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Castro is NOT dead, shows up on TV

ProfJohn

ProfJohn

Lifer
I wish Castro would hurry up and get it over with.

He showed up on Cuba TV again. Reading from a Cuban newspaper.

I was one of the people who thought he was dead.
As were a lot of people who studied the actions on the Cuban government.
Story on Castro still kicking Link

Is he ever going to die? sheeeesh
Let's hope that when it does happen the people fo Cuba will have a chance for freedom and democracy.

 
NPR (National Proletariat Radio) was literally gushing over how "liberalized" and "reform minded" Raul will be as the President of Cuba when El Jefe finally starts pushing up daisies. They were cooing about how smooth (murderous) the transition to Raul as El Commandante will be, and how much improved it will be for the regular guy in the new and revised worker's paradise of Cuba (where all medical care is free).

I like the description someone gave that Cuba was an army with a country, rather than a country with an army.

My head was just about ready to spin off the top of my body and explode.

Nothing will get better after Castro dies, gotta kill off the whole family....it's a criminal enterprise
 
I read a well researched article by someone in the know that Raul would most likely be worse than his brother and that the real chance for reform comes from so others within the party.
Really the best hope is some popular uprising once Castro is gone.
Castro <-- liberals favorite tyrant.
 
Originally posted by: heartsurgeon
Nothing will get better after Castro dies, gotta kill off the whole family....it's a criminal enterprise
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A little blood thirsty aren't we Dr? Sounds like something a Bolshevik would recommend.
 
Originally posted by: Banned Member with a new ISP
I read a well researched article by someone in the know that Raul would most likely be worse than his brother and that the real chance for reform comes from so others within the party.
Really the best hope is some popular uprising once Castro is gone.
Castro <-- liberals favorite tyrant.
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Make up your mind, last week it was Saddam:roll:

 
Sounds like something a Bolshevik would recommend.
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I would consider it an act of political hygiene if the entire Castro political machine were sterilized.

My fav Bolshevik quote was from Stalin: "Intellectuals? We round them up first and shoot them"

He also had a pithy commentary about serving in the Soviet military: "it takes more courage in the Soviet Army to retreat, than to advance"

 
Originally posted by: heartsurgeon
Sounds like something a Bolshevik would recommend.
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I would consider it an act of political hygiene if the entire Castro political machine were sterilized.

Nothing will get better after Castro dies, gotta kill off the whole family....it's a criminal enterprise
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Who'd you study medicine under, Josef Mengele? Why'd you become a Heartsurgeon, lack of one yourself? You are talking about murdering a whole family because of the sins of a father and his brother!:disgust:
 
Originally posted by: heartsurgeon
Sounds like something a Bolshevik would recommend.
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I would consider it an act of political hygiene if the entire Castro political machine were sterilized.

My fav Bolshevik quote was from Stalin: "Intellectuals? We round them up first and shoot them"
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Hey, that sounds familiar. Where else would I have heard constant attacks on "liberal academics", "ivory tower intellectuals" and the "intellectual elitists"?

As for the main topic, Castro is to a large extent a product of idiotic american policy, and seeing the retards you have in charge of foreign policy now, you'll probably have more like him in the future.
 
Hey, that sounds familiar. Where else would I have heard constant attacks on "liberal academics", "ivory tower intellectuals" and the "intellectual elitists"?
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gee, a witty post about irony, and the libs completely miss point...why am i surprised..

now i have to explain irony to you...oh my..

well, you see, i enjoy the quote because liberals and lefities like many that post on this forum, actually believe that communism was a good idea. Well, in a communist society, the liberals and the lefties were the first ones executed (by the very system they worshipped).

You only get to complain about the goverment in an open society. for all the malarkey about civil liberties being eroded and Bush seizing power, the DixieChicks being "censored" by he government, what lefties should be fearing is the very system they wistfully dream about.

the very fact that you all get to spew out utter crap about the government proves your in a free society.

get it now?
 
Originally posted by: heartsurgeon
Hey, that sounds familiar. Where else would I have heard constant attacks on "liberal academics", "ivory tower intellectuals" and the "intellectual elitists"?
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gee, a witty post about irony, and the libs completely miss point...why am i surprised..

now i have to explain irony to you...oh my..

well, you see, i enjoy the quote because liberals and lefities like many that post on this forum, actually believe that communism was a good idea. Well, in a communist society, the liberals and the lefties were the first ones executed (by the very system they worshipped).

You only get to complain about the goverment in an open society. for all the malarkey about civil liberties being eroded and Bush seizing power, the DixieChicks being "censored" by he government, what lefties should be fearing is the very system they wistfully dream about.

the very fact that you all get to spew out utter crap about the government proves your in a free society.

get it now?
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Wait a second, how did we go from murdering Castros family to Libs and Lefties supporting Communism? Self Medicating thiese days good Dr?
 
Originally posted by: heartsurgeon
well, you see, i enjoy the quote because liberals and lefities like many that post on this forum, actually believe that communism was a good idea.
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Do you actually know that most leftists on this forum support communism, or is this just an ignornant generalization based off of dumb stereotypes?
 
Originally posted by: heartsurgeon
NPR (National Proletariat Radio) was literally gushing over how "liberalized" and "reform minded" Raul will be as the President of Cuba when El Jefe finally starts pushing up daisies. They were cooing about how smooth (murderous) the transition to Raul as El Commandante will be, and how much improved it will be for the regular guy in the new and revised worker's paradise of Cuba (where all medical care is free).

I like the description someone gave that Cuba was an army with a country, rather than a country with an army.

My head was just about ready to spin off the top of my body and explode.

Nothing will get better after Castro dies, gotta kill off the whole family....it's a criminal enterprise
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I listen to NPR for several hours each weekday and missed such "gushing." Please provide a link or some verificaton to back up your accusatory conclusions.

I'm no big fan of dictatorships by any means, but anyone with the slightest knowledge of history knows that Cuba was totally run by a criminal enterprise before Castro seized power, consisting of the US Mafia and a couple of US corporations.

Slaughtering all a ruler's family, now there is an enlightened viewpoint.

Back on point, I wonder if Castro will give General Franco a run for the money in the length-of-time-it-takes-a-despotic-ruler-to-die race.
 
well, you see, i enjoy the quote because liberals and lefities like many that post on this forum, actually believe that communism was a good idea.
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With that statement you pretty much lost any miniscule amount of credibility you may have had left.
 
Originally posted by: heartsurgeon
Hey, that sounds familiar. Where else would I have heard constant attacks on "liberal academics", "ivory tower intellectuals" and the "intellectual elitists"?
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gee, a witty post about irony, and the libs completely miss point...why am i surprised..

now i have to explain irony to you...oh my..

well, you see, i enjoy the quote because liberals and lefities like many that post on this forum, actually believe that communism was a good idea. Well, in a communist society, the liberals and the lefties were the first ones executed (by the very system they worshipped).

You only get to complain about the goverment in an open society. for all the malarkey about civil liberties being eroded and Bush seizing power, the DixieChicks being "censored" by he government, what lefties should be fearing is the very system they wistfully dream about.

the very fact that you all get to spew out utter crap about the government proves your in a free society.

get it now?
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And I enjoy the quote because it really shows who's the torchbearer of the same idea these days.

But do I "get it"? Yes and no. Yes, because once I realized that you people are essentially retarded and irrational, you become very easy to understand. Whether its Ann Coulter calling McCarthy a "patriot" and "hero", people's support of preventive warfare, you calling liberals communists, or the rantings of evangelicals that evolution can't explain the eye, and that the earth is less than 10000 years old, its all a manifestation of the same underlying cause.

But on another level, no. I've wondered what it is like to be retarded and irrational - to listen to rightist pundits and agree with them, to listen to a preacher and believe things like creation/ID... but I couldn't get it. I just can't empathize with that.
 
i have read posts on this forum exhaulting the wisdom of the communist system, and as far as i can tell, even in this thread, Castro seems to have some supporters, or at a minimum, apologists.

Heck, I know you Che Guevara lovers are out there...admit it. You think he was "cool"

the irony is that the Goverment (Bush) that they hate, allows them the freedom to post any complaint they can imagine, without repercussion. Meanwhile, the goverments that they exhault, would have been imprisoned or executed under either Stalin OR Castro. FYI, Che was a murderous SOB as well.

this is the irony and subtle humor behind Stalin's comment. The most rabid "true believers" of the leftist credo are liabilities to those leftists in command. hence they must be done away with.

Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn (for you who don't read much, he's Russian, won the Nobel Prize in Literature...that means he writes books) was sent to the Soviet Gulag because he wrote a friend complaining that Stalin wasn't being communist enough.

As for the NPR commentary about Fidel, you probably don't remember it because you thought it was reasonable and well thought out.
 
Originally posted by: heartsurgeon

the irony is that the Goverment (Bush) that they hate, [/b].
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Since when is Bush our government? As much as you wish he had the power of Fidel he doesn't.
 
Originally posted by: blackllotus
Originally posted by: heartsurgeon
well, you see, i enjoy the quote because liberals and lefities like many that post on this forum, actually believe that communism was a good idea.
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Do you actually know that most leftists on this forum support communism, or is this just an ignornant generalization based off of dumb stereotypes?
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The majority of youths in America openly support socialism, which is just another name for communism.
 
Originally posted by: heartsurgeon
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As for the NPR commentary about Fidel, you probably don't remember it because you thought it was reasonable and well thought out.
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No, I honestly don't remember it. Please provide a little or at least some modicum of verification of the basis of your statements.

I miss having guys like "heartsurgeon" around, and Tex, and pabster (in his prime). Theri oversimiplification and tunnelvision are refreshing alternatives to real life and deliberative thought.
 
It was on NPR last week, I heard it in the afternoon driving home. That's about as close to the timing as I can make it. Sorry i can't pin it down any closer time-wise.
Besides, it really doesn't matter in the forum, whether you post links to hard data or facts.

Would anyone care to denounce Castro or Che, or heck even Stalin? Probably not...how about Kim Jong Il...Ceausescu? Heck, his own countrymen strung him and the wife up? Anyone?

How about denouncing Bush? I'll bet more folks will denounce Bush in this forum, than all the communist dictators combined..
 
Originally posted by: heartsurgeon
It was on NPR last week, I heard it in the afternoon driving home. That's about as close to the timing as I can make it. Sorry i can't pin it down any closer time-wise.
Besides, it really doesn't matter in the forum, whether you post links to hard data or facts.

Would anyone care to denounce Castro or Che, or heck even Stalin? Probably not...how about Kim Jong Il...Ceausescu? Heck, his own countrymen strung him and the wife up? Anyone?

How about denouncing Bush? I'll bet more folks will denounce Bush in this forum, than all the communist dictators combined..
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Ridiculous. I will certainly step up and condemn all those people. Heck, I'll even throw in Hitler, and Pol Pot. I don't like them either. Believe it or not, I'm not even fond of Saddam Hussein. Honestly, though, Stalin, who died 53 years ago, doesn't have much effect on my life from day to day. Similarly, Ceaucescu and Che, both of whom have been dead for many years, aren't really players in my life. Heck, even Castro, who lives relatively nearby, really doesn't matter to me. Kim Jong Il is a really really bad guy, and given the chance he'd probably kill me.

All that being said, President Bush is the one who insists on spending more of my money than any President in history. He's the one who insisted on sending hundreds of thousands of my comrades-in-arms to a war that has had a negative effect on our national security. He's the one who has abrogated the Constitution and the Geneva Conventions, and has destroyed our country's station in pretty much every nation on earth, with the possible exception of Israel. In short, he sucks, and the fact that you are effectively comparing him to despots just demonstrates the fact that he can't compare favorably to virtually any respectable democratically-elected leader.
 
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All that being said, President Bush is the one who insists on spending more of my money than any President in history.
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In terms of spending as percentage of GDP that statement is not true.
In terms of spending vs. GDP the peak was reached in 1983 at 23.5%
It was over 21% for all of Bush 41.
and over 20% for Clinton's first term
In his second term it dropped as low as 18.4% in 2000
Under Bush 43 it jumped to 20 again, but it is still lower than any time between 1974 and 1996.
You would never know that Bush was spending less than Carter, Reagan, Bush 41 and Clinton?s first term by the news coverage huh?

The Bush deficits are caused by the rise in spending vs. GDP to 20% at the same time revenue vs. GDP dropped to 16.5 (2003)

BTW: In terms of dollars every President spends more than the one before him.


Actual figures link Note the 2006 figures are wrong. The estimate was off by nearly $200 billion. Spending vs. GDP for 2006 should have been below 20%.
 
Originally posted by: heartsurgeon
NPR (National Proletariat Radio) was literally gushing over how "liberalized" and "reform minded" Raul will be as the President of Cuba when El Jefe finally starts pushing up daisies. They were cooing about how smooth (murderous) the transition to Raul as El Commandante will be, and how much improved it will be for the regular guy in the new and revised worker's paradise of Cuba (where all medical care is free).

I like the description someone gave that Cuba was an army with a country, rather than a country with an army.

My head was just about ready to spin off the top of my body and explode.

Nothing will get better after Castro dies, gotta kill off the whole family....it's a criminal enterprise
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PS: I caught a brief video of Fidel Castro on the evening news. As my father was fond of saying, I don't think he's at the stage of life where he should be buying green bananas.

"Heartsurgeon" has been unable to provide specific information about the NPR episode that caused such a severe reaction for him. I've since gone on the NPR site, and the only recent Castro or Cuba episode I could turn up was a Morning Edition 10/25/06 piece (brief article and full audio linked below). I've just finished listening to it, and it seems to be a straight forward news story to me, basically reporting known verifiable facts on Raul's new government and speculating about the status of Fidel's health (or death) together with brief clips from various Cuba watchers speculating on the future. I invite all to take a listen to this story and reach your own conclusions-especially prior to accepting ANY of "heartsurgeon's" future assertions as having any basis in reality.

NPR-Castro Illness Leads to Questions About Cuba's Future
 
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Originally posted by: DonVito
All that being said, President Bush is the one who insists on spending more of my money than any President in history.
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In terms of spending as percentage of GDP that statement is not true.
In terms of spending vs. GDP the peak was reached in 1983 at 23.5%
It was over 21% for all of Bush 41.
and over 20% for Clinton's first term
In his second term it dropped as low as 18.4% in 2000
Under Bush 43 it jumped to 20 again, but it is still lower than any time between 1974 and 1996.
You would never know that Bush was spending less than Carter, Reagan, Bush 41 and Clinton?s first term by the news coverage huh?

The Bush deficits are caused by the rise in spending vs. GDP to 20% at the same time revenue vs. GDP dropped to 16.5 (2003)

BTW: In terms of dollars every President spends more than the one before him.


Actual figures link Note the 2006 figures are wrong. The estimate was off by nearly $200 billion. Spending vs. GDP for 2006 should have been below 20%.
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Bush has increased discretionary spending by 35.8% during his presidency, including 27.9% in non-defense discretionary spending. This is more than Clinton and Nixon (who saw net decreases in discretionary spending during their terms), but also more than Bush 41, Reagan, Carter, Ford (who spent more than Carter, contrary to your implication) or even LBJ (who was the previous recordholder in modern times). Bush is the most profligate spender in the last 40 years, and all with a Republican-led Congress. Hail to the Chief, indeed . . .

Here is some data, thank to the friendly folks at the Cato Instutute.
 
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