celeron tualatin 1.5 vs Athlon XP 1500+

[Kaiser__Sose]

which would be faster???

Celeron tualatin @ 1.486ghz or Athlong XP 1500+

both would be running with SD ram.
Celeron on a CUV4X and the XP 1500+ on a ECS K7S5A.

lmk.
thanks.

 

[Corporate Thug]

i would wager the 1500+ is faster

 

[Mist]

Celeron's far better for general use. Look at my signature.

And btw, a Celeron runs a lot cooler.

Michael.

 

[Corporate Thug]

Originally posted by: Mist
Celeron's far better for general use. Look at my signature.

And btw, a Celeron runs a lot cooler.

Michael.

can u be a bit more specific about why the celeron would be a lot better for general use?

 

[Mist]

Because basically, it's a P3 chip, the only difference being that it has hardware pre-fetch turned off.

It's an excellent upgrade because you can easily cannibalise parts from an old system to use.

It's easily fast enough for most PC use, I even use mine for video encoding and audio work.

It's a great chip.

Michael.

 

[Kaiser__Sose]

well i have all the parts for both...
I'm just running a celeron tualatin 1.5 for my bro.. (he plays some games has a GF3 etc)... and it runs pretty well.. just wondering if i should swap it out for the XP 1500+ that i'm going to use for my dad's internet surfing box....
If the difference is not that big i will just keep the celeron in there cuz it's a bit of a hassle take everything out and swap in the XP 1500+...
but if there will be a noticable change i will swap out the celeron combo for the XP 1500+ combo.

 

[Mingon]

Because basically, it's a P3 chip, the only difference being that it has hardware pre-fetch turned off.

wrong, it has the prefetch enabled but has less cache than the pIIIS (256 vs 512) and a 100mhz bus. A 1.1a @ 1.466 is equivalent to a 2000xp in most benches.

 

[Mist]

Nope, a standard P3 Tualatin only has 256k L2 cache, same as the Celeron.

On the otherhand, only a P3 S (Server) has the 512k L2 cache, which is why they are far more expensive to buy.

Michael.

 

[rogue1979]

The Athlon would be faster because it is running a 133MHz fsb vs. the Celeron Tualatin at 100MHz. If you overclock a slower Celeron to a 133MHz fsb or higher, than an equally clocked Athlon on the same fsb speed would be very close with SDRAM. The Celeron does fall way behind though when you pair the Athlon with DDR ram which the Celeron Tualatin can't do. Since the K7S5A can support DDR also, go with the Athlon and upgrade your memory later. If you haven't bought anything yet, get a 1700+ t-bred "B" and a refurbished Nforce2 from newegg. The board and the cpu would be close to the same price, get the cheapest DDR you can find for now to save money. Even at 266MHz DDR this combo will blow away the other options, not even factoring in that the 1700+ will hit 2000-2300MHz. You can upgrade your DDR later.

 

[Mingon]

Nope, a standard P3 Tualatin only has 256k L2 cache, same as the Celeron.

Their is no tualatin p III only the PIIIs or the celeron

1.0a @ 1.5 review

 

[DAPUNISHER]

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: Mist
Celeron's far better for general use.
Michael.

According to the Xbits review linked above that's not the case

But Intel "endowed" Celeron CPUs with a grave performance restriction - a CPU bus with low bandwidth. In most cases it doesn't let Celeron CPU reveal their potential. Even overclocking doesn't help: the processor bus of any other up-to-date CPU is at least twice as fast. So, Celeron CPUs overclocked up to 1.5GHz mostly cannot catch up with Athlon XP 1500+ processors.

I would put the 1500+ setup in your bro's rig since he games more.

 

[Mingon]

Its a big hassle for not much performance gain keep it as it is unless you want the hassle of reinstalling drivers etc.

 

[Kaiser__Sose]

thanks for all the help guys...
from that article i think they have similar performance .. even if the XP 1500+ is a bit better it's not worth the hassle of re-installing everything..

 

[DAPUNISHER]

LOL, you guys kill me! So much for computer enthusiasts Hassle? Dad's isn't built yet correct? So you are just taking your bro's board and chip out and replacing it with the 1500+ combo which you can overclock in that K7S5A and really start pulling away from the celery and doing a fresh install. You have to build Pop's anyways so it's a minimal amount of extra work you lazy bastages J/K

 

[Mist]

LOL!!

You're quite right of course, but I'm a staunch defender of the Tualatin Celeron!

Greatest chip known to mankind!

Michael.

 

[Kaiser__Sose]

Yea true.. but i really don't have dat much time...
between work and the stable of 7 skets that i'm jugglin and the fact that i don't use d computas dat often anymore...It's summer time and i try to pretend to have a life.. It's the jump off in T.O in summer.. going out from thus to tues takes time and is tiring .....

i know if i end up swapping em it'll take me a good 2 weeks to get things done...

as an example... about 2 months ago i got 4 80gig JB's and it took me a month to get around to settin up my array...

i have a couple wireless cards sittin around here that i have to get to as well...

just another thing to add to the list..

 

[Kaiser__Sose]

ok.. u've convinced me.. i'm going to swap them...
...

 

[Kaiser__Sose]

Question..
cuz it'll be my first time venturing into athlon teritory after all the years workin with intel platforms :

will PC 2700 mem work in a mobo designed for PC 2100.. ie.. will ddr 333 memory work in the above mentioned ECS K7S5A????
(similar to pc 133 workin in pc 100 boards.. most of the time anyway).

 

[rogue1979]

Yes, you can use any higher rated memory, but it will only run as fast as your motherboard.

 

[Kaiser__Sose]

yea thanks.. well ... they are the same price.. so i figure might be able to overclock the FSB a bit with the higher rated memory...

 

[Kaiser__Sose]

well..
looks like the masses were right..
the XP 1500+ scores higher in sandra multimedia , memory, and cpu benchmarkes.
but in the real world can't really see that much of a diff.
haven't tried any games yet though..

gonna get an overclocking bios for the board and see what happens.