
Originally posted by: WelshBloke
My data is capped at £1 a day max, no matter how much I use.

No contract either.

:D

That's $48/month for data, which is the same as iphone unlimited plan ($30) + unlimited text ($20). I have 1500 texts (plenty for me, because I use in the 400-500/month range) for $15. $30+15=$45, less than your $48 and mine includes texting. Sucks that AT&T doesn't have anything between 200 ($5) and 1500 ($15), though.

Assuming he uses data every day. I sure don't.
 

DjUnternull

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you know what really annoys the crap out of me is not only how they charge .15c per kb is that they have all these different data plans for different phones but they for the most part use the same gateway to use data.so the person with the htc tytn that uses internet has to get the 30 data plan that uses apn X for example.The person with the samsung eternity gets the same deal for 15 and uses apn X.Baffles my mind
 

Special K

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Originally posted by: halik
That's why DOJ is doing a probe on their business. No way can that industry be competitive when the data rates have 1000000% margin. Text messages cost virtually no money, yet they charge 10 cents.

Are the wireless carriers competitive when it comes to voice plans? Are texts just one giant price-fixing scam? You would think one carrier would be willing to cut the price of the their texts to steal business from the other carriers, which would in turn force the other carriers to cut their prices on texts until some sort of equilibrium was reached.
 

El Guaraguao

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I once let a friend of mine 3 year old kid play my Forza game on xbox. I walk out the room and come back in the matter of minutes to find that the kid had deleted my profile. Which I spent quite some time building. Im starting to think these kids do this shit on purpose.
 

WelshBloke

Lifer
Jan 12, 2005
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Originally posted by: orakle
Originally posted by: erub
Originally posted by: WelshBloke
My data is capped at £1 a day max, no matter how much I use.

No contract either.

:D

That's $48/month for data, which is the same as iphone unlimited plan ($30) + unlimited text ($20). I have 1500 texts (plenty for me, because I use in the 400-500/month range) for $15. $30+15=$45, less than your $48 and mine includes texting. Sucks that AT&T doesn't have anything between 200 ($5) and 1500 ($15), though.

Assuming he uses data every day. I sure don't.

And thats also the fallback if you don't have any data payed for. If I'm going to use a lot I can prepay £2.50 for 5 days, and I think you can prepay a month for less.

 

Nik

Lifer
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Wait, you gave your toddler your cell phone and left him unsupervised, then expect your carrier to foot the bill for your poor decision? :confused: