Case recommendation for non-reference GTX 980 SLI setup?

David-Duc

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I'm considering replacing my current case, a Corsair 200R, with something better to improve the temperature on the video cards since they run pretty toasty. The 980s are MSI gaming model so they're not blowing hot air outside of the case. 86 deg. C at full load with side panel on and 73 deg. C with side panel off and a box fan blowing into them makes me think I'm in need of a better case lol.

System:
- 4770k with Corsair H80, Asus Z87-A ATX mobo
- 2 * MSI GTX 980 Gaming - dual axial fans that exhaust hot air inside
- 2 HDD and 1 SSD.
- NO optical drive.

Right now I have 03 cases to consider (budget is ~$150, can go up to $200 if the case is exceptional), prefer simple and no frills looking case, I'm not a fan of leds and acrylic windows:
-SilverStone FT05 - would this work with vid cards that don't have centrifugal fans that blow hot air outside?
-Fractal Design Define R5
-Corsair Obsidian 750D

Any inputs will be greatly appreciated :D
 
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BonzaiDuck

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I'm considering replacing my current case, a Corsair 200R, with something better to improve the temperature on the video cards since they run pretty toasty. The 980s are MSI gaming model so they're not blowing hot air outside of the case. 86 deg. C at full load with side panel on and 73 deg. C with side panel off and a box fan blowing into them makes me think I'm in need of a better case lol.

System:
- 4770k with Corsair H80, Asus Z87-A ATX mobo
- 2 * MSI GTX 980 Gaming - dual axial fans that exhaust hot air inside
- 2 HDD and 1 SSD.
- NO optical drive.

Right now I have 03 cases to consider (budget is ~$150, can go up to $200 if the case is exceptional), prefer simple and no frills looking case, I'm not a fan of leds and acrylic windows:
-SilverStone FT05 - would this work with vid cards that don't have centrifugal fans that blow hot air outside?
-Fractal Design Define R5
-Corsair Obsidian 750D

Any inputs will be greatly appreciated :D

I happen to be working on a similar problem or issue, but not because it's really a "problem" or "issue." I have two GTX 970s of the same design.

Unlike you, I use a single-tower heatpipe cooler for the CPU. But with an H80, there COULD be less of a difference -- or more of one.

Where did you mount the H80 radiator?

Did you add one or two side-panel fans to the 200R? What do you do with any remaining vents in the case?

Right away, I'd only suggest you take a look at this project and another Corsair case:

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2408847&highlight=c70+4790k

This isn't necessarily a solution to your problem, but it might give you some ideas.

My own situation is a bit different. For two workstations and one server under my desk, I chose to "invest" in three HAF 922 cases, which permit installation of a 200mm fan blowing on the graphics cards. Some don't like the appearance of the HAF 922; some don't like the larger fans.

But my case is pressurized with the RATED spec of two 200mm intake fans of a cumulative 288 CFM when those fans are running full-bore. (Most of the time, they don't, but they're thermally controlled from the motherboard). There is only one significant exhaust port, excluding any leakage or the PSU vents: at the case rear. The rear exhaust is ducted to the rear of my heatpipe-tower cooler.

My 970's under a mild overclock don't exceed 75C under FurMark stress-testing, and they don't clear 60C with gaming. I still want to give them better cooling, because I want to overclock them some more.

Unless you buy (preferably full-cover) waterblocks for the twin 980s and water-cool them, you may be doing the tedious things which I contemplate for my own system. I'm looking at possible addition of a 92x15mm OP-1 (Zalman) fan installed in a duct-cover for the graphics cards which channels air from the fans sequentially and ports it to the front intake of my CPU cooler. Drawing air over the components or surfaces to be cooled through a narrow aperture increases the velocity of the air and is more effective in removing heat. There is another consideration to avoid letting the exhaust mix with other case interior air. If, as in my case (pun), you're going to exhaust all this air through one rear fan and therefore mix it with the CPU intake and exhaust, you can then expect temperatures on the CPU to increase a little as you attempt to lower the temperature of the graphics cards.

The other possibility is to find a second and separate exhaust to remove gfx-card heat without -- again -- mixing with the rest of the case interior.

Without watercooling, the solution can only be better airflow to and from the gfx cards, and likely building ducts or duct-plates which can somehow port the warmer air immediately to case exhaust.

SOMETHING I FORGOT TO ASK: Have you installed AfterBurner for the MSI Gaming cards? You can change the fan curve for both cards, and possibly-- with your MSI 980's -- AB permits tuning the fans separately. If you have not investigated the fans' thermal configuration thus far, I would look into it first.

And I'd also say, if you're worried about noise from those MSI Gaming cards, put your worries aside and attend to tuning the fans for better cooling first. I can run my 970 fans at nearly 100% duty cycle for temperatures above (say) 65C, and they STILL don't comprise much of a noise problem.

I"d offer more in the way of opinion about the cases you mentioned -- the Silverstone, the R5 and 750D -- but I'd suggest you see what you can do with the 200R before spending more money. Especially, if you're really itching to buy a new case, I'd review my cooling strategy first and then integrate it with the case choice.
 
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BonzaiDuck

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David_Duc, What about the Corsair 540 High air Flow case?

If he's dead-set on getting a new case, that 540 would be the remedy for just about everybody doing everything: water-cooling, air-cooling, the whole enchilada. Of course, until I start buying radiators, my HAFs are close enough to providing the airflow opportunities possessed by the Corsair, or so I think . . ;)

Nevertheless, the problem with these dual-fan graphics cards can be solved IF! IF! you can find some way to exhaust the air pouring over the gfx heatpipe fins without letting it mix.

I've also discovered that you can change the fan curves on 2x SLI (GTX 970) cards so that they run @ 30% below 50C and suddenly go all the way to 100% before reaching 60C. It makes about 1C difference in my top (and hotter) card's Furmark load temperatures.

I'm suspecting that the heatpipe assemblies on these dual-fan NVidia cards only have so much untapped potential, and the stock fans already tap it out to the limit. I suppose I'd have to see what happens when adding an extra fan in the mix -- at least for the upper card.

And . . . how to do that? I've got some ideas. I just don't want to make vast preparations to find that it doesn't much matter.
 
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David-Duc

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@BonzaiDuck: I did change the fan curve for both of them, set to run at 100% at 80 deg. C. And even at 2400 rpm, which is 100%, the top card still reaches 86 deg. C. That's with 02 x Thermalright TY-14013 mounted on the side panel as intake fans running at 1000 rpm. The H80 is exhausting hot air out the back of the case. I'll have to admit that I'm itching to get a new case simply because the 200R is not very easy to work with and the side panel is putting strain on the power cables to the 980s since the MSI 980's PCB is wider than reference board.

Dust filter is also a plus since I have been cleaning my PC once a month and I'm getting sick of that o_O, hoping that I'll only have to clean the filter once a week and clean the PC once every 3-6 months if possible. :biggrin:

@guskline: I'm not really interested in the Air 540 since it's too wide for my taste and there is a lot of wasted space on the other side of the mobo. Also prefer the look of the R5, FT05 or even FT02... want something that looks simple and works effectively without using tons of high speed fans and make my PC sound like a jet engine. The 750D probably should not even be on my list since it looks like a dust magnet IMO...
 
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David-Duc

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Worst case scenario, I'll just get 02 x eVGA 980 hybrid cooler and slap them on, mount the radiator on top of the case with slim 120mm fans. How does that sound to you guys? However, that's going to make the set up cost as much as 02 x reference 980 Ti... And I'm already thinking about selling those 980 for the 980 Tis lol.
 

OlyAR15

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Well, what exactly is your goal? Are you overclocking and running into thermal limits? Are you having instability/glitches? Are you just worried about the number?

If you are actually having issues, then a side fan may help, as may a motherboard that spaces the two pcie slots further apart. If you can find waterblocks that fit the card (is the card itself a reference design?), then watercooling will also help.

If you are only worried about the number, the solution is even easier: stop looking at it.
 

BonzaiDuck

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Silent PC did a 970sli build using silverStone FT05 case http://www.silentpcreview.com/Quiet_SLI_Gaming_PC_Build_Guide

Actually, the Fortress FT05 looks promising. I can see a lot of cooling potential for either air or water . . . But even if the graphics cards are now hanging vertically off the motherboard, it needs some sort of exhaust for them . . . . No, now that I look again, the top of the case has plenty of potential for that, and the airflow from below complements it.
 

David-Duc

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If you are only worried about the number, the solution is even easier: stop looking at it.

Well, this is exactly my problem :biggrin:. I would be able to stop looking at it if it sit around 80... 85-86 is too high for my liking.

Anyway, I picked up the Define R5 at microcenter and put one Air Penetrator 140mm fan on the side panel. Solve my problem: the top card now hovers around 76-78 deg. C. Both cards have sustained boost clock of 1450. I'm happy now. Would love to give the FT05 a try but it's not available locally and I can't wait for the shipping so... :D

FYI, my fan config on the R5:
- Intake: 02 x 140mm stock fan behind front grille, 01 x 140mm Silverstone AP141 on side panel.
- Exhaust: 01 x 120mm rear mounted for H80, 01 x 140mm generic fan on top. The top fan really does its job since the exhaust temperature is ~48 deg. C
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Kadarin

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Well, this is exactly my problem :biggrin:. I would be able to stop looking at it if it sit around 80... 85-86 is too high for my liking.

Anyway, I picked up the Define R5 at microcenter and put one Air Penetrator 140mm fan on the side panel. Solve my problem: the top card now hovers around 76-78 deg. C. Both cards have sustained boost clock of 1450. I'm happy now. Would love to give the FT05 a try but it's not available locally and I can't wait for the shipping so... :D

FYI, my fan config on the R5:
- Intake: 02 x 140mm stock fan behind front grille, 01 x 140mm Silverstone AP141 on side panel.
- Exhaust: 01 x 120mm rear mounted for H80, 01 x 140mm generic fan on top. The top fan really does its job since the exhaust temperature is ~48 deg. C
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What are your cpu temps with that cooler?