Cashier has heart attack, teens decide to rob the store.

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Hayabusa Rider

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Oh come on....
In todays political climate, this fits right in.
They learned well and from the best. So is this really any surprise?
What would be the oddity is a situation where the kid(s) chose not to rob the store, given the opportunity.
How can we expect our kids to be decent and moral when our leaders are not?
I think this guy is headed for a very successful career in politics. Even as president of the United States. Or US Supreme Court justice.
Promising career ahead.

It has nothing to do with political climate or our leaders. If you think that if Hillary or Obama or the reincarnation of George Washington who really never told a lie and tossed a coin across the Potomac would change things then you would be in for a disappointment. Let's not conflate two completely separate different issues as that happens too much anyway.
 
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It has nothing to do with political climate or our leaders. If you think that if Hillary or Obama or the reincarnation of George Washington who really never told a lie and tossed a coin across the Potomac would change things then you would be in for a disappointment. Let's not conflate two completely separate different issues as that happens too much anyway.

Bullshit, if Obama was still president we would all have +50 to personal integrity and +75 to morals. It's all Trump's fault.
 
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Jimzz

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Most recent info I can find is critical condition.

Yea but he was down for 3 minutes before CPR started. He might still have a heart beat and breathing, but that thats probably because of the machines he is on. I doubt he will survive which will make this story even worse. If those kids would have just called 911 then and asked others for help it might have made a difference.
 

Thebobo

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So what can they charge those people with? Besides the obvious of stealing etc, manslaughter?
 

dasherHampton

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Reminds me of the story a month or two ago about a guy who suffered a hit and run in a crosswalk and was lying there unconscious.

Nobody helped him for a long time. Not a soul. Except to rifle through his pockets and steal his stuff.
 

Jaskalas

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I'd also like to slap the bitches that raised them...

Their peers in school or on the street raised them. The parent(s) have little to no influence past a certain age. Culture overtakes family very quickly in our society.
 

woolfe9998

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So what can they charge those people with? Besides the obvious of stealing etc, manslaughter?

I hate to break it to you guys, but under the law, I can't see anything but petty theft here (i.e. shoplifting) unless there was a lot more money in that register than one would think. It isn't "robbery" because there is no force or fear. Just theft.

And there is definitely no manslaughter or anything related to the cashier's heart attack. There is no legal duty to help people. You can literally stand on a beach and watch someone drown without consequence.

This is totally sociopathic behavior which will probably result in a fine and some community service.
 

realibrad

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I hate to break it to you guys, but under the law, I can't see anything but petty theft here (i.e. shoplifting) unless there was a lot more money in that register than one would think. It isn't "robbery" because there is no force or fear. Just theft.

And there is definitely no manslaughter or anything related to the cashier's heart attack. There is no legal duty to help people. You can literally stand on a beach and watch someone drown without consequence.

This is totally sociopathic behavior which will probably result in a fine and some community service.

The only thing you can do is socially shun them for this. I would imagine this will spread pretty quickly.
 

Thebobo

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I hate to break it to you guys, but under the law, I can't see anything but petty theft here (i.e. shoplifting) unless there was a lot more money in that register than one would think. It isn't "robbery" because there is no force or fear. Just theft.

And there is definitely no manslaughter or anything related to the cashier's heart attack. There is no legal duty to help people. You can literally stand on a beach and watch someone drown without consequence.

This is totally sociopathic behavior which will probably result in a fine and some community service.

yes but their actions caused him (arguably) to have the heart attack.
 

Lanyap

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Oh come on....
In todays political climate, this fits right in.
They learned well and from the best. So is this really any surprise?
What would be the oddity is a situation where the kid(s) chose not to rob the store, given the opportunity.
How can we expect our kids to be decent and moral when our leaders are not?
I think this guy is headed for a very successful career in politics. Even as president of the United States. Or US Supreme Court justice.
Promising career ahead.

Political climate? No.
 

woolfe9998

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yes but their actions caused him (arguably) to have the heart attack.

I can't make out what happened before the heart attack. The cashier seemed to be angry with them. Had they already tried to steal?

In any event, even if they had, I still doubt it. If that was just an argument, they aren't going to be liable in any way. People aren't liable because someone had a heart in the middle of an argument.
 

Lanyap

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I can't make out what happened before the heart attack. The cashier seemed to be angry with them. Had they already tried to steal?

In any event, even if they had, I still doubt it. If that was just an argument, they aren't going to be liable in any way. People aren't liable because someone had a heart in the middle of an argument.



The cashier was pointing at the pocket of the teen with the red and grey shirt. I think he was accusing the teen of stealing something and putting in his pocket.
 

woolfe9998

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The cashier was pointing at the pocket of the teen with the red and grey shirt. I think he was accusing the teen of stealing something and putting in his pocket.

No, it wasn't that. I just read the article. One of the teens started eating a "pepperoni stick" while they were standing at the register, and the cashier came around to tell them they can't just start eating the food until they pay for it.
 

Ichinisan

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Oh come on....
In todays political climate, this fits right in.
They learned well and from the best. So is this really any surprise?
What would be the oddity is a situation where the kid(s) chose not to rob the store, given the opportunity.
How can we expect our kids to be decent and moral when our leaders are not?
I think this guy is headed for a very successful career in politics. Even as president of the United States. Or US Supreme Court justice.
Promising career ahead.
Really reaching with this post.

I hate Trump but this post made me groan out loud.
 

paperfist

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No, it wasn't that. I just read the article. One of the teens started eating a "pepperoni stick" while they were standing at the register, and the cashier came around to tell them they can't just start eating the food until they pay for it.

And one of the kids gave the cashier a dollar. When he had his heart attack the kid took the dollar back.

Kids? What about that guy who looks like an adult? He just walked out to.
 

CZroe

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This is why we have prisons, and it saddens me that people are doing this at that age, but it does not change that they need locked up.

I'd also like to slap the bitches that raised them... having no father is not an excuse for something like this. Unless you say the father should have beaten some common sense into them and then the father would be abusive when some beating is clearly needed.

On the other hand, unless this was a rare occurrence of ghetto kids being in the store, then it was the manager's fault for putting one guy alone in this environment. I do blame the manager for staffing the minimal amount of employees he/she felt they could get away with.

Put an armed guard at the door and just shoot thugs as they try to enter. What did we really loose? Thugs dead? It's a good thing.

Oh but what if some thugs are innocent kids? No. Innocent kids don't hang around with thugs. They make their choices the same as everyone else.
He could be the owner. I’d just as soon assume that.
 

mindless1

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mindless1 said:
I do blame the manager for staffing the minimal amount of employees he/she felt they could get away with.

You're being sarcastic, right?
That's not only the history of convenience stores, it's the history of employment.

No, not sarcastic at all. Many years ago I did work at a convenience store w/gas and it was normal to have at least two employees there on Saturday evening when this occured. Grave yard shift, not so much.

This is poor management. I saw it then and see it today as a customer. If you don't have enough employees then the customers get PO'd that they have to wait in line too long and go elsewhere, or the place is a mess because the lone employee tending the register can't keep the place clean, do trash, restrooms, service the fast food machines, watch out for theft (inside and gas outside) etc, etc.

Security is just a second benefit of having more than one employee there during peak hours.