someone with ATI card,,,,,(any card ) and a hyperthreaded and dual core CPU...please send us some results as soon as you can,,,,,thank you,
get them from the usual places
get them from the usual places
Catalysts 5.12 are out
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New Features
The Catalyst 5.12 software suite introduces dual core support for CPU bound cases. This feature provides improved graphics performance for DX 9 supported graphics adapters installed in systems running the Windows XP and Windows XP Professional x64 Edition operating systems.
Performance Improvements
Catalyst 5.12 improves a variety of CPU-bound performance cases when an ATI product is installed in conjunction with a dual-core or hyperthreading CPU. Performance gains include:
3DMark05 gains as much as 5.7%
3DMark03 gains as much as 3.3%
3DMark2001 SE gains up to 10%
Aquamark 3 gains up to 16%
Comanche 4 improves as much as 20%
Far Cry gains as much as 25% on some product configurations
Half-Life 2 performance improves as much as 8%
Splinter Cell improves as much as 8% in certain parts of the game
Tomb Raider Angel of Darkness runs as much as 10% faster
Unreal Tournament 2004 framerates improve as much as 10%
www.ATI.com for the download
The Catalyst 5.12 software suite introduces dual core support for CPU bound cases. This feature provides improved graphics performance for DX 9 supported graphics adapters installed in systems running the Windows XP and Windows XP Professional x64 Edition operating systems.
Performance Improvements
Catalyst 5.12 improves a variety of CPU-bound performance cases when an ATI product is installed in conjunction with a dual-core or hyperthreading CPU. Performance gains include:
3DMark05 gains as much as 5.7%
3DMark03 gains as much as 3.3%
3DMark2001 SE gains up to 10%
Aquamark 3 gains up to 16%
Comanche 4 improves as much as 20%
Far Cry gains as much as 25% on some product configurations
Half-Life 2 performance improves as much as 8%
Splinter Cell improves as much as 8% in certain parts of the game
Tomb Raider Angel of Darkness runs as much as 10% faster
Unreal Tournament 2004 framerates improve as much as 10%
www.ATI.com for the download
Xbitlabs has a review out with the latest 5.12's being used.
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/games-2005.html
and holy snizzat! looks like ATi worked overtime on thier openGL performance
http://www.xbitlabs.com/images/video/games-2005/high/q4_highend_pure.gif
http://www.xbitlabs.com/images/video/games-2005/high/q4_highend_candy.gif
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/games-2005.html
and holy snizzat! looks like ATi worked overtime on thier openGL performance
http://www.xbitlabs.com/images/video/games-2005/high/q4_highend_pure.gif
http://www.xbitlabs.com/images/video/games-2005/high/q4_highend_candy.gif
Be nice when an official comparison review comes out, but this looks promising.
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/games-2005_16.html
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/games-2005_16.html
Soccerman06
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I like how the X850XT PE is faster than the X1800XL in non aa/af games. Its even faster than the X1800XT in AoE3.
Wow, at high res with AA and AF turned on the x1800xt is doing a really good job. I can't wait install mine this weekend. Having a dell 2405fpw, I only look at the high res graphs since those are my needs.
Lets hope that 5.13's are out in another few weeks with some more performance. I personally don't care much for the "avivo" stuff.
Lets hope that 5.13's are out in another few weeks with some more performance. I personally don't care much for the "avivo" stuff.
The x850xt PE is using SM2.0 while the x1800xt is using SM3.0
I wonder why the AOE performance is so horrible with the x1800xt???
Spicedaddy
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yeah, I had to install the .NET framework to get them to work and CCC doesn't have options for Performance/Quality AF.
sucks...
raystorm
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nope..its over for the old control panel. Its CCC or nothing. Of course you could do what I do (and I'm sure many others) and use ATI Tray Tools.
No more regular control panel..oh well
Zenoth
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I just installed Catalyst 5.12.
Conclusion: The best Catalyst version since 4.12 without questions.
I gained 91 3DMark05 points with a mere drivers change (my new score's compare link has been updated in my signature). That's with an over-clocked status.
And I gained 82 points at stock speeds.
3DMark05 with 5.11 @ 550/550: 7828
3DMark05 with 5.12 @ 550/550: 7919 (score in link from signature)
3DMark05 with 5.11 @ stock: 7266
3DMark05 with 5.12 @ stock: 7348
I really like the driver so far.
Not to mention that Catalyst Control Center finally seems faster and more responsive. I'm using .Net Framework 1.1 with Service Pack 1 for it, in case someone might wonder. I wanted to get the "Driver Only" package, but I decided to give CCC a chance, since I did not download Catalysts with CCC since 5.9. So, I'm not 100% sure about CCC being faster, but ... so far, it looks like it is, even though it wasn't actually mentioned in the change log as optimizations for it or anything, so, I'm just assuming it is.
One thing is for sure, I can confirm, at least on my system, Catalyst 5.12 is the best version I've tried since a long, very long time.
And my horizontal tearing is gone in Day Of Defeat: Source. It might have been fixed simply by changing drivers or something else, I'm not sure on that one too, but it's gone now. I'm happy about that as well.
To anyone here using ATi products supported by the driver, I highly suggest you install it and give it a try.
Oh and, finally, that's on a Single-Core CPU system for the moment. Even though it was optimized for Dual-Core CPU's, it seems it is also faster, perhaps depending on system configurations and others, on Single-Core CPU's.
Conclusion: The best Catalyst version since 4.12 without questions.
I gained 91 3DMark05 points with a mere drivers change (my new score's compare link has been updated in my signature). That's with an over-clocked status.
And I gained 82 points at stock speeds.
3DMark05 with 5.11 @ 550/550: 7828
3DMark05 with 5.12 @ 550/550: 7919 (score in link from signature)
3DMark05 with 5.11 @ stock: 7266
3DMark05 with 5.12 @ stock: 7348
I really like the driver so far.
Not to mention that Catalyst Control Center finally seems faster and more responsive. I'm using .Net Framework 1.1 with Service Pack 1 for it, in case someone might wonder. I wanted to get the "Driver Only" package, but I decided to give CCC a chance, since I did not download Catalysts with CCC since 5.9. So, I'm not 100% sure about CCC being faster, but ... so far, it looks like it is, even though it wasn't actually mentioned in the change log as optimizations for it or anything, so, I'm just assuming it is.
One thing is for sure, I can confirm, at least on my system, Catalyst 5.12 is the best version I've tried since a long, very long time.
And my horizontal tearing is gone in Day Of Defeat: Source. It might have been fixed simply by changing drivers or something else, I'm not sure on that one too, but it's gone now. I'm happy about that as well.
To anyone here using ATi products supported by the driver, I highly suggest you install it and give it a try.
Oh and, finally, that's on a Single-Core CPU system for the moment. Even though it was optimized for Dual-Core CPU's, it seems it is also faster, perhaps depending on system configurations and others, on Single-Core CPU's.
Powermoloch
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Soccerman06
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http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/games-2005_16.html
1600x1200 4xAA/16xAF
x1800xt 7800GTX 512 7800GTX 256
BF2 85.7 86.4 69.3
COD2 39.3 40.6 25.6
FEAR 39 35 27
Quake4 95.4 106.3 81.7
SS2 34.4 39.1 23.4
SC:CT 51.2 53.1 39.6
AOE III 28.8 60.5 47.5 (Don't get the x1800 if you like this game!)
Except of AOE, the x1800xt seems to be doing a good job of keep up with the 7800GTX 512 and clearly walking away from the 7800GTX 256. I wonder if it's the new drivers or are we seeing the potential of the x1800xt in newer games that are coming out and starting to be used for benchmarks?
1600x1200 4xAA/16xAF
x1800xt 7800GTX 512 7800GTX 256
BF2 85.7 86.4 69.3
COD2 39.3 40.6 25.6
FEAR 39 35 27
Quake4 95.4 106.3 81.7
SS2 34.4 39.1 23.4
SC:CT 51.2 53.1 39.6
AOE III 28.8 60.5 47.5 (Don't get the x1800 if you like this game!)
Except of AOE, the x1800xt seems to be doing a good job of keep up with the 7800GTX 512 and clearly walking away from the 7800GTX 256. I wonder if it's the new drivers or are we seeing the potential of the x1800xt in newer games that are coming out and starting to be used for benchmarks?
Zenoth
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The potential. It's the potential that we see right now. It's being exploited properly by newer drivers.
Initially, the first X1800 / X1600 / X1300 XL / XT reviews were made under Catalyst 5.10, which didn't fully support the X1K series.
Catalyst 5.11 increased performance to some extent, especially by optimizing vertex processing.
But now 5.12 seems to demonstrate that ATi is willing to constantly, or when possible, increase performance and optimize their newest drivers for at least their previous, and current generation (X800 and X1K). Performance increase under Radeon series 9xxx seemed to have stoped a few versions ago (as in 5.1 / 5.2).
So far I am actually surprised to see that ATi released two ... not one, but indeed two Catalysts just one after the other that increased performance and optimized specific sectors.
Usually, such "improvements" are seen about each three or four Catalyst releases, and usually only consists of in-game bug fixes, and other fixes. But 5.11 and 5.12 both optimizes performance and execution / handling of specific games / situations / system configuration. And for that, I can thank ATi.
And I can't wait to see R580 performing under Catalyst 6 series in a few months.
Initially, the first X1800 / X1600 / X1300 XL / XT reviews were made under Catalyst 5.10, which didn't fully support the X1K series.
Catalyst 5.11 increased performance to some extent, especially by optimizing vertex processing.
But now 5.12 seems to demonstrate that ATi is willing to constantly, or when possible, increase performance and optimize their newest drivers for at least their previous, and current generation (X800 and X1K). Performance increase under Radeon series 9xxx seemed to have stoped a few versions ago (as in 5.1 / 5.2).
So far I am actually surprised to see that ATi released two ... not one, but indeed two Catalysts just one after the other that increased performance and optimized specific sectors.
Usually, such "improvements" are seen about each three or four Catalyst releases, and usually only consists of in-game bug fixes, and other fixes. But 5.11 and 5.12 both optimizes performance and execution / handling of specific games / situations / system configuration. And for that, I can thank ATi.
And I can't wait to see R580 performing under Catalyst 6 series in a few months.
Zenoth
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And Age Of Empires III benchmarks for ATi are disappointing for one, very simply reason.
ATi GPU's always had a hard time dealing with Shadows, especially Stencil Shadows.
AOE III uses Stencil Shadows at the highest in-game Shadow quality option.
Benchmarks ran the game with all in-game settings to their highest.
So, we see ATi scores dropping, because of the way ATi products handle Shadows, especially complex Shadow techniques.
That's exactly where nVidia performs better, and their UltraShadow II technology is just a superb manner to compute Shadow information, which results in smooth performance in games like Doom 3, Quake IV, AOE III, and other games where complex Shadows, or Stencil Shadows are used. Another example would be Warhammer 40,000: Dawn Of War (compared in benchmarks at Xbit Labs), where nVidia clearly performs better under high in-game settings.
Personally, I've been playing AOE III on my system with my X1800 XL at 1280 x 960, all in-game settings at their highest, plus 4x HQ A-F, and Shadows turned Off, smooth. Remains fluid.
ATi GPU's always had a hard time dealing with Shadows, especially Stencil Shadows.
AOE III uses Stencil Shadows at the highest in-game Shadow quality option.
Benchmarks ran the game with all in-game settings to their highest.
So, we see ATi scores dropping, because of the way ATi products handle Shadows, especially complex Shadow techniques.
That's exactly where nVidia performs better, and their UltraShadow II technology is just a superb manner to compute Shadow information, which results in smooth performance in games like Doom 3, Quake IV, AOE III, and other games where complex Shadows, or Stencil Shadows are used. Another example would be Warhammer 40,000: Dawn Of War (compared in benchmarks at Xbit Labs), where nVidia clearly performs better under high in-game settings.
Personally, I've been playing AOE III on my system with my X1800 XL at 1280 x 960, all in-game settings at their highest, plus 4x HQ A-F, and Shadows turned Off, smooth. Remains fluid.
I'm an ATI nOOb and just installed a X800GTO with these drivers. Where to you get this CCC thing? Easy to use?
Originally posted by: Wag
CCC doesn't work for me on XP64, it just locks up.
yeah I heard alot of people are having to install .net 1.1 to get the CCC working with these drivers. XP64 bit only has .NET 2.0 so its not going to work for you...
I hope ATI relizes they are driving thier customers away with this new CCC. I liked the regular CC alot but the CCC is a bloated mess.
Rumour has it ATI will be releasing an update with goodies just before Christmas. That would make it 5.13.
eva2000
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well here's some 3dmark05 cat 5.11 single core cpu vs cat 5.12 dual core cpu comparisons with X1800XT http://i4memory.com/showthread.php?t=1910
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