CCW Passes IL General Assembly with Veto-Proof Majority

[ElMonoDelMar]

http://my.chicagotribune.com/#section/544/article/p2p-76123625/

Some stupid restrictions, but at least it's shall-issue!

 

[Vic Vega]

Some day I may move home to Chicago. Things are going the right direction.

 

[lagokc]

http://my.chicagotribune.com/#section/544/article/p2p-76123625/

Some stupid restrictions, but at least it's shall-issue!

Law enforcement could object, and an applicant could appeal to a seven-member board designed to have people with such credentials as former judges or FBI agents.

Mmm hmm. So what's to stop the Chicago police department from objecting to all permits in their jurisdiction resulting in a decades long line to see the 7 member board?

Not that I'm complaining, this is a step in the right direction. It will be interesting if Chicago's crime rate falls in the next few years.

 

[ElMonoDelMar]

Mmm hmm. So what's to stop the Chicago police department from objecting to all permits in their jurisdiction resulting in a decades long line to see the 7 member board?

Not that I'm complaining, this is a step in the right direction. It will be interesting if Chicago's crime rate falls in the next few years.

Nothing, I guess. I really doubt that is going to happen, though.

Some day I may move home to Chicago. Things are going the right direction.

Chicago still sucks, but at least you will soon be able to legally return fire.

 

[lagokc]

Nothing, I guess. I really doubt that is going to happen, though.

Never underestimate the level to which the Chicago Police Department will go in order to be dicks.

 

[Lithium381]

i'm happy to hear this and interested to see how it turns out. Chitown is one of the guncontrol havens so we'll see how this affects thigns

 

[ElMonoDelMar]

Text of the bill for those interested:
http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/98/HB/09800HB0183sam005.htm

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Even IL is better than NY.

 

[chucky2]

I too await to see how in Reality this is run. I'm awaiting the BS to come out...

 

[chucky2]

Wait wait...:

"(7) Fingerprints collected under Section 30 shall be
24 checked against the Department of State Police and Federal
25 Bureau of Investigation criminal history record databases

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1 now and hereafter filed. The Department shall charge
2 applicants a fee for conducting the criminal history
3 records check, which shall be deposited in the State Police
4 Services Fund and shall not exceed the actual cost of the
5 records check. "

I'm now being fingerprinted like a criminal and paying for it???

 

[chucky2]

This gets better:

"Section 60. Fees.
12 (a) All fees collected under this Act shall be deposited as
13 provided in this Section. Application, renewal, and
14 replacement fees shall be non-refundable.
15 (b) An applicant for a new license or a renewal shall
16 submit $150 with the application, of which $120 shall be
17 apportioned to the State Police Firearm Services Fund, $20
18 shall be apportioned to the Mental Health Reporting Fund, and
19 $10 shall be apportioned to the State Crime Laboratory Fund."

So people who can't go obtain a free National ID at a local state agency because it somehow puts undue financial burden on them over a 10 year period would have their Constitutional rights violated by some insane stretch of the imagination...

...but when 2A says "keep and bear arms", it's dandy that I'm tracked like a criminal and poll taxed to participate in my 2A rights?

Only Politicians and Lawyers could possibly dream sh1t like this up...

EDIT: Oh, and I get to give my $150 poll tax money every 5 years when I renew?

 

[chucky2]

Hahaha, god they made this so useful for those in the city who pretty much must take public transpo:

"(8) Any bus, train, or form of transportation paid for
19 in whole or in part with public funds, and any building,
20 real property, and parking area under the control of a
21 public transportation facility paid for in whole or in part
22 with public funds."

 

[chucky2]

More and more gold...:

"(12) Any public playground.
23 (13) Any public park, athletic area, or athletic
24 facility under the control of a municipality or park
25 district, provided nothing in this Section shall prohibit a
26 licensee from carrying a concealed firearm while on a trail

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1 or bikeway if only a portion of the trail or bikeway
2 includes a public park.
3 (14) Any real property under the control of the Cook
4 County Forest Preserve District."

So...no criminals would ever be at any of those places...oh no...

 

[Paul98]

This gets better:

"Section 60. Fees.
12 (a) All fees collected under this Act shall be deposited as
13 provided in this Section. Application, renewal, and
14 replacement fees shall be non-refundable.
15 (b) An applicant for a new license or a renewal shall
16 submit $150 with the application, of which $120 shall be
17 apportioned to the State Police Firearm Services Fund, $20
18 shall be apportioned to the Mental Health Reporting Fund, and
19 $10 shall be apportioned to the State Crime Laboratory Fund."

So people who can't go obtain a free National ID at a local state agency because it somehow puts undue financial burden on them over a 10 year period would have their Constitutional rights violated by some insane stretch of the imagination...

...but when 2A says "keep and bear arms", it's dandy that I'm tracked like a criminal and poll taxed to participate in my 2A rights?

Only Politicians and Lawyers could possibly dream sh1t like this up...

EDIT: Oh, and I get to give my $150 poll tax money every 5 years??? when I renew?

The crazy train has left the station

 

[chucky2]

It's IL, so it's expected...I just knew though there'd be little nuggets of shi, er, gold when I started reading through this. Keep in mind: Anyone applying for this has already went through, and poll tax paid for, their FOID card. This is above and beyond...

 

[chucky2]

Uh oh, anyone caught with the MJ is going to have an issue with this:

"21 (Text of Section after amendment by P.A. 97-1167)
22 Sec. 1.1. For purposes of this Act:
23 "Addicted to narcotics" means a person who has been:
24 (1) convicted of an offense involving the use or
25 possession of cannabis, a controlled substance, or

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1 methamphetamine within the past year; or"

I mean, if you're caught with a joint, your addicted, and thus, dangerous...

 

[chucky2]

What?

"09800HB0183sam005 - 96 - LRB098 05760 MRW 46754 a

1 facility institution within the past 5 years or a person who
2 has been a patient in a mental health facility more than 5
3 years ago who has not received the certification required under
4 subsection (u) of this Section. An active law enforcement
5 officer employed by a unit of government who is denied,
6 revoked, or has his or her Firearm Owner's Identification Card
7 seized under this subsection (e) may obtain relief as described
8 in subsection (c-5) of Section 10 of this Act if the officer
9 did not act in a manner threatening to the officer, another
10 person, or the public as determined by the treating clinical
11 psychologist or physician, and the officer seeks mental health
12 treatment; or has been adjudicated as a mental defective; "

 

[chucky2]

Interesting:

"09800HB0183sam005 - 153 - LRB098 05760 MRW 46754 a

1 from entering or remaining in the residence or household
2 while the respondent is under the influence of alcohol or
3 drugs and constitutes a threat to the safety and well-being
4 of the petitioner or the petitioner's children.
5 (14.5) Prohibition of firearm possession.
6 (A) A person who is subject to an existing order of
7 protection, interim order of protection, emergency
8 order of protection, or plenary order of protection,
9 issued under this Code may not lawfully possess weapons
10 under Section 8.2 of the Firearm Owners Identification
11 Card Act."

So if someone choses to get a restraining order slapped on me and I've got a concealed carry, now I can't concealed carry? That'll reduce my alleged rage...

 

[ElMonoDelMar]

This gets better:

"Section 60. Fees.
12 (a) All fees collected under this Act shall be deposited as
13 provided in this Section. Application, renewal, and
14 replacement fees shall be non-refundable.
15 (b) An applicant for a new license or a renewal shall
16 submit $150 with the application, of which $120 shall be
17 apportioned to the State Police Firearm Services Fund, $20
18 shall be apportioned to the Mental Health Reporting Fund, and
19 $10 shall be apportioned to the State Crime Laboratory Fund."

So people who can't go obtain a free National ID at a local state agency because it somehow puts undue financial burden on them over a 10 year period would have their Constitutional rights violated by some insane stretch of the imagination...

...but when 2A says "keep and bear arms", it's dandy that I'm tracked like a criminal and poll taxed to participate in my 2A rights?

Only Politicians and Lawyers could possibly dream sh1t like this up...

EDIT: Oh, and I get to give my $150 poll tax money every 5 years when I renew?

This is about the same as what 48 other states charge for their CCW permits. It's nothing to get worked up about.

 

[shortylickens]

Good, now honest citizens can be armed.

 

[Matt1970]

Mmm hmm. So what's to stop the Chicago police department from objecting to all permits in their jurisdiction resulting in a decades long line to see the 7 member board?

Not that I'm complaining, this is a step in the right direction. It will be interesting if Chicago's crime rate falls in the next few years.

NY is a shall issue. We had a judge here in Onondaga Country that in his 12 or so years on the bench issues a whole 3 permits. One was to himself.

 

[Nebor]

NY is a shall issue. We had a judge here in Onondaga Country that in his 12 or so years on the bench issues a whole 3 permits. One was to himself.

NY is may issue.

 

[chucky2]

This is about the same as what 48 other states charge for their CCW permits. It's nothing to get worked up about.

Anytime the state is charging me for my constitutional rights I get worked up about it. I'm bearing arms but getting charged for it?

 

[Jimzz]

It will be interesting if Chicago's crime rate falls in the next few years.

It already was before this in some key areas like murder

2008: 513
2009: 459
2010: 436
2011: 435

That and most crime happen in very specific areas, its not a full city issue...

 

[shortylickens]

Anytime the state is charging me for my constitutional rights I get worked up about it. I'm bearing arms but getting charged for it?

Actually, you can "bear" arms for free.

But concealed carry isnt a constitutional right.