StrangerGuy
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A $200 6770 that stomps GTX460 1GB is enough for AMD to conquer the most of the GPU market. They don't even need to release any high-end cards.
A $200 6770 that stomps GTX460 1GB is enough for AMD to conquer the most of the GPU market. They don't even need to release any high-end cards.
All very interesting, especially the bolded part. I'm excited to see how this turns out.AIBs have too many 5770 in stock and in production. There's no strong competition in it's bracket, so ATI is not going to release its replacement soon. There's a big market around the $200 mark, which is meant to be the 5830 but its just not selling cos its crap, even with price cuts. The gtx460 is a major threat in this bracket, it needs to be squashed, which is what the 6770 is all about. This gen, the "mid-range" has got a lot more oomph since Barts is essentially 2/3 of a Cayman XT. Unlike the 5770 which is 1/2 of a 5870. Thats why the 6770 is coming in first.
However, theres going to be a quick release of the high end 6870s and dual-GPU cards, because having the performance crown is always good.. and importantly, the stock on the 5800 series isn't high (demand is still good) so it doesn't hurt them to replace it asap and just take a bigger perf/price lead.
I'm going to pass another tidbit, early drivers aside, crossfire on the 6K series is a lot improved.
NV is keeping the lid quiet (no leaks or huge press spins) on their gtx490.. cos they found out that dual-gtx460 will only match the single Cayman XT while being much hotter and a power hog. I think at this point, it isn't even worth it for them to bother releasing it. No title crown, unlike with Fermi (even if its hot/hungry, it's still the fastest single-GPU card).
Looks like an 8pin + 6pin configuration there.
6870 was said to have 8+6pin.
rumors say it will be january before 6870 is out, do you really want to use a 3850 for potentially 4+ months?
It makes sense that a 6770 costing the same as an old 5870 (or close) would leave a bad taste in folks mouths (even if the performance improvement was there) who would undoubtedly compare the launch price to that of a 5770.
What the rumour of a naming scheme change signifies to me is a drastic change in price structure could be coming.
Although I can hardly believe that ATi would be pull an NV and just 're-brand' HD5770 into HD6770.
I just had a thought. Maybe brilliant, but probably retarded.
Wreckage works for AMD. It's all clear to me now. He comes in and "thread craps" on ATI threads under the guise of an nvidia marketing person / fanboy / whatever.
But in reality, what he writes is phrased in such a way as to make him look completely ridiculous. It turns people against him until everyone accepts that he's a crazy fanboy / nvidia marketing person / or whatever. Then we / they tone him out. However, they don't place him on ignore because unlike some others he's not actually offensive or maddening, just kind of "ridiculous and slanted"--he doesn't make overt personal attacks, anything like that--his posts are often genuinely fun and enjoyable to read. Subconsciously, over time, people begin to associate this negative opinion of wreckage with nvidia fans and eventually nvidia themselves.
Wow. And every amd thread, he's there...re-inforcing the negative nvidia image in the minds of the people already interested in the amd product (they are reading the thread, after all). That's marketing genius.
Edit: (all in good fun, giggles, don't worry). I have a gtx470. The thing that excites me most about this upcoming generation is just adding another cheap (under $200) 470 and sli'ing it, woot). Fermi's not that bad once you've got it under water, really tames it.
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So far almost all pics that came out of chiphell have been pretty close to what the cards look like. Take a look.
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the cooler is a bit different, but the length is about the same.
The were all pre-release picture. I could go further back to the 3870x2 and 2900XT, but you get my point.
So what are you impling. That the card shown is a 5870 . This really does get old . We all have access to the net . Heres pic of 5870 . Tell me there the same .
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...870_Graphics_Card-vertical_-_oblique_view.jpg
This is a topic about pic of 6--- series . So why pics of old cards we all know what they look like
This is a topic about pic of 6--- series . So why pics of old cards we all know what they look like
Doubtful. HD6770 card (not chipset codenamed HD6770!) is mid-range, not high end in the new HD6000 lineup. Mid-range cards don't cost $369-399, not ever, especially not during this slow economic recovery. Releasing a high end card for this Christmas season is far less important than having the best $150-$250 cards, where most consumers are going to be looking at.
Since 5870 is about $350-380+, it makes sense that it will be replaced by HD6870 in terms of price. If HD6770 is to be as fast as the 5870, this means 2x the performance increase from 5770; highly unlikely since it's still on 40nm. Since ATI's biggest lineup whole is in the $170-$240 price bracket, HD6750/70 are probably being released to specifically target GTX460s.
As long as HD6770 is faster than 5830 and pretty close to 5850, ATi will do great.
I think the confusion here lies in this rumor:
"The existing Juniper XT, HD5770 will be launched to the market in the renamed HD6770, while Barts XT (HD6770), Cayman XT(HD6870), dual-core Antilles(HD6970) will be renamed to HD6870,HD6970,HD6990 respectively."
Although I can hardly believe that ATi would pull an NV and just 're-brand' HD5770 into HD6770.
Naming conventions aside, it looks like 6870 is to 5850 what 6970 will be to 5870. Somewhat unusual naming practice.
