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cdr still not obsolete?

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RobCur

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i;m hold ing off for dvd burner for at least another year, its expsenvisve and just a waste of $$$
not to mention most dvd burner are still trial and error w/too many media/hardware problems 🙁
 
I agree with you totally. I don't burn dvd's and don't store mass amounts of data so I don't need the dvd media. I burn cd's with songs and copy games time to time (for backup purposes 🙂).

Even though I have a 4X dvd+rw burner, I still haven't burned a single dvd+r disc to it yet.
 
for me, dvdr's are still too expensive, and i dont have enough stuff to make burning dvd's worth it for me. right now, the cost of equivilent numbers of blank cd's and dvd's are nearly the same, so its not worth it to me to get dvdr's when cdr's store the same amount of data for the same (or maybe pennies more).
 
Originally posted by: gordanfreeman
for me, dvdr's are still too expensive, and i dont have enough stuff to make burning dvd's worth it for me. right now, the cost of equivilent numbers of blank cd's and dvd's are nearly the same, so its not worth it to me to get dvdr's when cdr's store the same amount of data for the same (or maybe pennies more).
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Ironically, perhaps, that's exactly why I plan on my next upgrade being a decent 8x (maybe dual-layer) dual-format DVD burner - because the DVD media costs have finally crossed the threshhold to become cheaper per-MB than CD media. Plus, decent-quality drives can be had for under $100, such as the NEC 2510A.

I don't see DVD obsoleting CD-R any time soon though, there are plenty of devices that are tied to the CD format. (Game consoles, mainly, but music CDs also.) Plus, CD-Rs are more universally-compatible than recordable DVDs, at least for the immediate near future.

I have quite a collection of random data archived onto CD-Rs. Considering the storage-density improvement with DVD, and the same per-MB storage costs, the answer should be clear.

I've also just finally cleared out several boxes of 3.5in floppy archives. I hope to do the same to my CD collection in a year or two.

Sadly, I expect that recordable DVD will be surpassed by a new optical-recording format in yet another 3-5 years. Then the cycle begins anew - backup, copy, transfer, archive... and the worst part, trash old tech.
 
Some people "need" a GeForce 6/R X800, some are fine with Intel Extremely Crappy GFX, some "need" and Audigy2 Platinum Ultra Mega Deluxe Edition, some are fine with AC97 onboard, some "need" a DVD burner, some are fine with a 3.5" floppy.

What's your point?
 
i have burnt about 100 dvdrs so far, more data to be burnt resides on my hard drive. since a dvd roughly is equal to 6 cds in terms of avaialble storage space, i would need 600cds if i went with cdrs. thats 6 times more volume, 6 times higher chance of getting things misplaced or scratched up, more time wasted on burning stuff, and last but not least a single dvd holds about 23-24 episodes, depending encoding algorithms used. considering most series i watch are exactly 24 episodes, this is very handy. cds would have forced me to switch them 4 times for each series :|
 
I started a part time business shortly after buying my DVD burner. I find it to be absolutely necessary to me and worth every penny I spent.

Different strokes for different folks.
 
DVD burners are great, and they burn regular CDR's fine... also no problems with hardware or anything... they are also cheap.
 
well i was about to starting burning all my anime onto cd's.. but that would require a LOT of time and a LOT of cd-r's to fit everything. not to mention i often can only fit 2-3 episodes a disc with an extra 100-150mb space leftover because the episodes are too big. with over 60gigs to burn, i decided to finally get a dvd burner just to quickly free up space on my hd.

cd-r's are useless for this now. still good for cd's, lol.
 
well yea if u pay full price for cd-r's, then the cost per meg is like pretty close to dvdr i bet. just a guess. cdr's are just too little🙁 dvdr's need dual layer...all prices need to drop.
 
Originally posted by: wkwong
well i was about to starting burning all my anime onto cd's.. but that would require a LOT of time and a LOT of cd-r's to fit everything. not to mention i often can only fit 2-3 episodes a disc with an extra 100-150mb space leftover because the episodes are too big. with over 60gigs to burn, i decided to finally get a dvd burner just to quickly free up space on my hd.

cd-r's are useless for this now. still good for cd's, lol.
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my sentiments exactly. the only time i ever touch cdrs is for occasional music cds and burning stuff for people who dont have dvdrom drives..
 
I got my DVD burner back when they were still $300. Still works fine. Use it all the time to copy umm movies. 😉
 
Originally posted by: RobCur
i;m hold ing off for dvd burner for at least another year, its expsenvisve and just a waste of $$$
not to mention most dvd burner are still trial and error w/too many media/hardware problems 🙁
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My first CD-R was $450 for a 2X Philips, and that was below the store's cost. CD-R media used to be about $7 for see-thru media that lasted about 6 months, and $14 for HP SureStore media that was supposed to last forever but would shatter if you dropped it. It all depends on what you're burning.

An 8X DVD-RW/+RW with dual-layer is $88. It doesn't make any sense to say that's a waste of money. Decent 8X DVD-R media is also available in 50-packs for $40. It's very difficult to justify saying that's a waste of money. DVD-R drives cost about 2.5X as much as CD-R drives. DVD-R media only costs about 2.5X as much as CD-R media and it holds over 6 times as much.

And I certainly don't understand you saying burners are "trial and error." I haven't seen anybody have trouble with a burner in a long time. Just about the dumbest kid in the world with the cheapest burner doesn't seem to have any problem with it.
 
Originally posted by: VirtualLarry
I don't see DVD obsoleting CD-R any time soon though, there are plenty of devices that are tied to the CD format. (Game consoles, mainly, but music CDs also.) Plus, CD-Rs are more universally-compatible than recordable DVDs, at least for the immediate near future.
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All modern game consoles use DVD-ROM's. The PS2 was released four years ago and uses them.

I've taken a lot of stuff on CD-R and movied it to DVD-R just for convenience. Part of the reason I bought a DVD burner two years ago was so I could backup my MP3's on 8 DVD-R's instead of 50 CD-R's.
 
Originally posted by: Tostada

And I certainly don't understand you saying burners are "trial and error." I haven't seen anybody have trouble with a burner in a long time. Just about the dumbest kid in the world with the cheapest burner doesn't seem to have any problem with it.
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oh i still have problems today w/ my burner. could have just been what i was trying to burn but it still can be a problem.
 
And I certainly don't understand you saying burners are "trial and error." I haven't seen anybody have trouble with a burner in a long time. Just about the dumbest kid in the world with the cheapest burner doesn't seem to have any problem with it.
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indeed. i started off with phillips too. back then burning really was a problem for some cheaper burners. phillips did ok with cheap stuff though. plextor after that, of course that did any media fine. but recently i've been using the cheapest nearly free after rebate drives and they do fine! with any pos media i throw at them to boot. i don't get people with burn problem.s
 
Lets see.

100 pack of 700meg CD-r disks.... 30 bucks.

30.00 / (100*700) =

0.042 cents per meg. of capacity.

100 pack of 4.7gigs DVD-r disks... 95 bucks.

95.00 / (100*4.7*1024) =

0.019 cents per meg of capacity.

Looks like DVD's would be much better for archiving stuff. But what about per disk?

30 cents per disk for CD-r
95 cents per disk for DVD-r.

So if your distributing stuff by cd, it would probably be better off distributing it on CD's. Unless you have files that are commonly over 700 megs.

So their you go, CD-r's aren't obsolete, just less usefull (vs DVD's) then they used to be.
 
Just curious...why does anyone bother with -R anymore other than compatibility with some older DVD players. IMO, +R is a better format, especially for data, and the prices are finally starting to level off around -R's level.

I also enjoy burning 4X +R @ 8x...🙂

Anyhow, this all boils down to each individuals needs. For some people, a DVD-RW drive is where it's at for what they do with their system, and for others CD-R is just fine. Some people like me use both depending on the job I need to do. For moving smaller files or a bunch of files under 700mb, it doesn't make sense to waste a DVD +/- R, and for bigger ones multiple CD's can be a pain. I actually picked up another 52X burner because my DVD, while blazing with +R, doesn't do so well with CD-R's, and they are so cheap they are almost disposable now. $29 shipped for a 52x32x52 burner with Nero is insane.

I don't think CD-R is obsolete, if anything it's starting to finally be a standard for most people now since they are dirt cheap. IMO, CD-R makes floppies obsolete, but there are still those hold outs...😉 Isn't floppy media more expensive than CD-R?

🙂
 
Actually what I think is the neatest nowadays is DVD-RAM.

Dual sided (9.4 gigs) , comes in those little cases, random access data, 100,000+ rewrites. What more could you want?
 
Originally posted by: Insane3D
Just curious...why does anyone bother with -R anymore other than compatibility with some older DVD players. IMO, +R is a better format, especially for data, and the prices are finally starting to level off around -R's level.
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The only advantages I've ever seen anybody give for DVD+R were strictly hypothetical. The actual trend you can see with KProbe results is that DVD-R media has more correctable errors and fewer uncorrectable errors for most media manufacturers, which certainly doesn't make DVD+R better. DVD+R has more uncorrectable errors, which doesn't sound like a good thing to me. Regardless, it's not enough of a difference to matter. Both are reliable if you get decent media.

The facts are that:

1) DVD-R is slightly cheaper

2) DVD-R is slightly more compatible with older DVD players

3) DVD-R has a slightly higher capacity

The real question is why would anybody ever use DVD+R if they could get DVD-R a few cents cheaper?

I'll get whatever reliable media is cheaper.

There may be times when I'll be forced to use DVD-R, though, because I have made some DVD images that came out to 4,706,000,000 bytes. They'll fit on a DVD-R. They'll fit on a DVD-RW. They won't fit on a DVD+R or DVD+RW.
 
Originally posted by: Tostada
Originally posted by: Insane3D
Just curious...why does anyone bother with -R anymore other than compatibility with some older DVD players. IMO, +R is a better format, especially for data, and the prices are finally starting to level off around -R's level.
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The only advantages I've ever seen anybody give for DVD+R were strictly hypothetical. The actual trend you can see with KProbe results is that DVD-R media has more correctable errors and fewer uncorrectable errors for most media manufacturers, which certainly doesn't make DVD+R better. DVD+R has more uncorrectable errors, which doesn't sound like a good thing to me. Regardless, it's not enough of a difference to matter. Both are reliable if you get decent media.

The facts are that:

1) DVD-R is slightly cheaper

2) DVD-R is slightly more compatible with older DVD players

3) DVD-R has a slightly higher capacity

The real question is why would anybody ever use DVD+R if they could get DVD-R a few cents cheaper?

I'll get whatever reliable media is cheaper.

There may be times when I'll be forced to use DVD-R, though, because I have made some DVD images that came out to 4,706,000,000 bytes. They'll fit on a DVD-R. They'll fit on a DVD-RW. They won't fit on a DVD+R or DVD+RW.
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I was going to link you to the CDFreaks article, but IIRC, you response was it was just "stupid".

:roll:

Does -R have any DL media format in the works? Seems to me that +R has better error checking capabilities, and is a better format all around. IMO, I think if one format wins out, it will be +R. The only advantages -R has is that is slightly cheaper, and is compatible with older DVD players. The cost advantage of -R is rapidly disappearing, and the DVD player compatibility issue will likely fade as well as DVD's players get cheaper, and the older ones become a smaller and smaller segment.
Also the book typing option with the newer DVD-RW's also mitigates the compatibility advantage.

One more thing...+R tends to burn faster, though not by a huge margin, but your -R media can hold a WHOPPING 4mb more per disc, so I'll call it a wash there. 😉😛

🙂
 
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