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Catch-22!! Can't reinstall because I cant ....

Felecha

Golden Member
Custom built Athlon900 Tbird, 2 30gb IBM DeskStar 75gxp, 256 ram, oem 98se.

I've had an increasing number of times in the last 2 months or so, when on reboot it failed to get all the way to the end - comes up to an arrow cursor or arrow with hourglass, I can move them around, but no icons, no taskbar. A second reboot usually does it, often I need a third, rarely a 4th. Makes me nervous -- I'm a student and use it just all the time. I've reinstalled Windows maybe a half dozen times in my career, always with a prayer -- I've totally crashed and formatted twice by doing so. Maybe I'm clumsy.

So today I decided it's getting too dangerous to not do something. I've backed up everything, ready to close my eyes and jump. On setup.exe, it started checking the drives and came back with - can't check drives, run scandisk in MS-DOS mode. I have Norton Disk Doctor, which I regularly run, but starting a couple of months ago it ran into objections to something having to do with my 2 hard drives and the way they're partitioned with Partition Magic. I let it fix the problem it said it found, but then BootMagic had a problem with whatever NDD did to fix things. I went back to the way I had it and have just clicked "No" to NDD's question each time as to whether it should fix the problem it keeps finding each time I run it. I really don't know what's going on there, and it may have a lot to do with today's problem, but I don't know.
So I started with ScanDisk and it immediately told me the FAT copies are not the same and should be fixed. I put in the floppy for the Undo disk, and it just didn't go right. I kept hearing the floppy sound -- "dzzzt..dzzzt.." for minutes on end. So I exited and went to NDD to check things, and it also found the FAT's not all the same, and when I told it to fix it and gave it a floppy for Undo disk, it seemed go right on as if the problem was fix ed, but when it started over it came right back -- "FAT problem, want to fix it?" Endless loop, so I said No after a while, and it then found a file with an invalid time/date stamp. I agreed to let it fix and do the Undo, but it went into the same endless loop, including back to the FAT problem. Then a problem with a long filename, and the same story - fixing it doesn't fix it. I'm caught in an endless loop of endless loops, and at the end of it all, Windows won't let me reinstall until I clean things up and I can't clean things up.
Does any of this give any of you a clue? I'm REALLY nervous now.

Thanks a lot










 
first start your computer with a boot disk and format the drives. Then reinstall windows. That should fix the problem.

If you don't want to do that you could start setup by typing "x:\setup /is" which will skip the scandisk part of setup
 
Reformatting iw what I'm trying to avoid. But thanks for the switch. That got me by the check, but in the middle of the reinstall, it said my video adapter was wrong, and click here, and I did, and it fell into the BSOD. To my amazement it rebooted to ScanReg and put back an older version of the registry, I guess, and I'm back and running, but the multiple-reboot-to-succeed thing is still there. But at least I'm still runnning.

Last time I formatted it took 2 days to get back to where I was, and I just pray not to have to do that right now. School is really pressing.

Sigh ....
 
My guess is that your hard drives have some bad sectors on them. Theres currently a class action lawsuit being filed on behalf on IBM75gxp owners, as the drive has caused an alarming number of failures since its introduction. Try to find that somewhere. My advice: Replace your drives.
 
here's a catch 22 for ya... default NT 4 workstation installation (no service packs) comes with IE 2.0

try to install the latest service pack.. it says you must first have at least IE 4.0


so you surf to www.microsoft.com with IE 2.0 to download the latest IE upgrade... and IE 2.0 won't display microsoft's own website! you must have at least IE 3!

so you grab an old AOL cd with IE 5 and try to install the IE portion - nope! gotta have at least service pack 4! WTF!!

 
My advise, since you obvious took a lot of time get to the point where you are now. It is to reformat the drive. (Trust me... it a lot faster, then trying to figure out what happened)
It time to get start fresh. After you finishing instrall of your software, ghost at least 2 copies on a CD where you can recover in a matter of minutes not hours, Separate
you data files from the applications,data files and ghost those seprate, just in case you would like to start out fresh.


As for the NT Service Pack.... I give up ,.... use Netscape/ Mozilla... That Bill Gate for you.. What a oxymoron. Now you know why there old product is gone.


MICRSOFT WORKS (Word Processing Prog)..........yeah right.
 
Several years ago I had a terrible problem that I finally found out had something to do with a .dll overwritten by IE4. I use Opera anyway (great browser!!) so I tried to solve my problem by uninstalling IE and then I was going to reinstall the app that IE had squashed. I got the message -- "Can't uninstall Internet Explorer - you do not have another version to fall back on." What??? There's a rule that you can't NOT have IE on your machine??? I then tried to change the file name to get it out of the way and it wouldn't allow that. Then I forget why, but I went to reinstall IE and got - "IE is already installed". From that day I felt really screwed by MS, and happy to circumvent anything of theirs I feel like.
 


<< What??? There's a rule that you can't NOT have IE on your machine??? >>




Yes... which is one of the reasons Microsoft is being sued by the government
 


<< here's a catch 22 for ya... default NT 4 workstation installation (no service packs) comes with IE 2.0

try to install the latest service pack.. it says you must first have at least IE 4.0


so you surf to www.microsoft.com with IE 2.0 to download the latest IE upgrade... and IE 2.0 won't display microsoft's own website! you must have at least IE 3!

so you grab an old AOL cd with IE 5 and try to install the IE portion - nope! gotta have at least service pack 4! WTF!!
>>


Heh, I thought the solution was to install some older service pack first, then upgrade to IE 4, then install the latest service pack, then upgrade to the latest IE. 😕
 


<< My advise, since you obvious took a lot of time get to the point where you are now. It is to reformat the drive. (Trust me... it a lot faster, then trying to figure out what happened)
It time to get start fresh. After you finishing instrall of your software, ghost at least 2 copies on a CD where you can recover in a matter of minutes not hours, Separate
you data files from the applications,data files and ghost those seprate, just in case you would like to start out fresh.
>>




So, if I did that and ever had to restore again, any NEW apps I had installed would have to be added fresh, but that wouldn't take so long, and then they could be added to a new Ghost at that time? I've not used Ghost, but have PowerQuest's Drive Image, which I don't like since it failed me a couple of times -- couldn't read back an image when I wanted it. Is Ghost considered bullet-proof reliable?
 
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