Cayman launches in mid-to-late November with high availability

[blastingcap]

http://semiaccurate.com/2010/09/24/amds-6870-coming-november/

Takeaway points:

1. 5770/5750's replacements (HD6770/6750) are due in sometime in October, and shipments have already been made
2. 5870/5850's replacements (HD6870/6850) are due in mid-to-late November (2-4 weeks after 5770/5750's replacement launches)
3. Supply of these chips will be more plentiful than last year's HD5xxx launch; more wafers + more yields made this possible
4. The replacement for HD5970 should be out before 2011 unless the demand for 6870/50 chips is extremely high

 

[Stoneburner]

Hmmmm a low powered 6750 would be nice for a HTPC

 

[tweakboy]

Im smelling dual gpu single pcb here, If they can pull that off before end of the year that is amazing. Whole new technology and fastest card.

What will nVidia do to match this! hmmmmm

 

[OCGuy]

Im smelling dual gpu single pcb here, If they can pull that off before end of the year that is amazing. Whole new technology and fastest card.

What will nVidia do to match this! hmmmmm

What would give you that idea?

 

[happy medium]

I think this guy said it best in the comments area...

Quote:
JimbobAlonymous September 24, 2010, 11:07 a.m.

lol Charlie, if this was an Nvidia card with the same exact timeline and upgrade plans, you'd be saying "this is just a rehash of the same part, nice innovation there, let's just update a few things and call it a whole new chip". This looks like the same post about the G92, but with a positive spin because it's ATI...i mean AMD.

I would like to see this site post some unbiased material about...say...ANYTHING...anything at all. I think ATI,er AMD pays the bills around here or something.


Takeaway points, still nothing officially confirmed.

The 6770 does look mighty nice for my rig though.

 

[tviceman]

I think this guy said it best in the comments area...

Quote:
JimbobAlonymous September 24, 2010, 11:07 a.m.

lol Charlie, if this was an Nvidia card with the same exact timeline and upgrade plans, you'd be saying "this is just a rehash of the same part, nice innovation there, let's just update a few things and call it a whole new chip". This looks like the same post about the G92, but with a positive spin because it's ATI...i mean AMD.

I would like to see this site post some unbiased material about...say...ANYTHING...anything at all. I think ATI,er AMD pays the bills around here or something.


Takeaway points, still nothing officially confirmed.

The 6770 does look mighty nice for my rig though.

AMD launching half of a new lineup literally 1-3 months after Nvidia gets their current lineup out the door is really, really impressive.

That said, I'm seeing differing rumors on the 6770. If it can't thoroughly beat a gtx460 1 gig at the same or very similar price point, and lower power draw is the best thing going for it, I think it'll just be a meh product.

 

[T2k]

I think this guy said it best in the comments area...

Quote:
JimbobAlonymous September 24, 2010, 11:07 a.m.

lol Charlie, if this was an Nvidia card with the same exact timeline and upgrade plans, you'd be saying "this is just a rehash of the same part, nice innovation there, let's just update a few things and call it a whole new chip". This looks like the same post about the G92, but with a positive spin because it's ATI...i mean AMD.

I would like to see this site post some unbiased material about...say...ANYTHING...anything at all. I think ATI,er AMD pays the bills around here or something.

Said what "best"? I mean he's clearly clueless as it is just a LEAK ergo a rumor, nothing more, nothing less - WTF is he talking about?

Takeaway points, still nothing officially confirmed.

The 6770 does look mighty nice for my rig though.

I hold my breath until we see what's under the hood. If it's a tuned-up 5870 I probably won't buy any of it for my home rig.

 

[Madcatatlas]

The interesting part is performance/cost and performance/watt and ofcourse heat/noise. Lets see some of that.


@ happy - I think most people with an average IQ can take the stuff he writes and dissect it, getting away with the interesting parts.
His Intel articles show no bias/hate at all. He just hates Nvidia, i do think most people on the internett get this by now... dont you think so too?

 

[bryanW1995]

no need for the thread crap.

interesting that charlie thinks that they are sticking to the original naming scheme. maybe barts xt won't be as fast as 5870 after all? hmm...

 

[Skurge]

I think this guy said it best in the comments area...

Quote:
JimbobAlonymous September 24, 2010, 11:07 a.m.

lol Charlie, if this was an Nvidia card with the same exact timeline and upgrade plans, you'd be saying "this is just a rehash of the same part, nice innovation there, let's just update a few things and call it a whole new chip". This looks like the same post about the G92, but with a positive spin because it's ATI...i mean AMD.

I would like to see this site post some unbiased material about...say...ANYTHING...anything at all. I think ATI,er AMD pays the bills around here or something.


Takeaway points, still nothing officially confirmed.

The 6770 does look mighty nice for my rig though.

Unbiased material about what?

 

[busydude]

Im smelling dual gpu single pcb here

Oh my, you have a weird sense of smell.

Can anyone care to explain me what exactly the code names mean? Cayman -> competes with GTX 460 and Barts against GTX 470/480? and, what do XT and PRO mean?

 

[T2k]

Im smelling dual gpu single pcb here, If they can pull that off before end of the year that is amazing. Whole new technology and fastest card.

What will nVidia do to match this! hmmmmm

The bigger question: is a single 6870 > dual-GPU 5970? If so they will pretty much destroy NV's current lineup and possibly null their current plans (2011-2012) for the upcoming one as well.

 

[Skurge]

Oh my, you have a weird sense of smell.

Can anyone care to explain me what exactly the code names mean? Cayman -> competes with GTX 460 and Barts against GTX 470/480? and, what do XT and PRO mean?

My gues is

Caymen XT = 6870
Caymen PRO = 6850
Barts XT = 6770
Barts PRO = 6750

caymen is the top GPU, XT is the top SKU of that GPU.

If there was a Caymen LE (6830) I always joked that LE stood for "Lame Edition"

 

[happy medium]

I hold my breath until we see what's under the hood. If it's a tuned-up 5870 I probably won't buy any of it for my home rig.

agreed

 

[blastingcap]

Charlie is biased but he does have sources.

And actually AMD has indeed officially confirmed HD6xxx rollout by Christmas. http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2106634

I think this guy said it best in the comments area...

Quote:
JimbobAlonymous September 24, 2010, 11:07 a.m.

lol Charlie, if this was an Nvidia card with the same exact timeline and upgrade plans, you'd be saying "this is just a rehash of the same part, nice innovation there, let's just update a few things and call it a whole new chip". This looks like the same post about the G92, but with a positive spin because it's ATI...i mean AMD.

I would like to see this site post some unbiased material about...say...ANYTHING...anything at all. I think ATI,er AMD pays the bills around here or something.


Takeaway points, still nothing officially confirmed.

The 6770 does look mighty nice for my rig though.

 

[bryanW1995]

My gues is

Caymen XT = 6870
Caymen PRO = 6850
Barts XT = 6770
Barts PRO = 6750

caymen is the top GPU, XT is the top SKU of that GPU.

If there was a Caymen LE (6830) I always joked that LE stood for "Lame Edition"

this is likely correct, though many rumors put barts xt as 6870 and cayman xt as 6970.

up until the 2xxx series, amd used xt and pro to name their gpus: ie, 2900xt was the highest performer, 2900 pro was slightly slower. now they use xt and pro for their internal numbering scheme but use a simpler naming scheme for consumers.

 

[Grooveriding]

I hold my breath until we see what's under the hood. If it's a tuned-up 5870 I probably won't buy any of it for my home rig.

I won't be buying one either, but if the 6770 is indeed a tuned up 5870 with relative performance for that position and costs $250 or less, a lot of people will be buying one.

I'm waiting for November and the 6870, if that delivers 135-140% of a GTX 480, I'm all over that card. That will be some insane performance, and hopefully with less heat and noise.

 

[Zargon]

I won't be buying one either, but if the 6770 is indeed a tuned up 5870 with relative performance for that position and costs $250 or less, a lot of people will be buying one.

I'm waiting for November and the 6870, if that delivers 135-140% of a GTX 480, I'm all over that card. That will be some insane performance, and hopefully with less heat and noise.

yeah I would certainly entertain it!

bringing 1920x1200 eyefinity down under 300 bucks would be insanely good for AMD

 

[IndyColtsFan]

this is likely correct, though many rumors put barts xt as 6870 and cayman xt as 6970.

That's where I'm confused. I want to get whatever the high-end single GPU card will be. I'm not sure if that is the 6870 or the 6970.

AMD needs to stick to their current naming scheme and not muddy the waters.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

My gues is

Caymen XT = 6870
Caymen PRO = 6850
Barts XT = 6770
Barts PRO = 6750

caymen is the top GPU, XT is the top SKU of that GPU.

If there was a Caymen LE (6830) I always joked that LE stood for "Lame Edition"

That naming scheme would make sense. The whole "6970 will actually be their high-end single GPU card" rumor is what confused me. They need to stick to their current naming scheme.

 

[bryanW1995]

it will be easy to figure out when launch comes around: barts xt = 1280 sp's/320 alu, cayman xt = 1920 sp's/480 alu. Also, if there are any last minute changes then I'm sure that AT's launch article will clear up the confusion.

 

[v8envy]

The bigger question: is a single 6870 > dual-GPU 5970? If so they will pretty much destroy NV's current lineup and possibly null their current plans (2011-2012) for the upcoming one as well.

Unpossible with just 1920 shaders, even if they are more efficient. Corner cases like poor 5 series tesselation and no crossfire scaling excepted.

Now, will it be faster than a GTX480 more often than not? While retaining a heat, power use and noise advantage? Extremely likely.

I'm expecting a $500-550 high end card with a 10% across the board performance advantage over the GTX480. The cut down version fitting between the 470 and 480 for $300-350. On the midrange, a 5850 level performer for $230-250 and 5830 equivalent for $190-199. Those being MSRP.

 

[bryanW1995]

remember that there are lots of 5xxx series xfire issues, however. it is definitely possible for cayman xt to be at least close to 5970 level performance b/c it will have ~ 75% of the alu's and none of the dx11 weaknesses and xfire issues as you mentioned. also, won't most buyers be looking forward with their purchase anyway? 5970 or gtx 480 are more than sufficient for the vast majority of pre dx11 games anyway, so future dx11 performance will be very important for this card. also, as russiansensation and many others have mentioned, 5xxx is currently getting smoked in dx11 titles so it's a true weakness that must be addressed.

I definitely don't agree with t2k's thought that it might "crush nvidia's 2011-12 palns as well", however. Nvidia can see just as well as we can what is important in future games, are they really going to plan for only slight iterative improvments when they go to 28nm? 6xxx looks like it will dominate for a while, but once 28nm hits it will be anybody's ballgame all over again.

 

[OCGuy]

The bigger question: is a single 6870 > dual-GPU 5970? If so they will pretty much destroy NV's current lineup and possibly null their current plans (2011-2012) for the upcoming one as well.

When is the last time something like this happened?

Although with the recent driver issues, I would take a 6870 over a Xfire card anyday.

 

[bunnyfubbles]

I think this guy said it best in the comments area...

Quote:
JimbobAlonymous September 24, 2010, 11:07 a.m.

lol Charlie, if this was an Nvidia card with the same exact timeline and upgrade plans, you'd be saying "this is just a rehash of the same part, nice innovation there, let's just update a few things and call it a whole new chip". This looks like the same post about the G92, but with a positive spin because it's ATI...i mean AMD.

I would like to see this site post some unbiased material about...say...ANYTHING...anything at all. I think ATI,er AMD pays the bills around here or something.


Takeaway points, still nothing officially confirmed.

The 6770 does look mighty nice for my rig though.

You're not helping here, why do you have to go and do that? The OP already snipped out any potential bias with his summarizing takeaway points.

Your crusade is totally unnecessary here.