Cell Phones: Don't take your Camera phone to work, you will be fired and charged as a criminal

[dmcowen674]

1-12-2004 Camera Phones Stir Privacy Concerns at Major Corporations

If you work for a major corporation and carry a camera phone to work, you might not be able to do so for much longer. Some major U.S. companies are drafting policies that would prohibit employees from bringing camera phones to work. The move comes amid fears in which these devices and others like it could pose threats to employee privacy and confidential company information. Some of the companies enforcing or looking to enforce the ban are DaimlerChrysler, General Motors and Texas Instruments.

 

[Corn]

Sometimes I think to myself that Dave isn't really a moron, he's just trying to get here what he doesn't get at home: Attention.

Then I see him post idiotic tripe like this thread and I must reconsider.

Earth to Dave: Companies like General Motors and Chrysler have for years forbade anyone from bringing cameras into the office. Now ask yourself what is the difference between a camera and a camera phone?

BTW, the sky is still high.

 

[chess9]

Corn:

Get the boot out of your butt, 'cause it's cutting the blood flow to your penis/brain.

All Dave is doing is pointing to an article raising those concerns. Why attack him for directing our attention to this issue? If you feel the issue is unimportant tell us why. Obviously some companies think the issue is important.

-Robert

 

[Corn]

If you feel the issue is unimportant tell us why.

Already did that. Common sense tells someone that bringing a "camera phone" into a locker room at the local gym is no different than a "camera".

But I suppose you are right, this thread is a wonderful public service for morons without common sense and the title is appropriate in its subtlety. Thank god the morons have Dave to warn them, for surely their employers would not.

 

[tm37]

Yes these companies ALREADY FORBID employees to bring a camera into the work place. A camera phone is no different.

If you work for a major corporation and carry a camera phone to work, you might not be able to do so for much longer. Some major U.S. companies are drafting policies that would prohibit employees from bringing camera phones to work. The move comes amid fears in which these devices and others like it could pose threats to employee privacy and confidential company information. Some of the companies enforcing or looking to enforce the ban are DaimlerChrysler, General Motors and Texas Instruments.

And these penalties are the same if you were to bring a CAMERA in to work. These policies were in place WELL BEFORE the thought of camera phones hit the american consumer.

 

[Orsorum]

I'm failing to see why dmcowen deserves the personal attack. It is a new facet of consumer electronics that is emerging and the laws and regs applicable to older technology are being adapted or applied as is to new technology. Nothing more than a commentary and a heads-up.

Cheers!
Nate

 

[tm37]

Originally posted by: Orsorum
I'm failing to see why dmcowen deserves the personal attack. It is a new facet of consumer electronics that is emerging and the laws and regs applicable to older technology are being adapted or applied as is to new technology. Nothing more than a commentary and a heads-up.

Cheers!
Nate

When I read what I believe to be his take on the subject (this link just leads to a news site) It is written in a manner that would think that theese corperations ARE EVIL.

Dave always seems to trying to find how some policy might have an effect on his freedom. The way that is written is written just like that.

This "new" direction is going to cost people there jobs. That fact is that where I work forbids cameras. ANY CAMERA is not to be brought in. If you chose to bring in your "camera phone" thinking it is exempt for this policy the only thing that should be in question when the fire you is your intelligence.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: Orsorum
I'm failing to see why dmcowen deserves the personal attack. It is a new facet of consumer electronics that is emerging and the laws and regs applicable to older technology are being adapted or applied as is to new technology. Nothing more than a commentary and a heads-up.

Cheers!
Nate

You haven't been spending time in P&N lately have you? Dave is a loony...

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: Orsorum
I'm failing to see why dmcowen deserves the personal attack. It is a new facet of consumer electronics that is emerging and the laws and regs applicable to older technology are being adapted or applied as is to new technology. Nothing more than a commentary and a heads-up.

Cheers!
Nate

You haven't been spending time in P&N lately have you? Dave is a loony...

I try not to spend too much time here. Too easy to lose perspective.

Cheers!
Nate

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Orsorum
I'm failing to see why dmcowen deserves the personal attack. It is a new facet of consumer electronics that is emerging and the laws and regs applicable to older technology are being adapted or applied as is to new technology. Nothing more than a commentary and a heads-up.

Cheers!
Nate

You hit it Nate, according to the other AT experts you have to buy and own two different cell phones now, one for personal use that integrated electronics such as Camera, PDA, MP3 etc but you can't have that one with you at work, you'd have to check it in a safe at the front desk but an old model that is Cell phone only you can go in with but those Models will be hard to find as they are being phased out.

 

[SuperTool]

I guess I won't be getting a camera phone after all. I want to be able to take my phone with me wherever I go.

 

[tm37]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Orsorum
I'm failing to see why dmcowen deserves the personal attack. It is a new facet of consumer electronics that is emerging and the laws and regs applicable to older technology are being adapted or applied as is to new technology. Nothing more than a commentary and a heads-up.

Cheers!
Nate

You hit it Nate, according to the other AT experts you have to buy and own two different cell phones now, one for personal use that integrated electronics such as Camera, PDA, MP3 etc but you can't have that one with you at work, you'd have to check it in a safe at the front desk but an old model that is Cell phone only you can go in with but those Models will be hard to find as they are being phased out.

You could leave your phone in the car.

This is NOT a violation of any RIGHTS you may think you have. I really dig my laptop BUT if it was loaded with porn it would be in violation of the "NO PORN" policy my company cooses to enforce and informed me of WHEN I WAS HIRED.

In Fact every "NO CAMERA" rule I have ever read (I have signed about 100 of these as a requirement as an onsite vendor for various companies) Also they always states "recording device" or something to the effect.

If it can take a picture it is a Camera there is no way around it. If your lunch box had video recording equiptment embedded in it it would fall underneeth the same guidelines.

 

[dirtboy]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
but an old model that is Cell phone only you can go in with but those Models will be hard to find as they are being phased out.

I thought you were going to stop fabricating things? I just bought a new cell phone and I had all kinds of non-camera choices. In fact, I think only one or two had cameras installed.

Phased out, hah.

More like a McFabricowen.

 

[tm37]

NO EVERY CELL PHONE IS GOING TO HAVE A CAMERA IN IT.

Dave to you relize that I when to a company that did not allow CELL PHONES inside due to security concerns?

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: tm37

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Orsorum
I'm failing to see why dmcowen deserves the personal attack. It is a new facet of consumer electronics that is emerging and the laws and regs applicable to older technology are being adapted or applied as is to new technology. Nothing more than a commentary and a heads-up.

Cheers!
Nate

You hit it Nate, according to the other AT experts you have to buy and own two different cell phones now, one for personal use that integrated electronics such as Camera, PDA, MP3 etc but you can't have that one with you at work, you'd have to check it in a safe at the front desk but an old model that is Cell phone only you can go in with but those Models will be hard to find as they are being phased out.

You could leave your phone in the car.

This is NOT a violation of any RIGHTS you may think you have. I really dig my laptop BUT if it was loaded with porn it would be in violation of the "NO PORN" policy my company cooses to enforce and informed me of WHEN I WAS HIRED.

In Fact every "NO CAMERA" rule I have ever read (I have signed about 100 of these as a requirement as an onsite vendor for various companies) Also they always states "recording device" or something to the effect.

If it can take a picture it is a Camera there is no way around it. If your lunch box had video recording equiptment embedded in it it would fall underneeth the same guidelines.

Your eyes and ears are a recording device, time to ban humans too.

 

[LunarRay]

In the midst of the personal diatribe here in resides the salient issue as I see it.

Some major U.S. companies are drafting policies that would prohibit employees from bringing camera phones to work.

If .... IF some major US Companies ARE drafting policies it would seem that the policies existing do not relate legally to the camera included cell phone. I went to the linked site but, found more selections that did not directly relate so I left. Either I overlooked the site or it was not there. In either event, the question I'd raise is: Is Dave's statement a partial quote of the substance of the link or a misreading. More information seems appropriate before a substantive discussion can occur on the merits.

 

[tm37]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: tm37

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Orsorum
I'm failing to see why dmcowen deserves the personal attack. It is a new facet of consumer electronics that is emerging and the laws and regs applicable to older technology are being adapted or applied as is to new technology. Nothing more than a commentary and a heads-up.

Cheers!
Nate

You hit it Nate, according to the other AT experts you have to buy and own two different cell phones now, one for personal use that integrated electronics such as Camera, PDA, MP3 etc but you can't have that one with you at work, you'd have to check it in a safe at the front desk but an old model that is Cell phone only you can go in with but those Models will be hard to find as they are being phased out.

You could leave your phone in the car.

This is NOT a violation of any RIGHTS you may think you have. I really dig my laptop BUT if it was loaded with porn it would be in violation of the "NO PORN" policy my company cooses to enforce and informed me of WHEN I WAS HIRED.

In Fact every "NO CAMERA" rule I have ever read (I have signed about 100 of these as a requirement as an onsite vendor for various companies) Also they always states "recording device" or something to the effect.

If it can take a picture it is a Camera there is no way around it. If your lunch box had video recording equiptment embedded in it it would fall underneeth the same guidelines.

Your eyes and ears are a recording device, time to ban humans too.

Wow you really need to get out Dave you have gone way past delusional.

I can tell you what I saw but in this type of enviorment I can not SHOW you the way a camera does.

Humans are NOT recording devices all to often memory is scewed by many factors including emotions.

 

[tm37]

Originally posted by: LunarRay
In the midst of the personal diatribe here in resides the salient issue as I see it.

Some major U.S. companies are drafting policies that would prohibit employees from bringing camera phones to work.

If .... IF some major US Companies ARE drafting policies it would seem that the policies existing do not relate legally to the camera included cell phone. I went to the linked site but, found more selections that did not directly relate so I left. Either I overlooked the site or it was not there. In either event, the question I'd raise is: Is Dave's statement a partial quote of the substance of the link or a misreading. More information seems appropriate before a substantive discussion can occur on the merits.

This is much like the gym policies, cameras were already forbidden. It is just a clarification of the rule.

Rule 1. NO CAMERAS

Rule 2. THAT MEANS CAMERA PHONES TOO.

My company's policy does not forbid camera phones but it does forbid cameras; If you were to get caught taking pictures with a camera "phone" the penalty would be the same.

There are laws against theft and yet there are also laws against SHOPLIFTING which of course is theft as well.
As times change technologies change as well.

A camera is a camera regardless of how it is housed

 

[etech]

Originally posted by: LunarRay
In the midst of the personal diatribe here in resides the salient issue as I see it.

Some major U.S. companies are drafting policies that would prohibit employees from bringing camera phones to work.

If .... IF some major US Companies ARE drafting policies it would seem that the policies existing do not relate legally to the camera included cell phone. I went to the linked site but, found more selections that did not directly relate so I left. Either I overlooked the site or it was not there. In either event, the question I'd raise is: Is Dave's statement a partial quote of the substance of the link or a misreading. More information seems appropriate before a substantive discussion can occur on the merits.

Camera phones don't click at work

"It's an issue overseas, too. In Munich, BMW spokesman Jochen Frey says the company has signs in the lobby of its technical center banning cameras and camera phones. In South Korea ,Samsung bans camera phones on the job."

 

[B00ne]

Originally posted by: tm37

Originally posted by: Orsorum
I'm failing to see why dmcowen deserves the personal attack. It is a new facet of consumer electronics that is emerging and the laws and regs applicable to older technology are being adapted or applied as is to new technology. Nothing more than a commentary and a heads-up.

Cheers!
Nate

When I read what I believe to be his take on the subject (this link just leads to a news site) It is written in a manner that would think that theese corperations ARE EVIL.

Dave always seems to trying to find how some policy might have an effect on his freedom. The way that is written is written just like that.

This "new" direction is going to cost people there jobs. That fact is that where I work forbids cameras. ANY CAMERA is not to be brought in. If you chose to bring in your "camera phone" thinking it is exempt for this policy the only thing that should be in question when the fire you is your intelligence.

Sorry what kind of idiotic policy is this. Even more funny that you support it. Do u have guns do u hate the gun contol ppl? Just asking but if u also dont like gun control: Examine the favorite phrase of the gunners. "Cameras dont take pictures, humans do - so why control cameras?" btw it speaks books about a companies work climate when they dont even trust their employees and prohibit phones. I dont know if u have noticed but there are no phones anymore without camera, soon there wont be phones without video. This is called progress.

 

[DragonMasterAlex]

Personally I agree with the companies on this one, and with whoever above pointed out that many companies, particularly those that deal with a lot of research and development of specialized products, have for YEARS forbidden cameras, and a camera phone is NO different.

Personally, I think the entire idea of camera phones is STUPID. THey have crappy resolution, crappy color quality, crappy ability to do anything *useful* with the image. Crap, crap, crap. I have a nice Canon Powershot G3 for taking quality pictures and a cell phone for *gasp!* making calls.

Picture phones are STUPID.

Jason

 

[tm37]

Originally posted by: B00ne

Originally posted by: tm37

Originally posted by: Orsorum
I'm failing to see why dmcowen deserves the personal attack. It is a new facet of consumer electronics that is emerging and the laws and regs applicable to older technology are being adapted or applied as is to new technology. Nothing more than a commentary and a heads-up.

Cheers!
Nate

When I read what I believe to be his take on the subject (this link just leads to a news site) It is written in a manner that would think that theese corperations ARE EVIL.

Dave always seems to trying to find how some policy might have an effect on his freedom. The way that is written is written just like that.

This "new" direction is going to cost people there jobs. That fact is that where I work forbids cameras. ANY CAMERA is not to be brought in. If you chose to bring in your "camera phone" thinking it is exempt for this policy the only thing that should be in question when the fire you is your intelligence.

Sorry what kind of idiotic policy is this. Even more funny that you support it. Do u have guns do u hate the gun contol ppl? Just asking but if u also dont like gun control: Examine the favorite phrase of the gunners. "Cameras dont take pictures, humans do - so why control cameras?" btw it speaks books about a companies work climate when they dont even trust their employees and prohibit phones. I dont know if u have noticed but there are no phones anymore without camera, soon there wont be phones without video. This is called progress.

I work and have worked around sensitive (secret) information. Protecting trade secrets is vital to a comapny that spends millions and millions on R&D. I have never worked for a company that prohibited phones BUT I have been a vendor "WHO was forced to toleave his phone with the security guard" While I did not like this policy I wanted the customer. I was told that ALL EMPLOYEES were not to have cell phones at this plant. This was prior to "camera phones" being all the rage.

When dealing with security and protection of ittelectual propery many compnaies choose to err on the side of caution, and it is their right to do so. It is not an infringement of YOUR RIGHTS for me to tell you not to bring recording devices onto my production floor.

As far as your stupid gun analogy goes, many companies forbid guns (mine included). I am saying the government should step in and make camera phones illegal? NO but a private bussiness HAS EVERY RIGHT to ban any item they feel could be used to comprimise their security.

 

[Corn]

Dave sez:

Your eyes and ears are a recording device, time to ban humans too.

I think that justifies the "personal attack" portion of my initial post quite nicely. Besides, is it really a personal attack if merely an accurate description?

B00ne posts:

Sorry what kind of idiotic policy is this. Even more funny that you support it. Do u have guns do u hate the gun contol ppl? Just asking but if u also dont like gun control: Examine the favorite phrase of the gunners. "Cameras dont take pictures, humans do - so why control cameras?" btw it speaks books about a companies work climate when they dont even trust their employees and prohibit phones. I dont know if u have noticed but there are no phones anymore without camera, soon there wont be phones without video. This is called progress.

Well, lookie there, Dave has a kindred spirit.

 

[chess9]

Tm37:

Nice to see another lucid post in this thread.

-Robert

 

[tm37]

Originally posted by: chess9
Tm37:

Nice to see another lucid post in this thread.

-Robert

Thank you I think