Change in Asset Seized Sharing Process

[KMFJD]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kEpZWGgJks

Really does make your blood boil that they can do this

 

[Double Trouble]

Seems like a step in the right direction. Lets hope something comes of the new civil asset forfeiture law overhaul, including hopefully pre-empting many of the crazy state laws.

 

[Pipeline 1010]

While I'm glad to see Holder announce this, Cuba was NOT a step in the right direction. Have you seen the news today about those political prisoners they released?

You don't see it as even an itsy bitsy step in the right direction? 52 political prisoners are now rightly free. Ask their families if this was a good move or not. I absolutely love your high standards...I truly wish more people thought like you. But I'll take small good change over no good change at all. Get enough small good changes and you arrive at a big good change. I agree this wasn't enough and there is a long way to go, but we just got closer

Back on topic, I wonder if this means that police agencies will now patrol both directions of drug corridors instead of just trolling the money-flow-out-of-the-U.S. side and allowing the drug-flow-into-the-U.S. side to operate without interruption. Maybe they will stop getting into inter-agency macho cop fights over choice asset forfeiture traffic stops. Fucking assholes.

 

[Pipeline 1010]

I'm curious why law enforcement supports the whole "the property is guilty until proven innocent" bullshit. When the hell did this kind of thinking become OK? How is that now the philosophy of the land of the free when it used to be the philosophy of the worst dictators on Earth? The founding fathers would have hated this concept. Yet more evidence that law enforcement today (much like British law enforcement of the past) would have despised the founding fathers.

 

[nickqt]

While I'm glad to see Holder announce this, Cuba was NOT a step in the right direction. Have you seen the news today about those political prisoners they released?

Exactly!

If we just give the embargo another 55-60 years, we'll totally win this cold war battle.

Sure, they'll adopt capitalism and freedom sooner if the people actually get a taste of it, but hey, we have to keep that embargo going, because it's worked great so far!!!

LOL

 

[Jeff7]

That this crap was ever sanctioned in the first place is a discrace to our justice system.

Think of the children my ass.

Yes, it's pretty scary that we can even say "Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. on Friday barred local and state police from using federal law to seize cash, cars and other property without evidence that a crime occurred."


Yes, let's make it legal for the police to take valuable assets from people and use them to help directly fund the department. What could possibly go wrong with that?


"People respond to incentives."

Determine what behavior you're truly incentivizing, and you'll have an insight into what the future holds.
- Prisons that profit from longer sentences, jailing for minor crimes, and high recidivism.
- Doctors that are given financial incentives to prescribe medication regimens that are determined by an insurer, rather than by the patient's needs.
- Give executives stock options as pay, with the idea that they'll work to increase the long-term value of the company and thereby increase the stock price. Or maybe they'll instead focus on simply inflating the price of the stocks before selling and bailing out, at the detriment of the company.
- Police permitted to steal from citizens and keep what they take for the benefit of their own department.

 

[shira]

I wasn't aware that state and local police departments could ever seize property under federal forfeiture laws. I would have thought that was the sole province of federal agencies.

I hope I'm wrong about this (perhaps federal forfeiture laws specifically empower state and local agencies to seize property). But if I'm correct, then Holder's action taken alone (without further Congressional action placing limits on the states) will have no effect on forfeiture abuse.

 

[mrjminer]

Holder has to save face somehow. At least he picked something worthy to do it on.

 

[nickqt]

Holder has to save face somehow. At least he picked something worthy to do it on.

Save face from Louie "asparagus" Gohmert, amirite?!?

 

[mrjminer]

Save face from Louie "asparagus" Gohmert, amirite?!?

I don't know who that is.

He has to save face from pretty much everything he's done. I don't know if that helps or hurts whatever comparison you are trying to draw with your silly "amirite" rhetoric. I am going to presume that you are attempting to make a point that Holder is some sort of supremely good attorney general, but he is the exact opposite. Except for this move, as I noted.

If that isn't the point you are making, then hopefully this clarifies my position. If it is the point you are making, then you are an idiot.

 

[nickqt]

I don't know who that is.

He has to save face from pretty much everything he's done. I don't know if that helps or hurts whatever comparison you are trying to draw with your silly "amirite" rhetoric. I am going to presume that you are attempting to make a point that Holder is some sort of supremely good attorney general, but he is the exact opposite. Except for this move, as I noted.

If that isn't the point you are making, then hopefully this clarifies my position. If it is the point you are making, then you are an idiot.

Nice to see name calling is allowed on the forum, not that I need to engage in it to mock someone's idiocy.

Save face from what, exactly? You go ahead and tell me what he needs to save face from.

And Louie Gohmert is a Representative. Not that you'd need to know anything political to make blanket statements like Eric Holder needs to save face from everything he's done, as if that means anything.

 

[Jhhnn]

Save face from what, exactly? You go ahead and tell me what he needs to save face from.

That's like asking a Jihadi why he believes.

 

[mrjminer]

Nice to see name calling is allowed on the forum, not that I need to engage in it to mock someone's idiocy.

Save face from what, exactly? You go ahead and tell me what he needs to save face from.

And Louie Gohmert is a Representative. Not that you'd need to know anything political to make blanket statements like Eric Holder needs to save face from everything he's done, as if that means anything.

An astute political scientist such as yourself shouldn't need to be told what Holder needs to save face from. AMIRITE?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?

Jokes aside, don't worry about the response. You're already ignored since you're clearly someone's alt that's probably on ignore already, or someone that's been banned and is on ignore already.

 

[Sonikku]

Thanks, Obama.

 

[Jhhnn]

An astute political scientist such as yourself shouldn't need to be told what Holder needs to save face from. AMIRITE?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?

Jokes aside, don't worry about the response. You're already ignored since you're clearly someone's alt that's probably on ignore already, or someone that's been banned and is on ignore already.

An honest critic of Holder would be specific. You fail that test, then double down on failure, just knowing that you're right, obviously.

 

[CPA]

You don't see it as even an itsy bitsy step in the right direction? 52 political prisoners are now rightly free. Ask their families if this was a good move or not. I absolutely love your high standards...I truly wish more people thought like you. But I'll take small good change over no good change at all. Get enough small good changes and you arrive at a big good change. I agree this wasn't enough and there is a long way to go, but we just got closer

Back on topic, I wonder if this means that police agencies will now patrol both directions of drug corridors instead of just trolling the money-flow-out-of-the-U.S. side and allowing the drug-flow-into-the-U.S. side to operate without interruption. Maybe they will stop getting into inter-agency macho cop fights over choice asset forfeiture traffic stops. Fucking assholes.

Again read the articles from the last couple days. Tow of those political prisoners released were already re-arrested. Many others are on constant surveillance. In essense, Cuba did not live up to their end of the bargain.

 

[CPA]

Exactly!

If we just give the embargo another 55-60 years, we'll totally win this cold war battle.

Sure, they'll adopt capitalism and freedom sooner if the people actually get a taste of it, but hey, we have to keep that embargo going, because it's worked great so far!!!

LOL

Hey, while we're at it, let's remove all sanctions to North Korea too, right?

 

[Darwin333]

I wasn't aware that state and local police departments could ever seize property under federal forfeiture laws. I would have thought that was the sole province of federal agencies.

I hope I'm wrong about this (perhaps federal forfeiture laws specifically empower state and local agencies to seize property). But if I'm correct, then Holder's action taken alone (without further Congressional action placing limits on the states) will have no effect on forfeiture abuse.

Civil forfeiture laws were passed by the Feds back in the 70's or 80's to "help win the war on drugs". It was used as intended for a while but as with anything, if you give people a profit motivator to do something they will do it to the extent that they can get away with it.

It's so bad that if you purchase $5 worth of pot through the window of your car they can and will seize your car. I mean really, we don't want people to continue being productive members of society by having jobs and all that shit, not when the cops can get a few grand to buy a new machine gun or something. Don't worry though, we have plenty of room in jail for you when you resort to less than legal ways to put food on your table and maybe we'll get to jack some more money while we are at it!

 

[Blanky]

The fact that this was even a thing is fucking ridiculous.

Props to Holder for this.

Holder has also taken a dim stance on mandatory minimums for drugs, another good thing.

 

[Darwin333]

Hey, while we're at it, let's remove all sanctions to North Korea too, right?

How in the world do you compare Cuba with NK???

The dammed Coast Guard could take over all of Cuba in a long weekend of training exercises. Hell we jacked 45 square miles and put a Naval base there FFS, how many of those do we have in NK?

 

[Darwin333]

The fact that this was even a thing is fucking ridiculous.

Props to Holder for this.

Holder has also taken a dim stance on mandatory minimums for drugs, another good thing.

Definately something else we need to work on. Did you know that under the mandatory minimum sentencing that getting caught selling a certain amount/kind of drugs 3 times the judge must give you life per the minimum but if you get caught trying to set off a fucking nuclear bomb (or actually setting one off without causing any deaths!!!) the minimum is only 30 years?!?

Can we at least agree that an asshole who has a nuke in the US and tries to set off a fucking nuke is worse than an asshole slanging crack?

 

[nickqt]

Hey, while we're at it, let's remove all sanctions to North Korea too, right?

Clearly, recognizing a poor island nation 90 miles away from us that upset us because of their economic system is the same thing as being best buddies with a country controlled by a dictator who threatens the US and our allies with nuclear weapons!

Seriously though, I love reading about the delusions that conservatives believe in, I just wish y'all wouldn't go and vote based on those delusions.

For America.

 

[master_shake_]

you know it's kinda funny...

9-11 seems like the best thing to happen to america ever.

think of all the cool new law enforcement, terrorism fighting, mass surveillance, drone killing, warrantless wire tapping, general removal of freedom programs that have been enacted since that day...

it's really kind of sad isn't it.

 

[master_shake_]

who are they securing the nation from?

 

[nickqt]

who are they securing the nation from?

The rabble who don't donate hundreds of thousands of dollars to the campaigns of the fascists in elected office, of course.