Challenge for GOP Presidential candidates.

HomerJS

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The NRA takes the position more guns make us safer. More armed people are a good thing. Good guy with a gun stops bad guy with a gun. Far as I know this is also the position of all the GOP candidates.

Put your money where your mouth is. In states that have open and/or conceal carry, allow anyone attending your events/rallies to bring their firearms. In fact advertise we want you to bring your weapons.

After all, their stance is more guns make us safer. The candidates will be safer. The attendees will be safer.
 

PokerGuy

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Looks like we have an early leader for the "derp thread of the day" award!

Just because something is true in general doesn't mean it applies in every specific situation. I have no problem with law abiding citizens being armed, but that doesn't mean it's a good idea to have them go into (for example) a courtroom armed. Duh.
 

HomerJS

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Looks like we have an early leader for the "derp thread of the day" award!

Just because something is true in general doesn't mean it applies in every specific situation. I have no problem with law abiding citizens being armed, but that doesn't mean it's a good idea to have them go into (for example) a courtroom armed. Duh.

So what would be the rationale for everyone in a movie theater being armed opposed to everyone at a Trump rally being armed?
 

thraashman

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So what would be the rationale for everyone in a movie theater being armed opposed to everyone at a Trump rally being armed?

Simple, people that would go to a rally for a Republican are by a huge margin less mentally stable than your average movie theater patron.
 
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Looks like we have an early leader for the "derp thread of the day" award!

Just because something is true in general doesn't mean it applies in every specific situation. I have no problem with law abiding citizens being armed, but that doesn't mean it's a good idea to have them go into (for example) a courtroom armed. Duh.

There is some merit to it. Perhaps not in the way it is presented here but you have Trump insisting on day one he would gun free zones in schools and military bases. Of course he would have to ignore state/local rights in doing so but no one seems to care about that on the right. One of many examples of things he would do on day one that he can not possibly do under current law.

While he wants guns in schools etc... he doesn't seem to want them on most of the properties he owns.
 

trenchfoot

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So what would be the rationale for everyone in a movie theater being armed opposed to everyone at a Trump rally being armed?

Considering the commonly held belief of gun enthusiasts that every citizen who owns firearms have passed a background check of some sort, so they must be considered responsible owners.......right up until the moment they aren't.....AND the fact that gun enthusiasts also generally believe that to restrict when, where and how firearms are worn as adornments and a part of accessorizing one's clothing choices for the day is part of the slippery slope to having guns being taken away wholesale, I see that arguments of convenience is a well played game of hypocrisy on the part of some avid gun enthusiasts.

Common sense is usually the tool of choice for the average person who is faced with making those daily decisions that are a part of living one's life. However, as we have repeatedly seen how some gun enthusiasts will shed this logical course of action and become over-reacting paranoids when it comes to hanging on to their beloved cache of killing tools, I submit to you that you need to cease and desist any line of discourse where the mere hint of a threat to one's right to bear arms in any abundance imaginable is laid out at their feet.

It is at this point where logic and reason is tossed out the window and manic panic is put in its place. So sacred is the belief that to give an inch in a moment of clarity is to give away the untold miles of "progress" made in bringing new meaning to the Second Amendment, that the salient reasoning for reducing/eliminating the increasing amount of mass killings of our children and loved ones is absolutely no reason to add a single well-meant restriction that adds fuel to the slippery slope theory of torching the Constitution and Bill of Rights.
 

PokerGuy

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So what would be the rationale for everyone in a movie theater being armed opposed to everyone at a Trump rally being armed?

If you can't tell the difference between the two scenarios, there's not much anyone can do to help you. I know you're trying to pretend there's some sort of hypocrisy or logical discord in play, but the two are vastly different scenarios.
 

Atreus21

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The NRA takes the position more guns make us safer. More armed people are a good thing. Good guy with a gun stops bad guy with a gun. Far as I know this is also the position of all the GOP candidates.

Put your money where your mouth is. In states that have open and/or conceal carry, allow anyone attending your events/rallies to bring their firearms. In fact advertise we want you to bring your weapons.

After all, their stance is more guns make us safer. The candidates will be safer. The attendees will be safer.

Frankly, I'd put even money on such an event having zero problems.
 
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New law. Everyone must pack heat on their right hip in full display. If you leave home without your pistol you go to jail. Must wear them everywhere. Work, school, court room, weddings etc. No exceptions.
 

thraashman

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Kennesaw, GA

People love to cite Kennesaw. I live a short distance from Kennesaw and am there probably twice a month and know dozens of people who live in Kennesaw. Less than a quarter of the people I know who live there own firearms, and even less than that are at all aware of the law that is never enforced.
 

fskimospy

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Is that what "even money" means? Oops.

I'll rephrase.

I'd bet such an event would have zero problems.

I agree that the average event would likely have no problems.

There have already been numerous reports of violence at his events though, and politics (especially his brand) is something that makes people angry, which I imagine increases the likelihood of conflict. Just seems like a bad idea to me, but then again I'm of the opinion that having guns in bars is also a bad idea. Clearly some disagree.
 

Spungo

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Frankly, I'd put even money on such an event having zero problems.

Oh come on, you wouldn't try to assassinate someone while surrounded by thousands of people carrying guns? That's definitely when I would make a move. It's those times when nobody has a gun that I start having second thoughts.
 

FerrelGeek

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New law. Everyone must pack heat on their right hip in full display. If you leave home without your pistol you go to jail. Must wear them everywhere. Work, school, court room, weddings etc. No exceptions.

I see you're guilty of handism, you lousy bigot! You totally ignored the fact that gun on right hip would be an inconvenience to left-handed people, who already are oppressed by the daily stress of living in a right hand dominant world. You are obviously in need of intense sensitivity training. Away with you!!
 

HomerJS

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If you can't tell the difference between the two scenarios, there's not much anyone can do to help you. I know you're trying to pretend there's some sort of hypocrisy or logical discord in play, but the two are vastly different scenarios.

I'm stating I don't know the difference. You are smarter. Explain it to me.

From my point of view you have a group of people attending an event in a closed room. We've always been told more guns are safer.

My logic tells me not to allow guns in either a movie theater or a Trump rally but we are being told otherwise.
 
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I see you're guilty of handism, you lousy bigot! You totally ignored the fact that gun on right hip would be an inconvenience to left-handed people, who already are oppressed by the daily stress of living in a right hand dominant world. You are obviously in need of intense sensitivity training. Away with you!!

Trying to weed out the weaker gene :p
 

ivwshane

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Looks like we have an early leader for the "derp thread of the day" award!

Just because something is true in general doesn't mean it applies in every specific situation. I have no problem with law abiding citizens being armed, but that doesn't mean it's a good idea to have them go into (for example) a courtroom armed. Duh.

Source?
 

theeedude

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I was wondering about that at the Trump speech when he was talking about how awesome it would be if people in France took guns to theaters. Did he let people carry guns to his speech? Somehow I doubt it.
 

Sonikku

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If anything would should have mandatory guns so everyone can defend themselves from all the other people mandated to have a gun.
 

trenchfoot

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If anything would should have mandatory guns so everyone can defend themselves from all the other people mandated to have a gun.

But MY gun will always be the biggest baddest most loudest banging behemoth of a gun that comes with a wheelbarrow and tripod as standard equipment, along with all of that other bling and blang that absolutely sets it apart from all the rest so that I can defend myself a lot better than anybody else who needs to defend themselves.

My huge gun will also come with a huge well endowed amazon that's able to shoot my gun so that the muzzle blast alone will blow the stubble off of any chinny-chin-chin that's within ten yards of the explosion. ;)