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digitalsm

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Originally posted by: Kermy
Wasn't the next Xbox going to use the same CPU as the PS3?

Its some form of PowerPC chip from IBM. The Xbox2 dev kits are G5s with a custom Windows OS.
 

TLfromAI

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Originally posted by: Jigga
Originally posted by: RaynorWolfcastle
Originally posted by: Jigga
HOWEVER, with IBM designing workstations around Cell, and Sony/Toshiba putting them in TVs and other devices, I bet we can see some cool things coming out of this. Imagine a TV that can decode ANY video input, upconvert it to 1080p and play it back with Faroudja-like quality? Imagine not needing a special DVD player to play back the latest version of Divx, Xvid, 3ivx, WMV etc. etc. etc. because the TV can do all that? All you need is a dumb disc reader that can feed content to the TV and the TV takes care of the rest.
You're not an EE are you?:p All the things you stated are a lot easier said than done (and some are not handled by the CPU, for that matter).
No, I'm not an EE, I'm a future MBA :p. I understand you can do all these things with fixed-function chips and DSPs, and I was only giving some examples. The key thing is that you would be able to upgrade the capabilities of your TV without replacing it. Why wouldn't Sony prefer to sell you one TV for $3000 and then collect $50-$100 every year for software upgrades, rather than risking you buying a TV from a competitor six years later? The advantage of having a CPU on a TV is you could theoretically connect a computer to it wirelessly over Ethernet--without any connection between video card and TV. You could also program it according to your cable TV or satellite operator, eliminating the need for a set-top box. The Cell sounds like it can takeover the duties of a bunch of fixed-function chips/DSPs and accomplish all their tasks faster and in parallel.

HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
 

Eug

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Cell Fact Sheet:

CELL...bringing supercomputer power to everyday life with latest technology optimized for compute-intensive and broadband rich media applications

SUMMARY:
? Cell is a breakthrough architectural design -- featuring 8 Synergistic Processing Units (SPU) with Power-based core, with top clock speeds exceeding 4 GHz (as measured during initial laboratory testing).
? Cell is OS neutral - supporting multiple operating systems simultaneously
? Cell is a multicore chip comprising 8 SPUs and a 64-bit Power processor core capable of massive floating point processing
? Special circuit techniques, rules for modularity and reuse, customized clocking
structures, and unique power and thermal management concepts were
applied to optimize the design

CELL is a Multi-Core Architecture
? Contains 8 SPUs each containing a 128 entry 128-bit register file and 256KB Local Store
? Contains 64-bit Power ArchitectureTM with VMX that is a dual thread SMT design ? views system memory as a 10-way coherent threaded machine
? 2.5MB of on Chip memory (512KB L2 and 8 * 256KB)
? 234 million transistors
? Prototype die size of 221mm2
? Fabricated with 90nanometer (nm) SOI process technology
? Cell is a modular architecture and floating point calculation capabilities can be adjusted by increasing or reducing the number of SPUs
CELL is a Broadband Architecture
? Compatible with 64b Power Architecture?
? SPU is a RISC architecture with SIMD organization and Local Store
? 128+ concurrent transactions to memory per processor
? High speed internal element interconnect bus performing at 96B/cycle
CELL is a Real-Time Architecture
? Resource allocation (for Bandwidth Management)
? Locking caches (via Replacement Management Tables)
? Virtualization support with real time response characteristics across multiple operating systems running simultaneously
CELL is Security Enabled Architecture
? SPUs dynamically configurable as secure processors for flexible security programming
CELL is a Confluence of New Technologies
? Virtualization techniques to support conventional and real time applications
? Autonomic power management features
? Resource management for real time human interaction
? Smart memory flow controllers (DMA) to sustain bandwidth


[Eug note: VMX is IBM's name for AltiVec]

Originally posted by: Jigga
Other articles have said that the prototype and the version powering PS3 are NOT the same chip! The PS3 Cell will NOT run at 4GHz and will likely have 6 SPEs vs. 8. While 4GHz is theoretically possible, analysts expect PS3's Cell to run between 2-3GHz.
Link?
 

Eug Wanker

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The ISSCC slides are here. It seems like the specs are:

1) A single 64-bit PowerPC core, with VMX SIMD and simultaneous multi-threading
2) 8 Synergistic Processor Elements
3) FlexIO bus interface controller
4) Integrated dual XDR memory controller
5) Elemental Interconnect Bus that connects all of the above
 

SportSC4

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hey looks great.
sony is great at hyping anything.
i'll be impressed when i see what a developer says about their chipset and video of in game footage.

remember the "emotion engine" hype for the ps2?
or ooo... the "64-bit" Jaguar?
all were soo overhyped and i can't believe people are falling for it all over again (at least wait for something tangible)
 

Eug Wanker

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Originally posted by: PhasmatisNox
That sounds really expensive.
Well, it does, but the entire chip is about the same size as the 0.18 um P4 2.0 GHz Williamette.

Originally posted by: SportSC4
hey looks great.
sony is great at hyping anything.
i'll be impressed when i see what a developer says about their chipset and video of in game footage.

remember the "emotion engine" hype for the ps2?
or ooo... the "64-bit" Jaguar?
all were soo overhyped and i can't believe people are falling for it all over again (at least wait for something tangible)
Overhyped? Yes. Good performer? Yes, also.

I expect it to perform very well, even if it isn't anywhere near the crazy hyped up claims.
 

herkulease

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Originally posted by: PhasmatisNox
That sounds really expensive.

exactly which I doubt the full capacity of this will be in the ps3 or whatever they want to call it. Unless people want to pay through the roof for this. they are looking to get a return on it and systems often sell for at a lost. they will simply tag "cell" on the box. hype the 4ghz "cell" put tons of focus on Cell but come product time give people a lesser version of Cell.

Plus who seriously believes sony vision of essentially distributed computing with the ps3 is even feasible? Unless they've changed their hype machine, that's the last I've heard.
 

TuxDave

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I'm slightly confused. Wasn't this supposed to be the dual core processor? I count only one? Two threads on one processor sounds like hyperthreading... what am I missing?
 

Eug

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Originally posted by: TuxDave
I'm slightly confused. Wasn't this supposed to be the dual core processor? I count only one? Two threads on one processor sounds like hyperthreading... what am I missing?
Yes, it sounds like a single-core PowerPC with VMX and SMT, plus 8 additional SPE cores.
 

Koing

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Sounds very good.

Now I want my GT5 and Tekken in HDTV :D

Just hope they can get some decent development and support for the programmers EARLY instead of a year later...

Yes it will be COSTLY BUT they are sharing the costs between themselves and they can use it for SOMETHING else besides gaming. The console will not make any money for Sony, IBM or Toshiba for a while. BUT the games will make Sony money in roytalties. This has been the way for every console. But being able to make the chip do other stuff will help recouperate the costs faster.

Koing