Celeron Tualatin Overclocking - What is Better?

[PhoenixOfWater]

Hi.. I'm thinking of get a Celeron Tualatin but i do not know what speel I should get 1.0Ghz or 1.1Ghz. I want to be able to get to 1.5Ghz...or more if i can..
Its is what i am thinking

10 X 150 = 1.50Ghz
With its one i'm going to need to get SDRAM PC150 and that costs two time as much as PC133..and i don't know if i can get a chip that high on aircooling and my PCI and AGP would be to hight...

11 X 137 = 1.50Ghz
With its one.. It look EZer to get to and i only have to use PC133 and the PCI and AGP would be ok, but i know that the 150FSB would be better then the 137FSB..can a Celeron Tualatin 1.1Ghz chip go higher (11 x 150) on aircooling?

and what Motherboard would be good to overclock the Tualatin chip..i have been look at the Gigabyte Motherboard..i haven't hear anything bad about Gigabyte but i haven't hear anything good about them too...

Thank you

 

[PhoenixOfWater]

 

[AkumaX]

i dunno.. i got my generic + crucial micron pc133 cas3 sdram 7.5ns to 10 x 160 (???)

 

[PhoenixOfWater]

what about you PCI/AGP speed (running at 10 * 160)

 

[techwanabe]

Recommendations from folks and information led me to buy the ABIT ST6 motherboard for my Tualy. I bought the 1.0A Cely Tualy with the logic being that most all Tualy's have a limit somewhere around 1.5 ghz or so. So by going with the lower speed CPU, the fsb bandwidth could be maximized by. However, you'll need HQ memory to get the FSB up to 150 FSB/1.5 ghz CPU. Still, that is the best performance wise. Otherwise, youl'll have lower memory bandwidth at the 1.5 ghz CPU speed.

 

[Doctorweir]

I run a Tualatin Celly on a BX-Mobo (Abit BF6) right now (1.3 GHz, B1 stepping).
I still have intensive testing ahead of me, but the processor is very stable overclocked (currently at 1630, target is 1733@133FSB).

From other experiences and mine I would suggest you buy the 1.2 GHz part.
Look for the B1 stepping, which is *potentially* more stable. It is identifiable through 9 capacitors (1.5 uF each) on the bottom compared to 12 (1.0 uF each) on the A1 chips.

The 1.2 GHz part should easily overclock to a nice 1.6 GHz @ 133FSB and keep your PC133 memory in spec.
I wanted this one too, but the dealer had none in stock and gave me the 1.3 for the same price, so...

 

[Doctorweir]

EDIT: dp, %§§"*&%** Explorer

 

[PhoenixOfWater]

but you would still get better memory bandwidth with (10X150) but 100Mhz less CPU...so is it better to have faster memory or fast CPU?
and if i buy a 1.2Ghz how am i to tell before i buy it if it have 9 capacitors or 12?

 

[Doctorweir]

but you would still get better memory bandwidth with (10X150) but 100Mhz less CPU...so is it better to have faster memory or fast CPU?

Sure, memory bandwidth (especially with good old DRAM) is very important...but as you already mentioned there is the cost issue. The performance increase is linear...PC150 will give you ~13% more performance than PC133. You be the judge if it's worth it

About telling before buying....hmmm....if you have a dealer that let's you see some of his tray processors in advance...hmmm
Rumors say the new stepping is delivered since July 22nd, so a big dealer with high stock input/output should only have new ones...hopefully...

To give a hint regarding processor performance: @1.6 the tualatin is equal to an Athlon XP1800+/P4 2.0A...memory is of course the big bottleneck here compared to RDRAM and DDR Systems...

 

[Doctorweir]

 

[PhoenixOfWater]

What about the 1.1aGhz... (11X145=1600Ghz) so now you have CPU and MEM speed up there. I'll my be able to use some HQ PC133 Ram (1.1Ghz have B1 stepping?) and i can get a it at googlegear Link and its only $63....so what do you think about the 1.1aGhz

 

[apoppin]

Unfortunately, it's all a crapshoot. You pays your money and you takes your chances . . .

I got a 1.2ghz Tually Celeron last November and it was only able to do a 3% O/C with stock voltage . . . I got another one (in a PowerLeap RMA) last week and it makes 126 FSB at stock voltage.

 

[AkumaX]

Originally posted by: PheonixOfWater
what about you PCI/AGP speed (running at 10 * 160)

fortunately my motherboard has crazy pll dividers, so right now @ 160mhz fsb my pci/agp bus is within spec (32/64). it can support up to 200mhz fsb and still have a pll of 33/66 too bad i dont have ram/cpu that would go that high

 

[PhoenixOfWater]

I remember reading some place that the 1.0aGHz and 1.1aGHz are the best overclockers out of all the Celeron Tualatin...

@1.6 the tualatin is equal to an Athlon XP1800+/P4 2.0A

is that with a Celeron Tualatin or P3 Tualatin 512K?

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: PhoenixOfWater
I remember reading some place that the 1.0aGHz and 1.1aGHz are the best overclockers out of all the Celeron Tualatin...

@1.6 the tualatin is equal to an Athlon XP1800+/P4 2.0A

is that with a Celeron Tualatin or P3 Tualatin 512K?

Neither - I believe it is way overstated - more likely the 1.6 Tually Celeron is equalvlent (more or less) to the 1.4Ghz Athlon or the (old) P4 1.8 (maybe 2.0). Remember the Celeron is SDRAM only.

Best O/C'er? no way to say for sure . . .it is luck in getting the "right" CPU and a good stepping. Likely, the 1.0 will perform better IF you can get the FSB to 150 or so.

I am completely satisfied with my 1.2's performance @ 1.51Ghz (126FSB) at a pretty normal voltage.

 

[Doctorweir]

I think all newer dated tualies should overclock quite well (esp. B1's). A friend of mine bought a 1.2 (A1) a month ago and it runs 1.6 without problems...

My 1.3 is right now at 1.7 with decent voltage increase (+0.15) and temps still give me room for more...

Neither - I believe it is way overstated - more likely the 1.6 Tually Celeron is equalvlent (more or less) to the 1.4Ghz Athlon or the (old) P4 1.8 (maybe 2.0). Remember the Celeron is SDRAM only

As I said, memory is the bottle neck...what I meant is raw CPU power (MIPS & MFLOPS). @1.7 I get the same MIPS/FLOPS like an Athlon XP 2000+ or P4 2.2A (not SSE2 FLOPS) => quite some bang for the buck, because no upgrade from good old BX was neccessary...together with a decent TI4200 I get over 9000 3DMarks, what do i want more...?
Ok, 3GHz P4 with PC1066 RDRAM, you got me...

But honestly...it's really enough...for now...

 

[abovewood]

I can only get 15 to 18% OC out of a 1.1A at default voltage and retail fan. It is in a mATX system.

 

[UJ09]

AkumaX, what m/b that you're using? Also what mem timing that you're using? 160fsb sounds incredible to me though, I managed to run my Cel 1.1A at 144fsb, with 2-2-2 mem timing.

 

[AkumaX]

Originally posted by: UJ09
AkumaX, what m/b that you're using? Also what mem timing that you're using? 160fsb sounds incredible to me though, I managed to run my Cel 1.1A at 144fsb, with 2-2-2 mem timing.

im using the gigabyte 6oxt (no vcore adjust, so i had to do vidpin trick for 1.675v), my mem settings are all 3-3-3 but eh... do i want to spend more $$$ on ram? ive been using this micron since last year... but i just got lucky and got a jewel highest i can post is 163mhz fsb, but system is perfectly stable (w/ a jillion loops of 3dmark2001)

 

[UJ09]

Mem timing at 3 might let you have an impressive overclocking result, but performance wise, mem setting at 2 outperform it at no times. It's advisable to stick with 2, especially if you're seeking for higher benchmark score in 3dmark2001.

My m/b is MSI BX Master, it doesn't have much PCI/AGP setting. I'm running my Cel1.1A at 144fsb at 1.75v, I can get it run at 150fsb but I have to push up the voltage even further, and this'll stress my celery badly and probably will kill the celery anytime.

What's your 3dmark score btw? I managed to get 9700 with my Ti4200 64mb at 300/600. I want to join the 10K club, so any tips will be welcome.

 

[PhoenixOfWater]

I think i'm going to get the 1.1aGHz.. I just need to find a nice Mobo...Can any one help!....it need to be a Micro ATX...i would like it to have everthing on the Mobo(Sound/Lan)...with or without video(better if its without).. if it have no video on the Mobo that i be use a Geforce PCI(will overclocking f*ck the video?)...and then i need a good Power suppy(250 sounds good?) and what kind of CPU fan do i need to keep the chip cool....

 

[Richardito]

For good overclockability at near stock FSB speeds choose the 1.1A. Just get good (PNY) ram and you should be able to go to 150MHz easily. Air-cooling is more than good for these chips. I'm currently using an Abit VH6T board and I can get a FSB of 150+MHz's.

 

[Richardito]

Originally posted by: PhoenixOfWater
I think i'm going to get the 1.1aGHz.. I just need to find a nice Mobo...Can any one help!....it need to be a Micro ATX...i would like it to have everthing on the Mobo(Sound/Lan)...with or without video(better if its without).. if it have no video on the Mobo that i be use a Geforce PCI(will overclocking f*ck the video?)...and then i need a good Power suppy(250 sounds good?) and what kind of CPU fan do i need to keep the chip cool....

PCI Vcards are more forgiving than AGP to overclocks.

 

[PhoenixOfWater]

currently using an Abit VH6T board and I can get a FSB of 150+MHz's

I know that the Abit VH6T is a nice board but i'm really looking for a Micro ATX..are there any out there???? and what will i need as far as a Power suppy?

 

[abovewood]

I know that the Abit VH6T is a nice board but i'm really looking for a Micro ATX..are there any out there???? and what will i need as far as a Power suppy?

I am using a Chaintech 6VIA5T in a mATX Toshiba case with 150W PS.
The motherboardd chipset is VIA 694T, with 1 AGP, 3 PCI, 1 ISA (perfect for my ISA PCMCIA adapter).
It has built in sound, but doesn't offer voltage adjustment.

http://www.chaintech.com.tw/Products/socket370/6via5t.htm