Celeron banished to 3rd world!?!

[Tripleshot]

This is sad news for intel.They seem to be covering up there shame by declaring(rumor) to build integrated celeron mainboards with cpu,sound,video,lmr,cnr.

Duron spanks celeron but I would have prefered a test on the bx platform rather than the 815.

Nice review.

http://www.planethardware.com/reviews/CPUs/Celeron700/

 

[AndyHui]

Um....Are you referring to the Tinma? That processor (thing ) has been on Intel's roadmaps for quite a while. Not good I have to agree, but there were rumours on http://www.theregister.co.uk that it has been delayed for a while simply because Intel is having problems fitting so many things onto a single chip.

Similar in many ways to the Cyrix Media GX.

 

[Tripleshot]

AndyHui

The reviewer mentions that he believes intels integrated solution is in responce to a cyrix threat.PARANOIA? The advertizing dollor was spent on touting how great the celeron is,now it is being chopped up and spread like peanutbutter on a mainboard to be served up to the poor in third world countries so more people can clammer for bandwidth.

IMHO if Intel doesn't do something quick,this year it's over for intel products.I will gear up to sell AMD because it would be hared to argue the benifits of Intel against AMD.I believe my Athlon performs as well as my PIII and it was less expensive to build.

I just want to see Intels next move.

 

[MadRat]

Intel is feeling the affects of being confronted on many fronts. Its a natural progression of technology, really. As something in the market evolves it becomes too much for any one entity to develop. Microsoft Windows is another strong example of natural progression; no longer can Microsoft develop software as one entity because the only way possible to do so was to stifle the entire community!

 

[dkozloski]

This idea of an integrated system on one chip looks great at first glance (Cyrix, Timna). But all it means is that you will have a system that is obsolete in all aspects at once, with no way to remedy the situation.

 

[Ulysses]

Intel may be counting on the Willamette (P4) to become the new high performance champ, leaving the P3 and Athlon for the mid level. Then at some point they'll goose up the Celeron with a faster bus to compete better with Duron at the low end. And maybe the Celeron @ 66 MHz could become a Third World chip - it might make them tons of money, since they could produce them like hotcakes using well established technologies.

At the high end they may be expecting the combination of AMD, VIA and DDR to be too ineffective (at least at first) to compete effectively with the P4.

 

[Ulysses]

Tripleshot:
While the Celeron and P3 lines may be reaching the end of their useful lives, the 815E looks like a cost efficient solution for business with all those built-ins. Swapping in a new mobo for a defective one is about the same cost as diagnosing a problem and then swapping in something else like a video card. For business the PC is just a tool. But for the enthusiast it's a whole 'nother matter.

I've even noticed that in high-end systems for business the cost of Rambus doesn't appear to be so significant. It's another story, of course, for the individual consumer.

 

[Tripleshot]

Ulysses

<<For business the PC is just a tool. But for the enthusiast it's a whole 'nother matter.>>

I could not agree more with this statement.In fact,I believe a full 85% of the marketplace doesn't give a hoot about what we rave about in this forum.There is no doubt a market exists for integrating cpus into the motherboard.I have a slug of them here--286--386--486.Thats the problem.Planned obselesence.These things will work only until either the software demands dictate an upgrade or the user finds he wants more to do with his investment than the limited amount he can do with his current configuration. I do not favor swapping an entire mobo to fix a problem.If we get to that,I see visions of chop shops and soldering irons on the horizon.I had to do that on my old atari 520st.I opened the case/keyboard and soldered ram chips in piggy backed to the chips on the mobo. Not a good way to do business.

 

[Cosmic_Horror]

most people use there computer to surf the net, and use office type applications , word, excel etc etc...

intergrated systems are cost effective and provide a resonab;e level of performance for these apps...

 

[rahvin]

<<This idea of an integrated system on one chip looks great at first glance (Cyrix, Timna). But all it means is that you will have a system that is obsolete in all aspects at once, with no way to remedy the situation.>>

Given a chip price and a motherboard price of around $50(in volume) and a $20 case. We could easily be seeing $199 full featured computers (minus the monitor) when timna is unvieled. Given that cost, the fact that it is disposible isn't gonna mean sh!t to 95% of the computer users out there. Computers are moving towards the VCR model, disposable and no user control. If it breaks or gets obsolete you get rid of the whole thing and get a new one.

This is the consumer model of the US, computer's have run contrary to that until now. Do not underestimate the appeal of a system like this to 95% of the people out there.

 

[OneEng]

Have any of you EVER had a computer at work updated?.......me either. The business market is such that &quot;upgrade&quot; is synonomous with &quot;new computer&quot;.

Now we home users.....there is another story. If people only knew how easy it is to build and upgrade their systems, Gateway, Dell and Compaque (and others) would see a screaching halt to the Retail computer market as we know it today. Currently this is AMD's strongest domain.

 

[MadRat]

The business world has to justify the new equipment by its write-off length. If they write off the expense over a single year then its worth more, but it may not be advantageous in the long run. If they write it off over seven years it becomes more convenient for some utterly confusing reason. I have heard the seven year write-off advantage before, but cannot remember the logic.