Cash seizures in Nevada for no reson. DA says "It's Legal"

[Kipper717]

Don't go driving in Nevada if you're carrying large sums of cash. The sherrif seized $50K from a man after he was stopped for going 3 miles an hour over the limit.

He got his money back but the DA's office launched an internal review and said "there is no indication there have been any illegal stops or wrongdoing on the party of
Sheriff Ed Kilgore or his deputies."

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/nevada-county-settles-suits-80-cash-seizures-22922083

Is this really happening in the country I grew up in?

I don't know whether to sad, angry or disgusted.

 

[waggy]

shit like that has been going on all over. Once siezure was tied to the department and DA it spiked.

 

[Jeff7]

This article was linked in a thread from a few months ago, also about "legal" seizures.

Even then, forfeiture remained an infrequent resort until 1984, when Congress passed the Comprehensive Crime Control Act. It established a special fund that turned over proceeds from forfeitures to the law-enforcement agencies responsible for them. Local police who provided federal assistance were rewarded with a large percentage of the proceeds, through a program called Equitable Sharing. Soon states were crafting their own forfeiture laws.

Revenue gains were staggering. At the Justice Department, proceeds from forfeiture soared from twenty-seven million dollars in 1985 to five hundred and fifty-six million in 1993. (Last year, the department took in nearly $4.2 billion in forfeitures, a record.) The strategy helped reconcile President Reagan’s call for government action in fighting crime with his call to reduce public spending. In 1989, Attorney General Richard Thornburgh boasted, “It’s now possible for a drug dealer to serve time in a forfeiture-financed prison after being arrested by agents driving a forfeiture-provided automobile while working in a forfeiture-funded sting operation.”

In general, you needn’t be found guilty to have your assets claimed by law enforcement; in some states, suspicion on a par with “probable cause” is sufficient. Nor must you be charged with a crime, or even be accused of one. Unlike criminal forfeiture, which requires that a person be convicted of an offense before his or her property is confiscated, civil forfeiture amounts to a lawsuit filed directly against a possession, regardless of its owner’s guilt or innocence.

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A piece of property does not share the rights of a person. There’s no right to an attorney and, in most states, no presumption of innocence. Owners who wish to contest often find that the cost of hiring a lawyer far exceeds the value of their seized goods. Washington, D.C., charges up to twenty-five hundred dollars simply for the right to challenge a police seizure in court, which can take months or even years to resolve.

Sounds like a pretty profitable racket to be in.


Maybe we can take it as a sign that many of the police and DAs out there aren't corrupt, given that this isn't an incredibly common occurrence: The law has incentivized the police to take valuable property from people, and it sounds like they've made that process fairly simple and risk-free.




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[IHateMyJob2004]

shit like that has been going on all over. Once siezure was tied to the department and DA it spiked.

huh?

 

[IEC]

It's all in the name of "public safety".

The Bill of Rights has been shredded repeatedly in the name of the War on Drugs and the War on Terror.

People are just now realizing we're well on our way to an Orwellian nightmare, and it might be too late to turn back the clock.

 

[waggy]

This article was linked in a thread from a few months ago, also about "legal" seizures.


Sounds like a pretty profitable racket to be in.


Maybe we can take it as a sign that many of the police and DAs out there aren't corrupt, given that this isn't an incredibly common occurrence: The law has incentivized the police to take valuable property from people, and it sounds like they've made that process fairly simple and risk-free.




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yeah that ruling gave them a HUGE reason to steal property..err i mean seize for the greater good


There was a 20/20 or 60 minutes one a few years ago about how one area was using it to seize houses (during the housing boom) for idiotic things and then sell them and make a ton of money off it.

 

[Jumpem]

Cops need to start fearing the public.

 

[IEC]

Cops need to start fearing the public.

Police officers (some, not all) need to learn that they ARE the public. Too often they refer to us as "civilians" when THEY are civilians as well.

It would do them well to remember that there is no justice in enforcing unjust laws. Legal != just.

 

[unokitty]

Is this really happening in the country I grew up in?

I don't know whether to sad, angry or disgusted.

Federal Asset Forfeiture Continues to Skyrocket Under Obama

The Justice Department's asset forfeiture fund under President Obama is the largest it's ever been, having grown from $500 million in 2003, to $1.8 billion in 2011, according to a new report from the GAO.

California cops received $79 million
New York cops received $48 million
Florida cops received $38 million
Texas cops received $31 million
Georgia cops received $30 million
Illinois cops received $16.9 million
Michigan cops received $12.8 million
North Carolina cops received $10 million
Ohio cops received $9.9 million

These payouts are part of the DOJ's "equitable sharing agreement," which incentivizes local cops to conduct federal raids. They then get a portion of the assets seized during the raid (more money if they contribute more resources). That money is then used to finance SWAT and paramilitary training, as well as the acquisition of military grade weapons and equipment.

Just to let you know that if you keep making these radical posts, you are likely to get your income taxes audited by the IRS.

Uno

 

[Svnla]

At least he did get the money back.

See it here, things could have been worse like these motorists = http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/09/texas-police-shakedown-lawsuit_n_1758134.html

Talk about highway robbery, literally.

 

[BUTCH1]

This has been happening for quite awhile, it started in fact here in the Daytona Bch area where I-95 comes through, Sheriff Robert Vogel in the mid '80's was among the first to start the cash grabs, as a FHP trooper he would hide in wooded areas adjacent to I-95 and shine his spotlight on cars passing by, if you were a black person driving a rental vehicle you got pulled over, if you had a wad of say $20K he would call in a drug sniffing dog and the dog would then alert to reside on the $$ and it was seized on that basis. Of course that's total bullshit as any paper money could have had some cocaine residue on it no matter who was carrying it. Usually they would offer the person(s) 1/2 the cash and sign off on it or take all of it and come and fight it in court, most just coughed up the cash and left. A majority was probably going to be used for a drug deal but that does not justify trampling the rights the Constitution is "supposed" to provide us and in some cases older people just don't trust banks and will indeed have a lot of $$ in paper money in their possession. Furthering this we now have laws that state that anything used while in the commission of a felony is subject to forfeiture, our local PD has a 2012 Expedition they use with the words proudly painted on the side "property seized from a drug arrest". As a wise man once said it's not the instantaneous revolution we need to worry about, it's the slow but predictable erosion of our rights, bit by bit...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2NyRlC_gzk

 

[BarkingGhostar]

Cops are above the law. Get over it. I could say more (and worse), but they are watching, listening and reading this. LOL

 

[dmcowen674]

Cash seizures in Nevada for no reson. DA says "It's Legal"

Don't go driving in Nevada if you're carrying large sums of cash. The sherrif seized $50K from a man after he was stopped for going 3 miles an hour over the limit.

He got his money back but the DA's office launched an internal review and said "there is no indication there have been any illegal stops or wrongdoing on the party of
Sheriff Ed Kilgore or his deputies."

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/nevada-county-settles-suits-80-cash-seizures-22922083

Is this really happening in the country I grew up in?

I don't know whether to sad, angry or disgusted.

Up until a couple of years ago the limit was $5,000 but they lowered it to $3,000

There is more to this but I am not allowed to speak about it.

Let's just say you are tracked.

 

[GoPackGo]

Up until a couple of years ago the limit was $5,000 but they lowered it to $3,000

There is more to this but I am not allowed to speak about it.

Let's just say you are tracked.

RFID in larger bills?

 

[Bateluer]

There is more to this but I am not allowed to speak about it.

Some how I don't think anyone cares what an armchair pundit in his parent's basement thinks about anything going on in the world.

 

[Kipper717]

After reading the NewYorker article from last August I realize that things are worse thanI thought.

It actually makes me sick to my stomach to see what is happening.

I mean seizing someones house over two $20 pot deals, are you kidding me.

I grew up in the sixties and this was the kind of thing that I saw on TV shows (like MI or I Spy) happening in some despotic country in South America or eastern Europe and we were the good guys trying to make things right.

 

[BUTCH1]

Some how I don't think anyone cares what an armchair pundit in his parent's basement thinks about anything going on in the world.

LOL, yea, he's a REALLY important person that has government secrets that would cause him to "disappear" if he spilled his guts, the KGP probably has a satellite parked in Geo-synchronous orbit right above his house too!!.

 

[child of wonder]

Police are the #1 gang and criminal organization in the country.

We need far, far less cops and the ones we keep need to be thoroughly vetted to ensure they're not part of the "good ole boys" club. Any breach of trust by a LEO automatically carries double the maximum penalty for a normal citizen. We cannot tolerate the abuse of power by those who are supposed to protect us.

 

[lxskllr]

I grew up in the sixties and this was the kind of thing that I saw on TV shows (like MI or I Spy) happening in some despotic country in South America or eastern Europe and we were the good guys trying to make things right.

We also ridiculed those filthy commies for spying on their subjects, and locking their people away for extended time on dubious merit...

 

[Brainonska511]

As a wise man once said it's not the instantaneous revolution we need to worry about, it's the slow but predictable erosion of our rights, bit by bit...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2NyRlC_gzk

It doesn't help that when any politician might stand up to the insanity, they get painted as 'soft on crime'.