CES 2014: more details on Mullins/Beema

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AMD Reveals some Mullins and Beema Performance Figures



In the AMD press conference at CES today we saw some performance figures for Mullins and Beema APUs that are due soon from AMD. Mullins targets fanless Baytrail-T products. Beema targets the Baytrail-M sector of entry-level desktops, 2-in-1s and larger ‘value’ tablets. No details were given about timescales but the performance figures look interesting.

In the graph above we’re seeing a ‘Mullins’ 4-core APU beating Baytrail-T at PCMark by 20%. More interesting is the 3DMark11 scores with 2.5X performance for Mullins and 3.5X performance for Beema over Baytrail-T and Baytrail-M respectively. Unfortunately the details on the parts used isn’t given but we’ll see if we can find the original slide set with the notes....

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Roadmap with TDP(SDP):

Details of systems from APU13 conference(TDP and scores):

Looks like Mullins with 4.5W TDP (2.5W SDP) is going against top BT-T Atom Z3770 while Beema(15W? part) goes against BT-M N3510.

 

[mikk]

Mullins will face Cherry Trail and Willow Trail.

 

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Cherry Trail is supposedly launching in Q4 2014(Sept).

 

[bullzz]

when are these supposed to be launched?

 

[NTMBK]

when are these supposed to be launched?

Some time after Kaveri; Q2, at a guess?

 

[Homeles]

Cherry Trail is supposedly launching in Q4 2014(Sept).

Q4 is Oct-Dec. Although I am doubting it will be available until Q4 assuming a launch at IDF.

 

[mikk]

Cherry Trail is supposedly launching in Q4 2014(Sept).

Just like Temash last year they might launch it this May-June but don't expect devices before Q4 2014, means Mullins will definitely face Cherry Trail and even worse according to a Roadmap Mullins stays till 2016 and faces Willow Trail as well.

 

[Abwx]

Kabini BGA version will last barely a full year.

 

[monstercameron]

beema/mullins
http://youtu.be/Ms16uGxQzSY
starts at 33:33

 

[Sweepr]

Some time after Kaveri; Q2, at a guess?

Late Q2 (May/June) is my guess, followed by desktop Beema around Q3. I doubt they will have many design wins before Cherry Trail arrives in September, and even if they do, there will be a massive amount of discounted Bay Trail based tablets/convertibles by then. It will definitely spend most of its lifecycle competing with 14nm Cherry Trail (new IGP with 16 EUs ''Gen 8'', up from BT's 4 EUs Gen 7 IGP).

 

[ShintaiDK]

It makes one wonder why they even tried to make ARM chips. x86 is to rule them all. And they can obviously deliver with x86 what they can with ARM.

 

[Abwx]

It makes one wonder why they even tried to make ARM chips. x86 is to rule them all. And they can obviously deliver with x86 what they can with ARM.

Seems that thoses two SoCs include an ARM CPU
for the SAMU so both worlds are present technicaly.

 

[JDG1980]

How much of an IPC deficit do the "cat" cores (Jaguar/Puma) have in comparison to the "construction equipment" cores (Piledriver/Steamroller)?

 

[Homeles]

How much of an IPC deficit do the "cat" cores (Jaguar/Puma) have in comparison to the "construction equipment" cores (Piledriver/Steamroller)?

Not much.

 

[AtenRa]

It makes one wonder why they even tried to make ARM chips. x86 is to rule them all. And they can obviously deliver with x86 what they can with ARM.

Android devices, cheaper hardware and lower consumption without the MS money for the OS.

 

[bullzz]

"construction equipment" cores. lol

 

[inf64]

Not much.

Don't forget they are not designed for high frequencies so even a deficit in IPC is a big win for big cores as their pipeline structure is much less forgiving (deeper pipeline). Also Kaveri can scale down to 15W range and I think that it would compete with Beema rather well (apart from die size and pure battery life POVs).

 

[Homeles]

I'm not forgetting that. I'm just answering his question.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Android devices, cheaper hardware and lower consumption without the MS money for the OS.

Android works on x86.

 

[USER8000]

Hands on with a Mullins based concept tablet:

http://www.techradar.com/reviews/pc...t-discovery-tablet-review-1212897/review#null

 

[blackened23]

Late Q2 (May/June) is my guess, followed by desktop Beema around Q3. I doubt they will have many design wins before Cherry Trail arrives in September, and even if they do, there will be a massive amount of discounted Bay Trail based tablets/convertibles by then. It will definitely spend most of its lifecycle competing with 14nm Cherry Trail (new IGP with 16 EUs ''Gen 8'', up from BT's 4 EUs Gen 7 IGP).

More AMD marketing slides. Woohoo. Can't wait to see what is true and what is exaggerated.

 

[jdubs03]

Hands on with a Mullins based concept tablet:

http://www.techradar.com/reviews/pc...t-discovery-tablet-review-1212897/review#null

It is stated in that article that it'll be 2H, so yea the competition is Airmont/Cherry Trail. So in all likelihood Mullins will be considerably behind Cherry, even in graphics.

It is a shame that we can't see the performance delta on the same process, because in that case I think AMD would have a solid advantage on Intel.

But, when considering process, they're still behind Nvidia (especially now that we've seen K1), and the jury is out on the other competitors.

 

[tviceman]

It makes one wonder why they even tried to make ARM chips. x86 is to rule them all. And they can obviously deliver with x86 what they can with ARM.

x86 was eclipsed by ARM long ago in sheer usage. There are over a million apps in the App store. I have no idea how many apps are on the Play store, but probably a million give or take. x86 may be the powerhouse king when it comes to all-out performance, but ARM has a stranglehold on the mobile market and even if x86 makes dents, ARM isn't going anywhere. In fact, the only reason x86 can be touted as being "better" is simply because of Intel's lead in processing. x86, when compared to similar process nodes, is inferior in performance per watt.


Get used to it.

 

[NTMBK]

x86 was eclipsed by ARM long ago in sheer usage. There are over a million apps in the App store. I have no idea how many apps are on the Play store, but probably a million give or take. x86 may be the powerhouse king when it comes to all-out performance, but ARM has a stranglehold on the mobile market and even if x86 makes dents, ARM isn't going anywhere. In fact, the only reason x86 can be touted as being "better" is simply because of Intel's lead in processing. x86, when compared to similar process nodes, is inferior in performance per watt.


Get used to it.

Android works on x86 just fine.

 

[Enigmoid]

More AMD marketing slides. Woohoo. Can't wait to see what is true and what is exaggerated.

Easy. Perf/TDP.
Most useless metric ever.

(Remember all those richland/previous chips that used system power on a test platform? Why change it now?).

Read the rest here.


Roadmap with TDP(SDP):

Details of systems from APU13 conference(TDP and scores):

Looks like Mullins with 4.5W TDP (2.5W SDP) is going against top BT-T Atom Z3770 while Beema(15W? part) goes against BT-M N3510.