CEOs earn 262 times pay of average worker

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LegendKiller

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Originally posted by: drinkmorejava
So there's no possibility that those "good ole boy" networks might just want to see a return on their investment instead of getting the CEO a few million more, which, more than likely, pales in comparison to the aforementioned investor's stock holdings

Furthermore, of course there are no job listings for CEOs, that would be daft. You can't just set a list of basic requirements, take an interview or two and get the job. Most of the time, headhunting companies are paid tens of thousands of dollars to search the whole country and research people out. You can't go looking to be a CEO, you have to be found; my bet is 90% of people here making more than 100k know exactly how this works.

LOL, I guess you forgot to read anything else in this thread.

Let me run it by you again.

1. Board looks for a CEO. The board consists of usually a couple insiders and then some friends of those insiders to make them look like outsiders. Usually these people sit on multiple boards and often do business with eachother (interlocking).

2. Once a CEO is found, the compensation comittee sets the compensation structure. This is interesting, since the CEO, who is also usually chairman, sits on compensation comittees for other boards. Sometimes CEOs sit on multiple boards, thus, a friend network is established.

3. The board is supposed to represent the investors, not eachother. They are usually not huge holders of company stock. The largest holders of company stock are institutional investors. Pension funds, 401k, mutual funds...etc. The holders of the stock, the portfolio managers, have a fiduciary duty to vote the proxy of a share, since pension funds can't distinguish between shareholders, they are an undivided entity (Unless you specifically buy a certain stock, which even then is proxy voted).

4. Fund managers and analysts, ironically, sometimes sit on boards. Even if they don't, they often curry favor of those boards because the "other side of the house" or the investment-bankers want business. So therefore, the proxy votes are usually blank-checks to the board, the board then entices the C-levels to give business to the fund managers who have i-banking sides. Therefore, a vote is bought.

5. Once a CEO is entrenched and he has built up his buddy network, it's pretty damn hard to get rid of him. Look at Lay, Koslowski, the Rigas', Fiorina, Welch, Eisner (and the other dude...cant think of name right now), Silverman, or any other CEO of a mediocre performing company (or a fraudulent one). They were kept around not because of their prowess, but because of their buddies.


What I find hilarious is the fact that I *DO* know the system, yet people like you merely think that the magical number for knowledge is 100k. I knew the system before I made 100k, I know it better now, after, but that doesn't mean I didn't know it before. It has more to do with education and the desire to seek that knowledge and then to realize that the game is stacked.

if you want to be a sucker and merely write it off as blind faith while being blissfully ignorant to the truth, then by all means, I cannot stop you. If you don't want to believe that it's stacked, then thats your problem, not mine. However, these people love nothing more than those they can (mis)lead to the "golden pot".
 

MadRat

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Any officer, CEO or otherwise, that sits on another board is unethical. Not illegal. Unethical.

Where is their loyalty?
 

Mardeth

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My father actually makes more than the CEO of the company. The CEO does have very good benefits which combined with the pay could be more...

EDIT: But he certainly isnt making 262x average worker...
 

Future Shock

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Originally posted by: DeMeo
For all of you who whine and complain about people making more money than you... why don't you go get a beter job?
It's a free world ... become educated WORK HARD and get that high paying job.

Take someon like Bill Gates - do you think he's overpaid? He took huge risks and worked hard to get where he is. You all have the same opportunities.

Your ignorance is astounding...you probably picked the WORST example of "having the same opportunities" you could find.

Bill Gates GOT to where he is in large part because of the family he was borne into - his mother's elite social connections made her friends with someone on the IBM board, who knew that IBM was looking for personal computing software, who informed her, and brought Bill's name to IBM. IBM then approached Bill, and Bill was able to buy (not develop himself) that software (PC-DOS) from another developer for a large cash payment - in part because his father was a wealthy lawyer. THAT was the single element of his success that made MS the gazillion dollar company that it has become - PC-DOS became MS-DOS, which begat Windows.

Without his mother's connections, Bill most likely is a multi-millionaire, not a multi-billionaire, as he wouldn't have created the stranglehold on the PC Operating Systems market without the IBM contract.

Better examples might be Larry Ellison, Tom Siebel, and others in the Valley that started out as wildly successful salesmen/executives, cashed it in, and started their own companies. But to know Larry and Tom (and I have met them both), they are such insanely charismatic men - 6'4", big white perma-smile, and an incredibly positive attitudes. You can't work your way into that...those are just success traits that some people have, and others can never develop.

Future Shock
 

Pacemaker

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Originally posted by: Future Shock
Originally posted by: DeMeo
For all of you who whine and complain about people making more money than you... why don't you go get a beter job?
It's a free world ... become educated WORK HARD and get that high paying job.

Take someon like Bill Gates - do you think he's overpaid? He took huge risks and worked hard to get where he is. You all have the same opportunities.

Your ignorance is astounding...you probably picked the WORST example of "having the same opportunities" you could find.

Bill Gates GOT to where he is in large part because of the family he was borne into - his mother's elite social connections made her friends with someone on the IBM board, who knew that IBM was looking for personal computing software, who informed her, and brought Bill's name to IBM. IBM then approached Bill, and Bill was able to buy (not develop himself) that software (PC-DOS) from another developer for a large cash payment - in part because his father was a wealthy lawyer. THAT was the single element of his success that made MS the gazillion dollar company that it has become - PC-DOS became MS-DOS, which begat Windows.

Without his mother's connections, Bill most likely is a multi-millionaire, not a multi-billionaire, as he wouldn't have created the stranglehold on the PC Operating Systems market without the IBM contract.

Better examples might be Larry Ellison, Tom Siebel, and others in the Valley that started out as wildly successful salesmen/executives, cashed it in, and started their own companies. But to know Larry and Tom (and I have met them both), they are such insanely charismatic men - 6'4", big white perma-smile, and an incredibly positive attitudes. You can't work your way into that...those are just success traits that some people have, and others can never develop.

Future Shock

Give Bill credit, people weren't exactly knocking down that guys door for his QDOS program. Bill saw that he could sell it to IBM (and actually did so before buying it) and he made a killing.

Also, he leveraged IBM to let him retain the rights to DOS after the sale (which was unheard of at the time). That is what made him a success. He could have gone to any bank, showed them the IBM contract, and gotten a 50k loan to go buy the OS. The fact that he didn't have to shouldn't take away from his success.

Edit: it was QDOS (for Quick and Dirty Operating System) not PC-DOS. Checked after I posted.