CDC - Over 1 in 3 Americans has Prediabetes

[stockwiz]

you're just mincing words. Pre-diabetes does in fact exist. They could call it something else to make it sound more scary, but the diagnosis is pretty accurate since people can live with prediabetes for a number of years before it turns into full fledged type 2 diabetes. If people need scary words to be convinced to change their lifestyle that's not my problem.

The problem is lack of awareness of loss of beta cell function and insulin resistance... it simply is not mentioned by doctors and as long as you meet their fasting blood glucose guidelines assuming they bother to test you at all, they declare you fine... a better test are A1C test and post meal glucose testing, since it's after a big heavy carb meal where the damage is done. A person can have a fasting glucose of 95 mg/dl and spike to 250 mg/dl without realizing it depending on their portion sizes... the standards they use to diagnose diabetes and prediabetes are too lax, in my opinion. It's the number one destroyer of health and it gets much less attention than it deserves in mainstream preventive medicine.

 

[Strk]

you're just mincing words. Pre-diabetes does in fact exist. They could call it something else to make it sound more scary, but the diagnosis is pretty accurate since people can live with prediabetes for a number of years before it turns into full fledged type 2 diabetes. If people need scary words to be convinced to change their lifestyle that's not my problem.

The problem is lack of awareness of loss of beta cell function and insulin resistance... it simply is not mentioned by doctors and as long as you meet their fasting blood glucose guidelines assuming they bother to test you at all, they declare you fine... a better test are A1C test and post meal glucose testing, since it's after a big heavy carb meal where the damage is done. A person can have a fasting glucose of 95 mg/dl and spike to 250 mg/dl without realizing it depending on their portion sizes... the standards they use to diagnose diabetes and prediabetes are too lax, in my opinion. It's the number one destroyer of health and it gets much less attention than it deserves in mainstream preventive medicine.

The sad part is that it described it right in the link

 

[Ruptga]

The sad part is that it described it right in the link

Yeah but who reads those?

My dad is pre-diabetic, it took several months but I think he has finally accepted that it will never get better or go away and he will almost certainly develop full-blown beetus at some point, and he definitely will if he goes back to eating crap like he had been.

 

[Jeff7]

Damn primitive crap-construction human body. Adapt already. Slow-ass evolution.

Can I just get a shot of stem cells into my pancreas and hope they can figure everything out?

 

[Ruptga]

Damn primitive crap-construction human body. Adapt already. Slow-ass evolution.

Can I just get a shot of stem cells into my pancreas and hope they can figure everything out?

Depends, is cancer a deal breaker for you?

 

[tortoise]

should be encouraging people to test themselves 1 and 2 hours after a typical meal

meter . . lancer . . video . . guidelines . . diet modifications

 

[ElFenix]

I give this thread a 5 out of 7.

hi fellow imgurian

 

[Balt]

It can be a surprise, for sure. I'm 6'0" and 175ish pounds, work out 4-5 days a week, had a high A1c result when my doc was checking bloodwork for something else. Fasting glucose level was fine.

I don't eat a lot of sweets, but I guess occasional carb-bingeing probably wasn't doing me much good. Better to realize it now rather than later.

 

[brianmanahan]

I guess I have Pre-AIDS because I can get it later right?

i'm pretty sure i have pre-AIDS from that guy who spit on me, or maybe the toilet seat

it's just lying dormant, ready to strike

 

[Red Squirrel]

Part of the issue is pretty much everything you buy has sugar and other crap added to it. Watch the documentary Fed Up. Quite interesting and talks about this issue.

The only real way to get healthy is to grow and make your own stuff, but nobody ain't got time for that.

Heck even simple things like maple syrup or peanut butter might not be what they state they are... always look at the ingredients before buying.

 

[Strk]

Part of the issue is pretty much everything you buy has sugar and other crap added to it. Watch the documentary Fed Up. Quite interesting and talks about this issue.

The only real way to get healthy is to grow and make your own stuff, but nobody ain't got time for that.

Heck even simple things like maple syrup or peanut butter might not be what they state they are... always look at the ingredients before buying.

At least with maple syrup, the funny thing is I don't think a lot of people actually like its actual consistency. The real stuff is quite runny. I'm thinking a few too many are used to something like Mrs. Butterworth's.

But yeah, labeling is funny. It reminds me of a segment John Oliver did about labeling/marketing (it was about the Coke v Pom Wonderful). It's amazing how companies can basically say 'this stuff is super-awesome-healthy for you! Why? Cause stuff!' Yet really don't have to back it up very much.

 

[TheVrolok]

I've been using the "my wife is pre-pregnant" example for years. Death is far worse than diabetes, so since I'm pre-dead, why would I care whether or not I am pre-diabetic?

Pre-diabetes is not a disease and shouldn't be considered to be one. People should be told how serious and terrible diabetes is, whether or not they are on the edge of becoming diabetic, and how to prevent it. But, there is no pre-diabetes. Using that term runs the risk of lulling people into not caring about diabetes (if they feel fine with pre-diabetes).

Well, you're absolutely wrong, so there's that. Do you honestly believe chronic diseases are binary in that one day you have them, and one day you don't?

 

[ImpulsE69]

Part of the issue is pretty much everything you buy has sugar and other crap added to it. Watch the documentary Fed Up. Quite interesting and talks about this issue.

The only real way to get healthy is to grow and make your own stuff, but nobody ain't got time for that.

Heck even simple things like maple syrup or peanut butter might not be what they state they are... always look at the ingredients before buying.

Pretty much this. We can blame the average persons uncontrollable urges all we want, but unless you are living as a hermit with your own fields and foodstock, it is the companies and everything they add to food that doesn't need to be there that are the issue. Are there people who eat too much and unhealthy? Yes, but that is only a small part of the problem.

 

[vi edit]

Pretty much this. We can blame the average persons uncontrollable urges all we want, but unless you are living as a hermit with your own fields and foodstock, it is the companies and everything they add to food that doesn't need to be there that are the issue. Are there people who eat too much and unhealthy? Yes, but that is only a small part of the problem.

Ok now that's just crap. Most Americans eat total shit because they are lazy and like the flavor of salt infused, processed slop. They also refuse to do any sort of meaningful exercise. As much as I bag on Monsanto and big-food industries...being pre-diabetic is almost ENTIRELY through poor diet and sedentary lifestyle and not some subterfuge from the food companies.

 

[ImpulsE69]

Ok now that's just crap. Most Americans eat total shit because they are lazy and like the flavor of salt infused, processed slop. They also refuse to do any sort of meaningful exercise. As much as I bag on Monsanto and big-food industries...being pre-diabetic is almost ENTIRELY through poor diet and sedentary lifestyle and not some subterfuge from the food companies.

So adding corn syrup to everything has nothing to do with anything right?

Again, sure, we could all go back to living off the land and plowing our own fields, but let's be realistic, it isn't going to happen (at least until the apocalypse).

Let's take THIS great example of what I'm talking about:

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/mcdonalds-kale-salad-worse-double-154817050.html

And before you come back at me with "well they should do research!" ...let's apply that to every facet of life and see how much exercise you get because you spend all your time looking up information on everything.

Companies should not be allowed to falsely represent something. Period.

THEN we can start solely blaming the people for their own actions.

 

[BoberFett]

So adding corn syrup to everything has nothing to do with anything right?

Again, sure, we could all go back to living off the land and plowing our own fields, but let's be realistic, it isn't going to happen (at least until the apocalypse).

Let's take THIS great example of what I'm talking about:

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/mcdonalds-kale-salad-worse-double-154817050.html

And before you come back at me with "well they should do research!" ...let's apply that to every facet of life and see how much exercise you get because you spend all your time looking up information on everything.

Companies should not be allowed to falsely represent something. Period.

THEN we can start solely blaming the people for their own actions.

Corn syrup is in everything? Holy shit, are you telling me that the fruit and vegetables I bought at the store yesterday have corn syrup added to them?! I better go throw them away.

No, people are lazy and don't want to cook.

 

[Ackmed]

So adding corn syrup to everything has nothing to do with anything right?

Again, sure, we could all go back to living off the land and plowing our own fields, but let's be realistic, it isn't going to happen (at least until the apocalypse).

Let's take THIS great example of what I'm talking about:

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/mcdonalds-kale-salad-worse-double-154817050.html

And before you come back at me with "well they should do research!" ...let's apply that to every facet of life and see how much exercise you get because you spend all your time looking up information on everything.

Companies should not be allowed to falsely represent something. Period.

THEN we can start solely blaming the people for their own actions.

He said "most Americans", not "solely" as you're claiming. What he said is true, most (see that?) Americans are fat because they choose to be. Because of what they eat and how little or no exercise they do. Do food co's who lie make it worse? Sure do. Does the ease at which meals are made now make it worse, such as microwave dinners, fast food? Sure does. More people don't actually cook anymore, just heat stuff up.

That is also their choice. Most fatties are fat because of their own choices. I guess I better stop, I'll get complained on for "fat shaming". Or truthful speaking as I like to call it.

 

[vi edit]

So adding corn syrup to everything has nothing to do with anything right?

Again, sure, we could all go back to living off the land and plowing our own fields, but let's be realistic, it isn't going to happen (at least until the apocalypse).

Let's take THIS great example of what I'm talking about:

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/mcdonalds-kale-salad-worse-double-154817050.html

And before you come back at me with "well they should do research!" ...let's apply that to every facet of life and see how much exercise you get because you spend all your time looking up information on everything.

Companies should not be allowed to falsely represent something. Period.

THEN we can start solely blaming the people for their own actions.

It's a ceasar salad. That's a handful of lettuce that is basically drenched with a heavy salad dressing, caked with cheese and then adds croutons for good measure. It's exactly what I was talking about.

If you want to eat a "healthy" salad that isn't calorie heavy but still tastes awesome, cook up one or two pieces of bacon (pre-cooked bacon is about 20 calories for two slices), cook it up and dice it. A teaspoon of sugar (25 calories), two tablespoons of Dijon mustard (no calories), some red wine vinegar and cook it in a skillet. Add a couple giant handfuls of spinach and wilt it just a bit. Bam. Far more nutrients than that bowl of shit from McDonalds and comes in at under 100 calories.

This isn't rocket sciences. If you can operate a 4000 pound piece of equipment to drive to a fast food place, you should have the cognitive capacity to know what you are shoveling into your mouth at it.

 

[dullard]

Well, you're absolutely wrong, so there's that. Do you honestly believe chronic diseases are binary in that one day you have them, and one day you don't?

Do you honestly believe in the explosion of pre-disease states that have no scientifically measured harm to the people yet cause people to spend billions for the health-care industry?

Many diseases are on spectrums with a range of symptoms and severity. But to take the high-side of normal, call it a new disease, and cause people to panic is not the solution. I clearly said that you should point out to people that they are at higher risk of a major disease. But to tell people who feel fine that they are sick will just severely reduce their fear of getting the real disease. We can't cry wolf forever and then be shocked when it doesn't work.

 

[TheVrolok]

Do you honestly believe in the explosion of pre-disease states that have no scientifically measured harm to the people yet cause people to spend billions for the health-care industry?

Many diseases are on spectrums with a range of symptoms and severity. But to take the high-side of normal, call it a new disease, and cause people to panic is not the solution. I clearly said that you should point out to people that they are at higher risk of a major disease. But to tell people who feel fine that they are sick will just severely reduce their fear of getting the real disease. We can't call wolf forever.

Pre-diabetes is not "normal." Being short because I'm on my phone.

 

[OutHouse]

It's a ceasar salad. That's a handful of lettuce that is basically drenched with a heavy salad dressing, caked with cheese and then adds croutons for good measure. It's exactly what I was talking about.

If you want to eat a "healthy" salad that isn't calorie heavy but still tastes awesome, cook up one or two pieces of bacon (pre-cooked bacon is about 20 calories for two slices), cook it up and dice it. A teaspoon of sugar (25 calories), two tablespoons of Dijon mustard (no calories), some red wine vinegar and cook it in a skillet. Add a couple giant handfuls of spinach and wilt it just a bit. Bam. Far more nutrients than that bowl of shit from McDonalds and comes in at under 100 calories.

how many carbs are in that?

 

[OutHouse]

Pre-diabetes is not a disease and shouldn't be considered to be one. People should be told how serious and terrible diabetes is, whether or not they are on the edge of becoming diabetic, and how to prevent it. But, there is no pre-diabetes. Using that term runs the risk of lulling people into not caring about diabetes (if they feel fine with pre-diabetes).

thats a pretty stupid opinion.

 

[Strk]

It's a ceasar salad. That's a handful of lettuce that is basically drenched with a heavy salad dressing, caked with cheese and then adds croutons for good measure. It's exactly what I was talking about.

If you want to eat a "healthy" salad that isn't calorie heavy but still tastes awesome, cook up one or two pieces of bacon (pre-cooked bacon is about 20 calories for two slices), cook it up and dice it. A teaspoon of sugar (25 calories), two tablespoons of Dijon mustard (no calories), some red wine vinegar and cook it in a skillet. Add a couple giant handfuls of spinach and wilt it just a bit. Bam. Far more nutrients than that bowl of shit from McDonalds and comes in at under 100 calories.

This isn't rocket sciences. If you can operate a 4000 pound piece of equipment to drive to a fast food place, you should have the cognitive capacity to know what you are shoveling into your mouth at it.

I swear salads are one of the worst healthy foods people trying to diet seem to eat. Admittedly this is anecdotal, but it seems whenever someone is trying to diet they make salads, but hate salads, they use at least half a bottle of thousand island, ranch or caesar dressing to make it palatable. Congratulations, you just made a salad about as healthy has a Big Mac!

 

[vi edit]

how many carbs are in that?

The sugar is really the only carb. A heavy teaspoon is about 25 calories. It's basically pure carbs which are 4 calories to a gram. 25/4 = a little over 6 grams.

The bacon, mustard, wine vinegar and spinach are basically carb free.

 

[BoberFett]

I swear salads are one of the worst healthy foods people trying to diet seem to eat. Admittedly this is anecdotal, but it seems whenever someone is trying to diet they make salads, but hate salads, they use at least half a bottle of thousand island, ranch or caesar dressing to make it palatable. Congratulations, you just made a salad about as healthy has a Big Mac!

It's easy to use a vinaigrette, just as tasty and more healthy than corn syrup laden dressings, but again people are too lazy to read the ingredients, or simply don't care.