Cayman XT photo leak

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StrangerGuy

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A $200 6770 that stomps GTX460 1GB is enough for AMD to conquer the most of the GPU market. They don't even need to release any high-end cards.
 

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A $200 6770 that stomps GTX460 1GB is enough for AMD to conquer the most of the GPU market. They don't even need to release any high-end cards.

but then they would probably lose me lol.
 

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AIBs have too many 5770 in stock and in production. There's no strong competition in it's bracket, so ATI is not going to release its replacement soon. There's a big market around the $200 mark, which is meant to be the 5830 but its just not selling cos its crap, even with price cuts. The gtx460 is a major threat in this bracket, it needs to be squashed, which is what the 6770 is all about. This gen, the "mid-range" has got a lot more oomph since Barts is essentially 2/3 of a Cayman XT. Unlike the 5770 which is 1/2 of a 5870. Thats why the 6770 is coming in first.

However, theres going to be a quick release of the high end 6870s and dual-GPU cards, because having the performance crown is always good.. and importantly, the stock on the 5800 series isn't high (demand is still good) so it doesn't hurt them to replace it asap and just take a bigger perf/price lead.

I'm going to pass another tidbit, early drivers aside, crossfire on the 6K series is a lot improved.

NV is keeping the lid quiet (no leaks or huge press spins) on their gtx490.. cos they found out that dual-gtx460 will only match the single Cayman XT while being much hotter and a power hog. I think at this point, it isn't even worth it for them to bother releasing it. No title crown, unlike with Fermi (even if its hot/hungry, it's still the fastest single-GPU card).
All very interesting, especially the bolded part. I'm excited to see how this turns out.
 

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Skurge

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6870 was said to have 8+6pin.

I think that might have to be a 6970 now, after the renaming.

I also see to cards there, does that mean we can expect crossfire benches soon? I hope so.
 
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MrK6

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Just throwing this out there (seriously doubting it), but wouldn't it be a kick in the butt if the rebranded 6870 (Barts) is actually faster than a current 5870, and the naming actually makes sense? I mean, the new Cayman supposedly has 480 SP clusters compared to the 320 SP of the 5870. I've seen it thrown around that Barts is 2/3 of Cayman, which is 320 SP. Granted the newer SP's are supposedly a tad slower (at least theoretically, who knows real world), but if the other optimizations or a clock speed boost make up for it, then damn o_O.
 
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Daedalus685

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Curious the rumour of the 6770 becoming the 6870 (not that something can become before it is....)

Other than "the naming department is bored" this would make perfect sense if the performance increase is there to warrant a huge price hike (relatively) in the top two single chip cards.

It makes sense that a 6770 costing the same as an old 5870 (or close) would leave a bad taste in folks mouths (even if the performance improvement was there) who would undoubtedly compare the launch price to that of a 5770.

What the rumour of a naming scheme change signifies to me is a drastic change in price structure could be coming.
 

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rumors say it will be january before 6870 is out, do you really want to use a 3850 for potentially 4+ months?

Yes NV has many fans. We all know that they will go to extremes. Rumors are rumors but a pic is worth a 1000 words and these things look like their ready just need to build up stock .
 
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I don't get it I was banned for doing exactly what wreckage is doing here .It was a short ban but still it be nice if members felt all were treated = and we Know for fact thats not the case. This is the first time I have ever used that red ! triangle
 
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RussianSensation

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It makes sense that a 6770 costing the same as an old 5870 (or close) would leave a bad taste in folks mouths (even if the performance improvement was there) who would undoubtedly compare the launch price to that of a 5770.

What the rumour of a naming scheme change signifies to me is a drastic change in price structure could be coming.

Doubtful. HD6770 card (not chipset codenamed HD6770!) is mid-range, not high end in the new HD6000 lineup. Mid-range cards don't cost $369-399, not ever, especially not during this slow economic recovery. Releasing a high end card for this Christmas season is far less important than having the best $150-$250 cards, where most consumers are going to be looking at.

Since 5870 is about $350-380+, it makes sense that it will be replaced by HD6870 in terms of price. If HD6770 is to be as fast as the 5870, this means 2x the performance increase from 5770; highly unlikely since it's still on 40nm. Since ATI's biggest lineup whole is in the $170-$240 price bracket, HD6750/70 are probably being released to specifically target GTX460s.

As long as HD6770 is faster than 5830 and pretty close to 5850, ATi will do great.

I think the confusion here lies in this rumor:

"The existing Juniper XT, HD5770 will be launched to the market in the renamed HD6770, while Barts XT (HD6770), Cayman XT(HD6870), dual-core Antilles(HD6970) will be renamed to HD6870,HD6970,HD6990 respectively."

Although I can hardly believe that ATi would pull an NV and just 're-brand' HD5770 into HD6770.

Naming conventions aside, it looks like 6870 is to 5850 what 6970 will be to 5870. Somewhat unusual naming practice.
 
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I just had a thought. Maybe brilliant, but probably retarded. :p

Wreckage works for AMD. It's all clear to me now. He comes in and "thread craps" on ATI threads under the guise of an nvidia marketing person / fanboy / whatever.

But in reality, what he writes is phrased in such a way as to make him look completely ridiculous. It turns people against him until everyone accepts that he's a crazy fanboy / nvidia marketing person / or whatever. Then we / they tone him out. However, they don't place him on ignore because unlike some others he's not actually offensive or maddening, just kind of "ridiculous and slanted"--he doesn't make overt personal attacks, anything like that--his posts are often genuinely fun and enjoyable to read. Subconsciously, over time, people begin to associate this negative opinion of wreckage with nvidia fans and eventually nvidia themselves.

Wow. And every amd thread, he's there...re-inforcing the negative nvidia image in the minds of the people already interested in the amd product (they are reading the thread, after all). That's marketing genius.

Edit: (all in good fun, giggles, don't worry). I have a gtx470. The thing that excites me most about this upcoming generation is just adding another cheap (under $200) 470 and sli'ing it, woot). Fermi's not that bad once you've got it under water, really tames it.

Reverse psychology. I gave that alot of thought some time ago so I followed his threads . But after studing him . No thats not the case He doesn't have those mental abilities in my judgement. But I been wrong many times befor . But in this case it almost be a miracle.
 

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Folks, let's not turn this into a "pick on [insert poster name here]" thread.

Take your off-topic personal commentary offline - pm, pfi, skype, whatever works for ya - and keep it out of your publicly viewable posts here in the VC&G technical forum.

Thanks for your attention to this matter.

Moderator Idontcare

sorry IDC I replied to extras post befor I got to yours.
 

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So far almost all pics that came out of chiphell have been pretty close to what the cards look like. Take a look.

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the cooler is a bit different, but the length is about the same.

The were all pre-release picture. I could go further back to the 3870x2 and 2900XT, but you get my point.

So what are you impling. That the card shown is a 5870 . This really does get old . We all have access to the net . Heres pic of 5870 . Tell me there the same .

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...870_Graphics_Card-vertical_-_oblique_view.jpg
 

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This is a topic about pic of 6--- series . So why pics of old cards we all know what they look like
 

Skurge

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This is a topic about pic of 6--- series . So why pics of old cards we all know what they look like

Read my post before quoting it.

It was in response to some people saying the shots were fake, I showed them that most of the leaked shots that Chiphell publish are very close if not exactly what the final cards looked like. So its highly likely that the pics of those 6000 cards are real.
 

lopri

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One of the rumors about 6000 series is that the mid-range (Bart) is 2/3 of the high-end (Cayman), unlike Juniper which was 1/2 of Cypress. I think this is a plausible scenario, and on which AMD will try to justify the new naming scheme if it turns out to be true. I would still find it not satisfactory because I am always concerned about my wallet first. If Bart XT performs better than Cypress and cost ~$300, then of course I will have a different opinion.

So far among the Northen Islands rumors I find two things very plausible - One is the above (Bart = 2/3 Cayman) and the other is new composition of SIMD arrays. (4+1 to 2+2) Performance/watt improvement should be given, but I am not too positive about getting better Performance/price. Moar competition plz!
 

Daedalus685

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Doubtful. HD6770 card (not chipset codenamed HD6770!) is mid-range, not high end in the new HD6000 lineup. Mid-range cards don't cost $369-399, not ever, especially not during this slow economic recovery. Releasing a high end card for this Christmas season is far less important than having the best $150-$250 cards, where most consumers are going to be looking at.

Since 5870 is about $350-380+, it makes sense that it will be replaced by HD6870 in terms of price. If HD6770 is to be as fast as the 5870, this means 2x the performance increase from 5770; highly unlikely since it's still on 40nm. Since ATI's biggest lineup whole is in the $170-$240 price bracket, HD6750/70 are probably being released to specifically target GTX460s.

As long as HD6770 is faster than 5830 and pretty close to 5850, ATi will do great.

I think the confusion here lies in this rumor:

"The existing Juniper XT, HD5770 will be launched to the market in the renamed HD6770, while Barts XT (HD6770), Cayman XT(HD6870), dual-core Antilles(HD6970) will be renamed to HD6870,HD6970,HD6990 respectively."

Although I can hardly believe that ATi would pull an NV and just 're-brand' HD5770 into HD6770.

Naming conventions aside, it looks like 6870 is to 5850 what 6970 will be to 5870. Somewhat unusual naming practice.

I don't think you quite understand what I was getting at.

For that rumor to make sense at all there has to be some sort of reason... marketing departments are stupid but there is a limit ;).

If they do release what we expect to be the 6770 as a 6870 it likely means two things... First is that the performance difference between the top of the line chip and the second chip (Barts and Cayman) is far smaller than we are used to, and the price will be larger. Thus the name difference to previous generations is because the price of the 6770 would otherwise be drastically out of whack with the 5770 at the time of launch.. which generally looks bad to people. We'd end up with a card called the 6870 that costs a good bit less than the 5870 did at launch but that performs a touch slower.

Who knows though, just rumors atm.