chaintech geforce 4 Ti 4200 128mb dissapointing

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kornphlake

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I picked up a chaintech geforce 4 ti 4200 for about $60 last week and I'm a little dissapointed with it's performance. I didn't intend to use the card for gaming so I didn't get the latest and greatest but I figured this card would be able to hold it's own with some of the older games I have. I downloaded and installed the demo of Motocross Madness 2 and tried playing it but all I got was jittery jumpy video. Even with the old ati rage 2000 32mb card I used to have I got smoother graphics.

Oh well I figured the software may have a shotty graphics engine or something. Over the last week I've noticed that the display in windows xp pro isn't all it should be either, the edges of windows stutter when I drag them around the desktop. I'd expect this from a really old card but this card isn't that old and it's supposed to be the best of it's time. I'm currently downloading the 53.03 drivers from Nvidia we'll see if that helps, if not what else can I do?

System specs:
Asus A7N8X-X Mb
Athlon XP 2500+
512Mb Kingston value ram Pc 2700
Western Digital 7200rpm HD
modem
cd rom
generic 350W psu

Everything running at stock speeds, Bios rev 1006, I haven't ever updated it.

Please don't suggest I get a different psu or a new video card, I don't have the budget to just try and see and I really don't think I need a $200 video card for what I do, if I were to spend that much it would be on a Quadro 4, not some Radeon.
 
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BlueWeasel

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With that system and the Ti4200, you shouldn't have any problems with Motocross Madness. It ran great with my 4200 on a much slower system.

You might try using the 30.xx or 40.xx series of Nvidia drivers. I've heard the newer drivers are optimized for the new cards, and the best performance is with the older drivers.
 
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KGB1

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Well I love my GF4 Ti4200 :D Its an Asus, with 4.0 ns DDR RAM (Samsungs specification for the ram is down to 3.6 ns) which gives me an easy (I wouldn't say Overclock, merely speed adjustment) Memory speeds of 275(550 DDR)

Memory is where the more fps is my man, the core can do 275 easily also


(Unless you got the FIRST GF 4 ti4200 with 444mhz ram... sorry man out of luck :( )
 
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The card shouldn't cause any problems in either motocross madness or windows. I'd first make sure all the old ati drivers are cleaned out as previously mentioned. And, I know you don't want to hear it or have the money for it, but you really should get a new psu. Gf4's are fairly power hungry, and that generic psu might not be up to the task.
 
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kornphlake

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well I downloaded the newest drivers and the problem persists. I just built the system up so there shouldn't be any ati drivers installed unless somebody broke into my house and loaded some while I was gone. The old ati card I made reference to was in a 700 mhz system. Where do I find the 30.xx and 40.xx drivers, and do I need to uninstall the previous nvidia drivers before I install a new one?

Like I said I really don't care much about the performance in games but I'd expect the windows desktop to be silky smooth. Would a quality psu really make any differance in the quality of the display under such non intensive conditions?

How do I find out the memory speed settings? What do I need to do to overclock/stockclock the video memory?

What about the bios settings, should the AGP aperature match the amount of memory on the graphics card? I should have the fast write disabled right? Anything else in Bios I should know about or do differently? What about the AGP spread spectrum, video ram cacheable, and AGP VDDQ voltage settings. Any OS settings to enable video acceleration on the desktop. So far everything is pretty much at the default settings since the computer is so new I haven't had time or desire to do much tweaking.
 
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Originally posted by: kornphlake
I just built the system up so there shouldn't be any ati drivers installed unless somebody broke into my house and loaded some while I was gone.
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Hahaha thats a good one! Thank you
Have you tried changing the refresh rate of the monitor? Or the resolution as well? That should help if it isnt set optimally but if not then Im sorry.
 
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Have you fully tested and benchmarked all other aspects of your computer to make sure everything is working well?

Test your voltages with Motherboard monitor and make sure everything is getting enough juice.

Also, run 3dmark 2001 SE and see where you score. I figure for your system you would be hitting around 10k if the card was working normally.
 
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Originally posted by: PCTweaker5
More like 6 or 7k in 2001. I got 8241k in 2001 with a Ti4600 on my current rig.
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Something is major wrong if you're only hitting 8k with that rig. You should be hitting near 14-15k with that setup. I got near 10k with my Radeon 9100 and 13k or so with Ti4200.
 
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modedepe

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Originally posted by: PCTweaker5
More like 6 or 7k in 2001. I got 8241k in 2001 with a Ti4600 on my current rig.
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Well then your rig is completely borked. Kornphlake should be getting around 12k, and you should get about 14k.
 
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A 2500+ and a 4200 should be plenty fast in practically every game out there at 10x7 w/o AA/AF.

Do you have AA or AF enabled in the drivers? Don't expect miracles out of a 4200 with either enabled.

Are you sure AGP is enabled and functioning? 3DMark should be able to tell you that in its detailed score info.

You can enable Fast Writes with nVidia cards. AFAIK, AGP Aperture should match your video card's RAM, but keep it below half your system RAM.
 
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kornphlake

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I'll try the 44.03 drivers when I get home, I read on guru3d.com that lots of people with an Ali chipset were having trouble with the gf4 cards. Do thes problems usually exist with NF2 chipsets? I also noticed that the video adaptor is sharing Irq's with the agp bridge or something to that effect, should that conflict be resolved, if so how do I go about changing the Irq assignment? I don't have 3Dmark scores to post just yet, I just downloaded it at work, I'll post tonight.
 
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Originally posted by: kornphlake
I'll try the 44.03 drivers when I get home, I read on guru3d.com that lots of people with an Ali chipset were having trouble with the gf4 cards. Do thes problems usually exist with NF2 chipsets? I also noticed that the video adaptor is sharing Irq's with the agp bridge or something to that effect, should that conflict be resolved, if so how do I go about changing the Irq assignment? I don't have 3Dmark scores to post just yet, I just downloaded it at work, I'll post tonight.
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I have an asus 4200ti 8x 128mb running fine across multiple nf2 chipset motherboards. Mine is sharing an irq with my modem...no problems.
 
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kornphlake

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it's not just an irq it's like 3 irq's, I didn't know if it was normal to share an irq with the AGP slot thingy or not though.
 
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kornphlake

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Originally posted by: kornphlake
it's not just an irq it's like 3 irq's, I didn't know if it was normal to share an irq with the AGP slot thingy or not though.
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Edit: It's sharing the same IRQ with the same agp bridge three times in the system information window.
 
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