"cash for clunkers" ending on monday

[Budmantom]

Originally posted by: ZeGermans

Originally posted by: Budmantom
It's a high risk program because the government has proven time and time again that they can't run anything.

FDIC
national park service
medicare
postal service
FDA

these are all things the government runs and all things that are done very efficiently.

Medicare is going bankrupt and the postal service loses money as fast as it's printed and would be out of business if it weren't run by our endless tax dollars.

IRS, FTC, Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac, Amtrak are other well run efficient government run entities.

 

[Budmantom]

Originally posted by: ZeGermans
Companies losing money in this economy? I'm fucking shocked

LOL $7 billion deficit, that is self sufficient only in the mind of a liberal.

 

[ZeGermans]

Originally posted by: Budmantom
Medicare is going bankrupt and the postal service loses money as fast as it's printed and would be out of business if it weren't run by our endless tax dollars.

psst. OUR TAX DOLLARS! don't go to the postal office. It's running in the red now like every other damn company. Medicare would cost less if it didn't have to try to keep up with private price gouging, which is why UHC is so much less expensive per capita in every country than our halfassed system.

The IRS does the best job it can with all the hands it has tied. The FTC works fine when it isn't being declawed during republican administrations. Fannie/Freddie serve a good purpose. Amtrak is horribly underfunded.

Next?

 

[Patranus]

Nice to see that Obama has bankrupted some auto dealers with 'cash for clunkers'.

The government told them 10 days to wait for payment and many of them have been waiting for 20+ days. Some are owed more than a million dollars.

It is pretty hard to do business with that kind of capital tied up.

 

[Budmantom]

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: Budmantom
Now with Obama and his programs, we don't have any unemployment, zero foreclosures, economy is booming, what would we do without government.

I'm not sure why you even post in P&N.

To make you look like a clown.

No one really gives a shit what you say.

If that's the case why do you, harvey, ZeGermans etc keep responding?

You're nothing more than a Republican shill.

What exactly are you?

You're the equivalent of Fox News but without the audience.

I seem to have quite the following here as I just stated.

You are the epitome of exactly what's wrong with the entire voting public.

No, I didn't vote for hope and change.

All eyes focused on the opposing party, while your own is raping your asshole.
And you seem delighted about it.

You seem to have experience in this field.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: ZeGermans

Originally posted by: Budmantom
Medicare is going bankrupt and the postal service loses money as fast as it's printed and would be out of business if it weren't run by our endless tax dollars.

psst. OUR TAX DOLLARS! don't go to the postal office. It's running in the red now like every other damn company. Medicare would cost less if it didn't have to try to keep up with private price gouging, which is why UHC is so much less expensive per capita in every country than our halfassed system.

The IRS does the best job it can with all the hands it has tied. The FTC works fine when it isn't being declawed during republican administrations. Fannie/Freddie serve a good purpose. Amtrak is horribly underfunded.

Next?

Yet again, why every single liberal should be required to take basic economics before they can vote.

 

[ZeGermans]

Heh Don't you see LIEberals it's just common sense how to make the economy work! *has republican policies make the economy blow up*

 

[sciwizam]

Originally posted by: ZeGermans
Companies losing money in this economy? I'm fucking shocked

Except USPS doesn't have a stellar record of operating in profit, from 1991-2008, it posted losses 10 out of 18 years.

2008-2004
2003-2001
2001-1997
1996-1991

 

[ZeGermans]

It isn't supposed to post a profit its supposed to generally break even.

 

[ZeGermans]

also I notice that they make money in booms and lose money in recessions, surely this is unique to horrible government run communism

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: ZeGermans
also I notice that they make money in booms and lose money in recessions, surely this is unique to horrible government run communism

Give it up. Obama looked like a fool to make that comparison, he's a fucking idiot.

There is nothing gubment does efficiently. There is zero reason or motivation for them to do so.

 

[CallMeJoe]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: ZeGermans
also I notice that they make money in booms and lose money in recessions, surely this is unique to horrible government run communism

Give it up. Obama looked like a fool to make that comparison, he's a fucking idiot.
There is nothing gubment does efficiently.

You're the one looking foolish, since you refuse to see the obvious (willful blindness?); the President was making the point that Federal competition hadn't run UPS or FedEx out of business despite the supposed advantage the government-assisted program would have.

As for the alleged bad performance of the USPS, how well do you think UPS and FedEx would do with a mandate to serve literally every address in the country six days a week? Considering the first-class mail volume lost to the internet and the package volume lost to the package services, the Postal Service does remarkably well.

 

[Budmantom]

Originally posted by: CallMeJoe

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: ZeGermans
also I notice that they make money in booms and lose money in recessions, surely this is unique to horrible government run communism

Give it up. Obama looked like a fool to make that comparison, he's a fucking idiot.
There is nothing gubment does efficiently.

You're the one looking foolish, since you refuse to see the obvious (willful blindness?); the President was making the point that Federal competition hadn't run UPS or FedEx out of business despite the supposed advantage the government-assisted program would have.

As for the alleged bad performance of the USPS, how well do you think UPS and FedEx would do with a mandate to serve literally every address in the country six days a week? Considering the first-class mail volume lost to the internet and the package volume lost to the package services, the Postal Service does remarkably well.

I for one encourage our dictator to keep talking off prompter, he has a way with the English language.

 

[ZeGermans]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: ZeGermans
also I notice that they make money in booms and lose money in recessions, surely this is unique to horrible government run communism

Give it up. Obama looked like a fool to make that comparison, he's a fucking idiot.

There is nothing gubment does efficiently. There is zero reason or motivation for them to do so.

hahaha this is like that Barney Frank town hall
*makes stupid claim*
*explains with facts why this claim is false*
*boo's senator because they don't like being wrong*

also I know conservatives have a tough time understanding this but some people who run companies such as government entities don't think all there is to life is money and laughing at those less fortunate.

Originally posted by: Budmantom
I for one encourage our dictator to keep talking off prompter, he has a way with the English language.

I love the "haha teleprompter" talking point; every politician uses one in major speeches. The difference between Obama and Palin/Bush is that he can read his.

 

[Budmantom]

Originally posted by: ZeGermans

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: ZeGermans
also I notice that they make money in booms and lose money in recessions, surely this is unique to horrible government run communism

Give it up. Obama looked like a fool to make that comparison, he's a fucking idiot.

There is nothing gubment does efficiently. There is zero reason or motivation for them to do so.

hahaha this is like that Barney Frank town hall
*makes stupid claim*
*explains with facts why this claim is false*
*boo's senator because they don't like being wrong*

Originally posted by: Budmantom
I for one encourage our dictator to keep talking off prompter, he has a way with the English language.

I love the "haha teleprompter" talking point; every politician uses one in major speeches. The difference between Obama and Palin/Bush is that he can read his.

Soooo.... you must be Barney Frank.

 

[ZeGermans]

well this is indeed like arguing with a dining room table.

 

[1prophet]

Originally posted by: ZeGermans
yes. The USPS is self-sufficient and not subsidized at all, while keeping costs in the shipping industry fairly low and yet UPS and FedEx mysteriously still exist. Hrm where else could we apply a self-sufficient government option as a hard method of keeping prices competitive?

Fedex and UPS are not allowed by law to compete directly against the post office for direct mail services. They can only offer their certain overnight, and long haul delivery. If they were to compete directly with the USPS there is not doubt they would destroy the government option if not severely damage it.

Post office is not allowed to make a profit and has some of the most draconian rules for employees like being reprimanded or fired if you slip and fall while doing your job.
(No wonder some employees go Postal)

It's also not allowed to cut major expenses like closing post offices deemed not profitable without congressional approval even though they are billions in debt.

So I wouldn't use the post office as an example of government efficiency rather a government monopoly that pretends to be private even though it requires laws to give it monopoly powers in mail deliveries.

 

[First]

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: Budmantom
Now with Obama and his programs, we don't have any unemployment, zero foreclosures, economy is booming, what would we do without government.

I'm not sure why you even post in P&N. No one really gives a shit what you say. You're nothing more than a Republican shill. You're the equivalent of Fox News but without the audience. You are the epitome of exactly what's wrong with the entire voting public. All eyes focused on the opposing party, while your own is raping your asshole. And you seem delighted about it.

Except he's no different than a shill like you that votes for Paul/et al Libertarian. They're all politicians after all.

 

[CallMeJoe]

Originally posted by: Budmantom

Originally posted by: CallMeJoe

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: ZeGermans
also I notice that they make money in booms and lose money in recessions, surely this is unique to horrible government run communism

Give it up. Obama looked like a fool to make that comparison, he's a fucking idiot.
There is nothing gubment does efficiently.

You're the one looking foolish, since you refuse to see the obvious (willful blindness?); the President was making the point that Federal competition hadn't run UPS or FedEx out of business despite the supposed advantage the government-assisted program would have.
As for the alleged bad performance of the USPS, how well do you think UPS and FedEx would do with a mandate to serve literally every address in the country six days a week? Considering the first-class mail volume lost to the internet and the package volume lost to the package services, the Postal Service does remarkably well.

I for one encourage our dictator to keep talking off prompter, he has a way with the English language.

Yes, it certainly is a shame our current President can't match the famous eleoquence of his immediate predecessor...

 

[Engineer]

Listening to the Republican Congresswoman from Tenessee this morning, I've determined that they (politicians) are all for the "same" thing but want to use different wording. She said that C4C was a failure and could have been improved greatly. Instead of "spending" nearly 3 billion dollars, we should have give "tax credits" and "incentives" to accomplish the goals of the program. Now color me blind, but isn't it the same thing (as far as the money goes)? Really?

I guess you could say that the C4C was up front money and the tax credit would be at the start of next year (during filing season). I contend that a tax break would not have done nearly as much as it wasn't up front money.

*shrugs*. It's all in the wording, I guess. They're all for the same thing in reality.

 

[StageLeft]

USPS is subsidized by the government, if not in money then in privileges. It has a legal monopoly and is in no way a meaningful example in the argument of public competing properly with private.

In truth, neither are state parks. They have the luxury of existing on publicly owned land. It's not like, even if a private entity could run the same park better, it could ever buy it anyway to try.

 

[CallMeJoe]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
USPS is subsidized by the government, if not in money then in privileges. It has a legal monopoly and is in no way a meaningful example in the argument of public competing properly with private.
In truth, neither are state parks. They have the luxury of existing on publicly owned land. It's not like, even if a private entity could run the same park better, it could ever buy it anyway to try.

USPS has a monopoly on first-class mail delivery, but also as part of the deal has a mandate to serve every mail address in the country six days a week; if you think UPS and FedEx should be allowed to enter that market, how well do you think they would do working under the same mandate?

On package delivery, the USPS has no monopoly, yet still gets a significant fraction of the business. This competition from the USPS hasn't hurt the package delivery specialists too much, though.