celeron D on the 775

[slurmsmackenzie]

i'm having trouble finding a celeron D for sale that's in the 2.8 range. also, as far as the L2 cache is concerned... would i be losing alot of performance in constrast to a similarly clocked p4? would it be in my best interest to save the 60 dollars and put that towards a video card? does the deleron have HT? cainam.... if you're there... toss me a freakin bone!

 

[21stHermit]

Originally posted by: slurmsmackenzie
i'm having trouble finding a celeron D for sale that's in the 2.8 range. also, as far as the L2 cache is concerned... would i be losing alot of performance in constrast to a similarly clocked p4? would it be in my best interest to save the 60 dollars and put that towards a video card? does the deleron have HT? cainam.... if you're there... toss me a freakin bone!

The Celeron D is quite an overclocker and while it is slower than a P4, its not clear if its the 4X cache or the higher FSB. This GRAPH compares several P4's and Celeron D's.

The graph is for video encoding, if you're gaming, your always better off going Athlon.

 

[mindwreck]

Just got my deleron from a frys deal for $120 including motherboard. see sig. It oc'ed to about 3.5 straight out the box but temps were too high for my liking so I scaled it back down. I'm waiting for my xp90 before i push it more

it does not have HT but has the same instructions as the Prescott core (sse3, etc)

i bought it mainly cause it was cheap at frys, good overclocker, light gaming, but mainly for encode stuff.

It handles games fairly well, but if your a serious gamer I would highly recommend an Amd.

edit:info@x-bit labs

 

[Zap]

Haha, my Deleron? Fry's deal was $89 for a 320, running great at 3.6GHz on 800MHz FSB. Of course I didn't use the included disposable motherboard and used aftermarket cooling... Probably would have done it on stock cooling. Motherboard is an Asus P4P800 Deluxe.

 

[21stHermit]

Originally posted by: Zap
Haha, my Deleron? Fry's deal was $89 for a 320, . . . . Of course I didn't use the included disposable motherboard and used aftermarket cooling.

Help me understand this logic. If you can buy the 320 from NewEgg for ~$77, why pay $89 and toss all the pieces?

Motherboard is an Asus P4P800 Deluxe.

No question the Asus MB is among the best.

 

[Zap]

Well, I bought it a few months ago. At that time Newegg was not any cheaper, plus the motherboard it came with was an FIC board that used the 865P chipset. No 800MHz FSB support and no chipset voltage tweaks, so it was limited for using the Deleron, but it did dual channel memory and had various other overclocking settings in BIOS (Vcore, FSB, AGP/PCI lock). It proved a capable overclocking partner for an older P4 2.4B - for free (at the time). More recently I got a Deleron 330 combo from Fry's with an ECS 848P motherboard for $79. Unfortunately to hit 800MHz FSB the CPU would have had to run at 4GHz. It would, but not stable.

To help slurmsmackenzie some more... There's nothing a Pentium 4 can do that a Deleron cannot, just at a slower pace and for less money. If you want to save money, get a Fry's mobo/CPU combo at whatever speed they're offering. You'll get a functional setup that will let you overclock a bit for the cost of the CPU alone. If you want to save money but want better performance, get an overclockable motherboard with dual channel DDR and get a Deleron 315 or 320, and overclock those to at least 3.4 or 3.6GHz respectively. You'll get really good performance out of it for the dollar. I have a Pentium 4 2.4A overclocked to 2.8GHz on an Abit IS7 motherboard and a Deleron 320 overclocked to 3.6GHz on an Asus P4P800 Deluxe. Both have 2x512MB running dual channel synchronous and the Deleron system feels much snappier. The 4X cache on the P4 doesn't seem to be able to make up for the 800MHz clock speed difference, plus the FSB/RAM speed difference of 624MHz (P4) versus 800MHz (Deleron).

I believe that higher clock speed, high FSB and dual channel RAM helps the Deleron quite a bit. Remember that the Deleron already has 2X the cache of the Northwood models. More cache is better, but it seems as if the 128k cache of the Northwood was not "enough" for many programs while the 256k cache of the Deleron is enough, thus unfairly crippling the Northwood Celeron more than the Deleron is hurt from less cache. Just a thought, no proof to back it up.

 

[21stHermit]

WOW I get the picture in Technicolor.

Originally posted by: Zap
Well, I bought it a few months ago . . . .

I would appreciate your comments on my budget Deleron system, particularly the MB and RAM. Here's my primary use: I'm stitching panoramas and blending the seams. Its the blending that takes so much time, 5X of the stitching. The program is Enblend. It is my belief that this is similiar to video encoding, where GHz rules.

Celeron-D 2.4 GHz
MSI NEO2-PLS w/video
Mushkin 2x512 DDR3200
Coolmax Taurus 400W

I will eventually (6 months) move to 3GB RAM and a 10K SATA HD so factor than into your comments.

Not many AT forum members understand the Deleron's potential, its clear you do.