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Celtic tribes are really Hebrews!

That's a very old theory.

I could write tons on it but won't bother.

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Fern
 
Fern said:
Germans are (one of) a group that belongs to the Celtic family. Not the other way 'round.
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No Celts and Germans both are belonging to the Indo Europeans also known as Aryan and such. Now there is just as much hate from many Europeans to Israelis but I bet more than a few would hate allowing the word Aryan and also the Swastika to brush off the exaggerated stigmas that Western culture gives them. Not to mention that more than a few would hate all descendents of Indo-Europeans in the same way as the situation with how many antisemites there are in European and North American countries.

Interesting fact: Did you know that the word Iran means land of the Aryans in Persian? Also Arya means noble in Indo-Aryan languages. Indo-Aryan lagnuages refer to the languages from India and Iran.
 
norseamd said:
No Celts and Germans both are belonging to the Indo Europeans also known as Aryan and such. Now there is just as much hate from many Europeans to Israelis but I bet more than a few would hate allowing the word Aryan and also the Swastika to brush off the exaggerated stigmas that Western culture gives them. Not to mention that more than a few would hate all descendents of Indo-Europeans in the same way as the situation with how many antisemites there are in European and North American countries.
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Depends which version of the 'language tree' you look at (there are quite a few). I don't personally care.

Lately I've been more interested in the genetic analyses. They differ as well.

norseamd said:
Interesting fact: Did you know that the word Iran means land of the Aryans in Persian? Also Arya means noble in Indo-Aryan languages. Indo-Aryan lagnuages refer to the languages from India and Iran.
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Don't recall it. Probably have read it though. I've even seen a language tree that list Persians as part of the Celtic family. Go figure, huh.

My biggest take away from reading piles of material about all this is that people have really been busy moving around all these years. Lot of interbreeding too.

Fern
 
As far as I am aware the Italics are the nearest relatives to the Celts at least by language. Certainly not by genetics at least overall as Celts are obviously more related to northern ethnicities like the Germans, Slavs, Baltics, and other Northern Europeans.
 
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Now if you know how to read those types of infographs then by this chart Celts are actually more related to Germanics, Slavs, Baltics, Tocharians, and Armenians.
 
norseamd said:
As far as I am aware the Italics are the nearest relatives to the Celts at least by language. Certainly not by genetics at least overall as Celts are obviously more related to northern ethnicities like the Germans, Slavs, Baltics, and other Northern Europeans.
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The Italics? I'm almost positive it's the Strikethroughs.
 
There were indigenous people in the British Isles before the Celts arrived, from Spain I believe it was. There was inbreeding among the Picts and others after they arrived so the group was a bit different by the time the Romans showed up.

There are cairns and obelisks in Ireland and Scotland that are older than the pyramids of Egypt, to me that's way more interesting than another group of immigrants showing up centuries later, but it's all fun research really.

As far as the "hating Hebrews" thing, sounds more like the effects of a more contemporary issue, that being the catholic church's official position towards Jews up until 1964. I haven't come across too much "ancient" antisemitism, but then my library is focused in other directions.
 
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kage69 said:
As far as the "hating Hebrews" thing, sounds more like the effects of a more contemporary issue, that being the catholic church's official position towards Jews up until 1964. I haven't come across too much "ancient" antisemitism, but then my library is focused in other directions.
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Israelis were way over in the Eastern Mediterranean so most Europeans would not have given a fuck about them until the migrations of the diaspora in the early Medieval era.
 
norseamd said:
Now if you know how to read those types of infographs then by this chart Celts are actually more related to Germanics, Slavs, Baltics, Tocharians, and Armenians.
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Well, I must not know how to read those charts because I ain't seeing it. :'(

Fern
 
norseamd said:
Israelis were way over in the Eastern Mediterranean so most Europeans would not have given a fuck about them until the migrations of the diaspora in the early Medieval era.
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True, which would be around when christians really started pushing the whole evil Jew portrayal. Old churches throughout Europe were festooned with stained glass and murals depicting Jews as lowly, greedy, nefarious outsiders who collectively carry the guilt of killing their jesus character. At best Jews were illustrated as broken or unfinished christians, with the theme of also being poor and unwashed.

Just realized I kinda sorta agreed with the guy in that link. The iberi ... came from the Iberian peninsula...or Spain!
 
kage69 said:
Just realized I agreed with the guy in that link. The iberi ... came from the Iberian peninsula...or Spain!
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Yes. The ancient migration from Spain to Ireland is well known and the Black Irish are considered as migrating from the Iberian Peninsula although possibly as some later migration although I would have to look it up to be more sure about anything.
 
kage69 said:
True, which would be around when christians really started pushing the whole evil Jew portrayal. Old churches throughout Europe were festooned with stained glass and murals depicting Jews as lowly, greedy, nefarious outsiders who collectively carry the guilt of killing their jesus character. At best Jews were illustrated as broken or unfinished christians, with the theme of also being poor and unwashed.
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And also when most of those Europeans converted from Paganism to Christianity. Doubt most Paganists would have even given 10 seconds of thought to the Israelites.
 
norseamd said:
Yes. The ancient migration from Spain to Ireland is well known and the Black Irish are considered as migrating from the Iberian Peninsula although possibly as some later migration although I would have to look it up to be more sure about anything.
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There must have been more than one, now I want to look it up. I've heard historians refer to an actual migration, but in Tom Cahill's excellent How The Irish Saved Civilization I recall him citing something about Prince Ith, a Celtic royal who went to Ireland and got himself killed over a woman, which instigated the Iberians coming up north en masse to even the score. That sounds more like an invasion than a migration to me! 😉
 
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