Celerons suck real bad but intel continues to rip off the mainstream consumers.

[videoclone]

Anantech put up a new article about the Intel Celeron CPU big shock celerons suck !!!

In fact Celerons suck even worse now then they did when they first came out 8 years ago ( In comparison to there Pentium siblings )

Intel is ripping off those people who go out and buy a system based on a 2.6Ghz Celeron when these people compare it to a system built using an Athlon XP 2200+ CPU they buy the one with the bigger number ??. ie: 2.6Ghz VS 2200+ Celeron wins when in reality the 2.6Ghz Celeron runs about as fast as a 1.4Ghz Duron.

I don?t know how anyone here in anandtech land could ever be an Intel Fanboy when they so blatantly rip the less informed people off and continue to push crap like the celeron into the market?

This has been a long drawn out story for Intel and if anyone remembers the time when the 1Ghz Athlon CPU?s were benchmarking faster then Pentium 4 1.5Ghz CPU?s that cost 2 times as much you can see what i mean /
I hope intel changes its ways in the future ?.. : )

Because in the future If everyone in the world new what we here know
I don?t think intel would ever sell 1 single Celeron CPU EVER Again !!!!

Budget CPU Shootout: Clash of the 'rons

 

[VIAN]

I don't know why they would release something like that, but it's obvious that Intel knows computer illiterate people exist and they know how to make money off of them.

Intel Celeron. All clock, no action.

 

[Shimmishim]

Yes, you are correct to say that the intel celeron chips suck. I think most intel users will agree with you.

However, I don't think that you have any right to say that they are ripping off mainstream consumers. If you are serious about buying a computer, you do research. If a consumer fails to do research, then it's their own fault and naive-ness to believe that bigger numbers equate to better performance.

Take for granted also that a lot of consumers buy computers from retail stores like Best Buy, Circuit City, Office Max, etc. At these stores, Intel representatives aren't the ones selling these things... it is the workers at these stores that work off commission or whatever that push these chips onto consumers who don't know any better.

Before you start a flame war, think before you post.

 

[videoclone]

Yeah your right Shimmishim .......... Intel may not be ripping off the people by selling these celeron based systems directly to the customer.

But does that mean a drug supplier isn?t doing anything bad by growing the drugs so long as he doesn?t sell them himself ???

That analogy could be used for this same situation. Intel know how bad there Celeron CPU?s are bad but they continue to flood the market with these things.

 

[lifeguard1999]

It makes me wonder how a 1.4 GHz Tualatin Celeron for $40, or a 1.2 GHz Tualatin Pentium III for $70 would perform.

 

[orion7144]

They may be bad for you and me but alot of people out there don't need much more than the Celeron's provide. They are not ripping people off just offering them a slower processor to go along with the reduced price. I built my Mom's pc with a Celeron and it is just fine. It would even play Q3 and UT2K3 w/o any hickups (until I took my video card out). So unless you do alot of CPU intensive stuf the Celeron is a good alternative.

 

[Shimmishim]

Originally posted by: videoclone
Yeah your right Shimmishim .......... Intel may not be ripping off the people by selling these celeron based systems directly to the customer.

But does that mean a drug supplier isn?t doing anything bad by growing the drugs so long as he doesn?t sell them himself ???

That analogy could be used for this same situation. Intel know how bad there Celeron CPU?s are bad but they continue to flood the market with these things.

Okay, yes the chip sucks but you get what you pay for. Now, if intel sold the 2.6 ghz celeron for like $150 just cuz it's 2.6 ghz then yes, i'd agree with you that intel was being naughty...

but they're not... they're cheap...

 

[rgreen83]

The reason ppl at retail chains sell celerons to people is because these are the type of people that if they dont know the difference between a celeron and a pentium, explaining it to them and convicing them that they dont want the cheaper computer is like a crime in their eyes. Joe sixpack just dont care what is in there or how slow it may be as long as it is cheap and gets his nagging wife off his back to get a computer.

I sell tons of celerons everyday, but I wouldnt lie to someone and tell them, "hey, this celeron 2.6 will be great for playing HL2 when it comes out!" I think intel is the only one selling celerons, because at their price point, it doesnt take much action on my part other than getting the box down.

 

[Sid59]

gah, just re-read the review. jeez those cellery's suck

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: lifeguard1999
It makes me wonder how a 1.4 GHz Tualatin Celeron for $40, or a 1.2 GHz Tualatin Pentium III for $70 would perform.

Very well, actually. They both outperform the older PIIIs and are nice upgrades for BX mobos with a slot-T adapter.

 

[videoclone]

Originally posted by: orion7144
They may be bad for you and me but alot of people out there don't need much more than the Celeron's provide. They are not ripping people off just offering them a slower processor to go along with the reduced price. I built my Mom's pc with a Celeron and it is just fine. It would even play Q3 and UT2K3 w/o any hickups (until I took my video card out). So unless you do alot of CPU intensive stuf the Celeron is a good alternative.

But for the same price why not get an Athlon XP ?? Why ??

Just because she wont use the extra speed doesn?t mean you should get a slower cpu for the same price as the alternative.

And if you want the cheapest then a Duron would still be faster. and still cost less.

 

[orion7144]

Originally posted by: videoclone

Originally posted by: orion7144
They may be bad for you and me but alot of people out there don't need much more than the Celeron's provide. They are not ripping people off just offering them a slower processor to go along with the reduced price. I built my Mom's pc with a Celeron and it is just fine. It would even play Q3 and UT2K3 w/o any hickups (until I took my video card out). So unless you do alot of CPU intensive stuf the Celeron is a good alternative.

But for the same price why not get an Athlon XP ?? Why ??

Just because she wont use the extra speed doesn?t mean you should get a slower cpu for the same price as the alternative.

And if you want the cheapest then a Duron would still be faster. and still cost less.

Because she lives 2000 miles away and I don't want to be on long distance helping her with the nagging lockups and so on that are standard with the XP and cheaper MB's (VIA based). Yes, I could have built one with a more reliable AMD mb but that negates the cost savings since I only paid $69 for her 1.7 and a good (well reliable) Intel chipset MB at Fry's.

 

[AnimEva]

Originally posted by: orion7144

Originally posted by: videoclone

Originally posted by: orion7144
They may be bad for you and me but alot of people out there don't need much more than the Celeron's provide. They are not ripping people off just offering them a slower processor to go along with the reduced price. I built my Mom's pc with a Celeron and it is just fine. It would even play Q3 and UT2K3 w/o any hickups (until I took my video card out). So unless you do alot of CPU intensive stuf the Celeron is a good alternative.

But for the same price why not get an Athlon XP ?? Why ??

Just because she wont use the extra speed doesn?t mean you should get a slower cpu for the same price as the alternative.

And if you want the cheapest then a Duron would still be faster. and still cost less.

Because she lives 2000 miles away and I don't want to be on long distance helping her with the nagging lockups and so on that are standard with the XP and cheaper MB's (VIA based). Yes, I could have built one with a more reliable AMD mb but that negates the cost savings since I only paid $69 for her 1.7 and a good (well reliable) Intel chipset MB at Fry's.

then u continue to have the misconception that AMD systems are unstable which is untrue.

amd systems are just as stable and have a much better price/performance ratio than intel.

i personally have built both Intel and AMD machines and own 2 amds and 2 intels.

both run great.

have a 2.4c running at 3.0 so far stable, just wanted 250 fsb (1Ghz!!) and a 1700+ at 2800+.

Great performers.

 

[saechaka]

i got a p4 2.53 and an amd xp 2500. both run great but i really wished i had built both with the xp cause it was cheaper. but both computers have been rock solid. so i can say amd rocks just like intel.

 

[Jeff7181]

Celeron = dog turds

But... some people can live on dog turds... I, as well as 90% of people on these boards can't.

 

[VIAN]

Its still retarded. This brings back the old story AMD or Intel. Speed-intel or actual work-amd.

Intel tries to sell chips based on numbers while AMD doesn't - well, they do, because they were forced for the sake of illiterate people and AMDs survival.

Intel is cheating the people. The Celeron, like the P4 is dependent on cache. Why release a chip with such little gain, they should at least have released it with 256k instead of 128k, isnt that goin back like 2 or 3 generations. The 2.6 is barely any gain over the 2.2, yay. That is utterly insulting and they are cheating the people by not delivering the best product they can.

Intel is more than just a CPU, its a name that a lot of people trust and intel knows that and acts based upon that knowledge by cheating the people into buying chips that aren't made well.

I believe in low-end, mid-end, high-end. But I believe in quality. The low end computer should be enough to buy and be content with while the mid-end should be a computer that is high speed and the high-end should be the extreme of extremes with everthing killer.

Low-end should be about $1000, mid-end should be about $2000, and high-end should be $3000. You can make very respectable computers out of those prices. The problem is also from stupid idiot american buyer (not trying to insult anyone, but I've worked in retail, I know) who wants everything as cheap as they can. Cheaper than dirt. Thats where these 400, 500 dollar computers come from and this makes everything wack and forces companies to do these type of things like the celeron.

Right now, my computer is probably worth about a $1000 dollars, without the speakers, monitor, mouse and keyboard. But thats what they have to start doing. A computer is a computer and not the entire thing with the monitor. Everything else should be an accessory. Thats the way it should be.

 

[0roo0roo]

why i support amd, without em, intel would simply rape us

 

[DivideBYZero]

Originally posted by: orion7144

Originally posted by: videoclone

Originally posted by: orion7144
They may be bad for you and me but alot of people out there don't need much more than the Celeron's provide. They are not ripping people off just offering them a slower processor to go along with the reduced price. I built my Mom's pc with a Celeron and it is just fine. It would even play Q3 and UT2K3 w/o any hickups (until I took my video card out). So unless you do alot of CPU intensive stuf the Celeron is a good alternative.

But for the same price why not get an Athlon XP ?? Why ??

Just because she wont use the extra speed doesn?t mean you should get a slower cpu for the same price as the alternative.

And if you want the cheapest then a Duron would still be faster. and still cost less.

Because she lives 2000 miles away and I don't want to be on long distance helping her with the nagging lockups and so on that are standard with the XP and cheaper MB's (VIA based). / Yes, I could have built one with a more reliable AMD mb but that negates the cost savings since I only paid $69 for her 1.7 and a good (well reliable) Intel chipset MB at Fry's.

Please come up to speed. The Athlon platform is very stable, even with cheap VIA motherboards.

More FUD for the fire I suppose....

 

[AMDBarton2500]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
why i support amd, without em, intel would simply rape us

And that my friend is the truth. to be honest they are raping people even with AMD.

Personally I would never buy Intel.....based on their business practice alone. Besides the bang for the buck is just not there. I recommend nothing but AMD to people I know. Of course Intel has great chips also.....lets not kid ourselfs.....Celeraon is just not one of them. Then again Duron is not the greatest thing in the world either.

 

[Killrose]

Celeron+Intel Extreme Graphics=:Q <(Consumer getting a good screwing up the brown eye).

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Intel is a household name thus Celerys sell well due to the cost savings over the P4, and the Celery is fine for internet, e-mail, uploading digital pictures of the grandkids, playing solitaire, and word processing. That is what most people do with their systems so it's lackluster performance isn't really an issue for most users. As I've stated repeatedly they would benefit more from choosing a el cheapo system with a 7200rpm HDD instead of a 5400rpm as oppossed to a faster CPU given the usage IMO. However, please stop with the nonsense about stability issues with AMD platforms, because it's just not true any longer, Even thermal death has been addressed with most manufacturer's boards, and with the 64bit line the IHS is back so AMD has parity with intel in those areas. The IHS does need to be expanded to all AMD CPUs again though as it'll benefit far more users than it'll irritate by it's return.

This is a very exciting time in the desktop arena to my mind! :beer: We are seeing a greater number of viable CPUs, chipsets, and even excellent mainboard manufacturers from which to choose components for any price range build than ever before! It's the golden age of desktop computing! :sun: It's a damned shame so many are too caught up in brand loyalty, grinding axes, or trying to justify/rationalize their purchasing decisions to see it though. This is supposed to be fun, remember??? Stop bashing eveything, stop partcipating in these childish butter battles, stop spouting rhetoric that the companies disseminate, and recapture that stoke you had, that feeling of pride and accomplishment, that came from your very first successful build. Maybe it could happen!....yeah.......and maybe I'm a Chinese jet pilot

 

[Overkast]

This is ridiculous... videoclone, yer getting pissed off at Intel for practicing their right to free marketing. That's what being in a democracy is all about... freedom.

Freedom to sell, freedom to make choices, freedom to buy, freedom to lie, freedom to get sued, etc. etc.

They have every right to make a lower-end chip if they want to... and yes, they even have a right to target a venerable audience as well. You have the right to do research and not buy it if you don't want to. You also have the right to be a mindless cow and go out and buy one without doing research as well.

This is a pointless thread... it looks to me like nothing more than an AMD fanboy (you) using the Celeron processor as an excuse to go Intel-bashing. Saying things like "I don?t know how anyone here in anandtech land could ever be an Intel Fanboy when they so blatantly rip the less informed people off and continue to push crap like the celeron into the market?" is insulting.

I'll tell you how anyone can be an Intel fanboy... it's call "Pentium". I happen to be an Intel fanboy, and I sure as hell don't go bashing AMD fanboys for their processor of choice. You know why? Because it's their FREEDOM to have their own preference.

Let's face it... no matter what YOUR bias is against Celerons... they are in fact a cheap alternative for the consumer. Rgreen83 is exactly right... my Dad bought a friggin' COMPAQ 2.4GHz Celery for himself... then he bought one for his daughter 5 days later to get "his nagging wife (my stepmother) off his back". To make matters worse, I had to witness the whole event... I went to Staples with him trying to talk him out of it saying I could build him a better machine, but he didn't want to hear it. He bought them because of the price.

I couldn't help thinking at that moment in Staples that my Dad was the epitomy of the "clueless consumer". Not only did he buy a Celeron, but he bought it in a Compaq tower. How humiliating. But you know what? I sure as hell can't get mad at Intel for that. He was the dummy, not them.

 

[WobbleWobble]

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero

Originally posted by: orion7144

Originally posted by: videoclone

Originally posted by: orion7144
They may be bad for you and me but alot of people out there don't need much more than the Celeron's provide. They are not ripping people off just offering them a slower processor to go along with the reduced price. I built my Mom's pc with a Celeron and it is just fine. It would even play Q3 and UT2K3 w/o any hickups (until I took my video card out). So unless you do alot of CPU intensive stuf the Celeron is a good alternative.

But for the same price why not get an Athlon XP ?? Why ??

Just because she wont use the extra speed doesn?t mean you should get a slower cpu for the same price as the alternative.

And if you want the cheapest then a Duron would still be faster. and still cost less.

Because she lives 2000 miles away and I don't want to be on long distance helping her with the nagging lockups and so on that are standard with the XP and cheaper MB's (VIA based). Yes, I could have built one with a more reliable AMD mb but that negates the cost savings since I only paid $69 for her 1.7 and a good (well reliable) Intel chipset MB at Fry's.

Please come up to speed. The Athlon platform is very stable, even with cheap VIA motherboards.

More FUD for the fire I suppose....

I'm going to have to agree with orion7144. Via's track record isn't as great as Intel's when it comes to chipsets. In my opinion, Intel is the best chipset maker available right now. And since you can only get an Intel CPU for an Intel chipset, I think that orion7144 was justified in getting that Celeron system. Sure, the AthlonXP is faster, but how much of a difference would that make to his mom? Think she would notice the diff? I doubt it.

 

[MoeStooge]

I don't think he was referring to stability issues with Athlons, but more with the cheaper VIA chipsets.

VIA chipsets (unless something has changed in the last year) are generally not very stable. This is not a reflection on AMD, but a reflection on VIA so don't get your panties in a wad.

The CPU industry is a lot like prison life. Right now Intel is the badass of the cellblock. This entitles them to make you their bitch. That's why you carry a shank with you and never bend over in the shower. One day, Intel might get lazy and AMD will come along with a rusty pipe and a pillow case and leave Intel bloody and beaten in the infirmary. If you think your safe to unclench your cheeks then you are wrong. AMD will give you a wig and call you woman and you won't be walking straight for several months. Keep your eyes open and don't sleep at night and you'll finish your term.

 

[myocardia]

No offense, Moe, but it sure sounds like you're speaking from first-hand experience!