carrying a knife in nyc... legality and etc?

[Mizugori]

Ok so I always thought it was illegal to carry a knife, concealed or otherwise, in NYC. But I was on packing.org, and I saw this. Does this mean that as long as the BLADE portion of the knife is less than 4 inches, and you keep the knife concealed, it's ok??

Knife carry law summary

Date updated: Aug 25, 2005 @ 8:41 pm

New York City Law
Chap. 1 Public Safety 10-133

Historical Note

Formerly 436-5.1

10-133 Possession of knives or instruments.

A. Legislative findings. It is hereby declared and found that possession in public places, streets and parks of the city, of large knives is a menace to the public health, peace, safety and welfare of the people of the city; that the possession in public places, streets and parks of such knives has resulted in the commission of many homicides, robberies, maimings and assaults of and upon the people of the city; that this condition encourages and fosters the commission of crimes and contributes to juvenile delinquency, youth crime and gangsterism; that unless the possession or carrying in public places, streets and parks of the city of such knives without a lawful purpose is prohibited, there is danger of an increase in crimes of violence and other conditions detrimental to public peace, safety and welfare. It is further declared and found that the wearing or carrying of knives in open view in public places while such knives are not being used for a lawful purpose is unnecessary and threatening to the public and should be prohibited.

B. It shall be unlawful for any person to carry on his or her person or have in such person's possession, in any public place, street or park any knife which has a blade length of four inches or more.

C. It shall be unlawful for any person in a public place, street or park to wear outside of his or her clothing or carry in open view any knife with an exposed or unexposed blade unless such person is actually using suck knife for a lawful purpose as set forth in subdivision d of this section.

D. The provisions of subdivisions b and c of this sections shall not apply to
(1) persons in the military service on the state of New York when duly authorized to carry or display knives pursuant to regulations issued by the chief of stall to the governor;
(2) police officers and peace officers as defined in the criminal procedure law;
(3) participants in special events when authorized by the police commissioner
(4) persons on the military or other service of the United States, in pursuit of official duty authorized by federal law; or
(5) any person displaying or in possession of a knife otherwise in violation of this section when such a knife (a) is being used for or transported immediately to or from a place where it is used for hunting, fishing, camping, hiking, picnicking or any employment, trade or occupation customarily requiring the use of such knife; or
(b) is displayed or carried by a member of a theatrical group, drill team, military or para military unit or veterans organization, to from or during a meeting, parade or other performance or practice for such event, which customarily requires the carrying of suck knife or
(c) is being transported directly to or from a place of purchase in such a manner as not to allow easy access to such knife while it is transported; or
(d) is displayed or carried by a duly enrolled member of the Boy or Girl scouts of America or similar organization or society and such display or possession is necessary to participate in the activities of such organization or society.

E. Violation of this section shall be an offense punishable by a fine of not more than three hundred dollars or by imprisonment not exceeding fifteen days or by both such fine

 

[fisheerman]

Originally posted by: Mizugori
Ok so I always thought it was illegal to carry a knife, concealed or otherwise, in NYC. But I was on packing.org, and I saw this. Does this mean that as long as the BLADE portion of the knife is less than 4 inches, and you keep the knife concealed, it's ok??

Knife carry law summary

Date updated: Aug 25, 2005 @ 8:41 pm

New York City Law
Chap. 1 Public Safety 10-133

Historical Note

Formerly 436-5.1

10-133 Possession of knives or instruments.

A. Legislative findings. It is hereby declared and found that possession in public places, streets and parks of the city, of large knives is a menace to the public health, peace, safety and welfare of the people of the city; that the possession in public places, streets and parks of such knives has resulted in the commission of many homicides, robberies, maimings and assaults of and upon the people of the city; that this condition encourages and fosters the commission of crimes and contributes to juvenile delinquency, youth crime and gangsterism; that unless the possession or carrying in public places, streets and parks of the city of such knives without a lawful purpose is prohibited, there is danger of an increase in crimes of violence and other conditions detrimental to public peace, safety and welfare. It is further declared and found that the wearing or carrying of knives in open view in public places while such knives are not being used for a lawful purpose is unnecessary and threatening to the public and should be prohibited.

B. It shall be unlawful for any person to carry on his or her person or have in such person's possession, in any public place, street or park any knife which has a blade length of four inches or more.

C. It shall be unlawful for any person in a public place, street or park to wear outside of his or her clothing or carry in open view any knife with an exposed or unexposed blade unless such person is actually using suck knife for a lawful purpose as set forth in subdivision d of this section.

D. The provisions of subdivisions b and c of this sections shall not apply to
(1) persons in the military service on the state of New York when duly authorized to carry or display knives pursuant to regulations issued by the chief of stall to the governor;
(2) police officers and peace officers as defined in the criminal procedure law;
(3) participants in special events when authorized by the police commissioner
(4) persons on the military or other service of the United States, in pursuit of official duty authorized by federal law; or
(5) any person displaying or in possession of a knife otherwise in violation of this section when such a knife (a) is being used for or transported immediately to or from a place where it is used for hunting, fishing, camping, hiking, picnicking or any employment, trade or occupation customarily requiring the use of such knife; or
(b) is displayed or carried by a member of a theatrical group, drill team, military or para military unit or veterans organization, to from or during a meeting, parade or other performance or practice for such event, which customarily requires the carrying of suck knife or
(c) is being transported directly to or from a place of purchase in such a manner as not to allow easy access to such knife while it is transported; or
(d) is displayed or carried by a duly enrolled member of the Boy or Girl scouts of America or similar organization or society and such display or possession is necessary to participate in the activities of such organization or society.

E. Violation of this section shall be an offense punishable by a fine of not more than three hundred dollars or by imprisonment not exceeding fifteen days or by both such fine

dude if you are in New York city you have absolutely no rights to defend yourself with a weapon.

Just run.......it isn't worth the life sentence you will get for carrying a butterknife.

new york = nanny state

-fish

 

[everman]

Packing.org is a good place to start, but you can't rely on that solely for legal guidance.

 

[JDMnAR1]

Originally posted by: Mizugori
Does this mean that as long as the BLADE portion of the knife is less than 4 inches, and you keep the knife concealed, it's ok??

Based on the information you quoted, then yes, your statement above is correct. However, as everman pointed out, you don't want to rely on packing.org as the ultimate resource as to what is legal and what isn't. While it is an excellent resource, you can see that the information you quoted has not been updated since 2005. Most states I have been interested in have their current laws online.

 

[Kreon]

I love the clause that makes it legal for Boy Scouts and Girl Scouts to carry a knife
That's awesome

Makes sense though- how many Boy/Girl Scouts are going to mug someone?

 

[Mizugori]

yeah but google is not helping me find 'official' sites with the info, just more websites like packing.org

what would be the official place to verify this information?

 

[JDMnAR1]

Originally posted by: Mizugori
yeah but google is not helping me find 'official' sites with the info, just more websites like packing.org

what would be the official place to verify this information?

Oh I dunno, some silly little part of me says to try http://www.nyc.gov/portal/site/nycgov/.

 

[Mizugori]

alright smartass, do show me where on that website does it list knife carry laws

 

[JDMnAR1]

Originally posted by: Mizugori
alright smartass, do show me where on that website does it list knife carry laws

Man, you can't take a little good natured poke and you want to be carrying a concealed weapon? Since you asked so nicely...

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I am thinking you probably shouldn't be carrying a knife, much less a gun, if this is how much effort you put into educating yourself. :roll:

 

[hiromizu]

The answer is no, it is not legal to carry any knives or guns in the city of New York.

 

[iroast]

Why carry a knife? Carry a pimp cane. You can use it to defend yourself and still get the girls

 

[Hacp]

Originally posted by: hiromizu
The answer is no, it is not legal to carry any knives or guns in the city of New York.

I'm pretty sure that you can carry a concealed weapon in NYC. Not 100% sure though.

 

[hiromizu]

Originally posted by: Hacp

Originally posted by: hiromizu
The answer is no, it is not legal to carry any knives or guns in the city of New York.

I'm pretty sure that you can carry a concealed weapon in NYC. Not 100% sure though.

They disallow air guns and hell even airsoft spring pistols. What makes you think they'll let you carry a concealed weapon? Unless you're an undercover police officer or someone in law enforcement, there is no legal way to carry a weapon. I've certainly never heard of such laws in the 20+ years I've lived in Manhattan. The closest I've heard is having a licensed but unloaded and locked rifle or shotgun secured in your home.

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: Hacp

Originally posted by: hiromizu
The answer is no, it is not legal to carry any knives or guns in the city of New York.

I'm pretty sure that you can carry a concealed weapon in NYC. Not 100% sure though.

You can't carry inside NYC city limits unless you the Commissioner of Police grants you a special permit. From what I've heard you have to be somewhat well connected to get one.

 

[Mizugori]

Originally posted by: hiromizu

Originally posted by: Hacp

Originally posted by: hiromizu
The answer is no, it is not legal to carry any knives or guns in the city of New York.

I'm pretty sure that you can carry a concealed weapon in NYC. Not 100% sure though.

They disallow air guns and hell even airsoft spring pistols. What makes you think they'll let you carry a concealed weapon? Unless you're an undercover police officer or someone in law enforcement, there is no legal way to carry a weapon. I've certainly never heard of such laws in the 20+ years I've lived in Manhattan. The closest I've heard is having a licensed but unloaded and locked rifle or shotgun secured in your home.

Did you look at the images that guy posted when I asked where it talked about knife laws? According to that, which is right on the nyc.gov page, less than 4 inches is legal as long as it's concealed from sight. I dunno about anyone else but to me that's surprising; even a 3 inch knife makes quite a cut.

Might want to check your sources before you just say that you have lived here for 20 years and you think that makes you an expert.

 

[hiromizu]

Originally posted by: Mizugori

Originally posted by: hiromizu

Originally posted by: Hacp

Originally posted by: hiromizu
The answer is no, it is not legal to carry any knives or guns in the city of New York.

I'm pretty sure that you can carry a concealed weapon in NYC. Not 100% sure though.

They disallow air guns and hell even airsoft spring pistols. What makes you think they'll let you carry a concealed weapon? Unless you're an undercover police officer or someone in law enforcement, there is no legal way to carry a weapon. I've certainly never heard of such laws in the 20+ years I've lived in Manhattan. The closest I've heard is having a licensed but unloaded and locked rifle or shotgun secured in your home.

Did you look at the images that guy posted when I asked where it talked about knife laws? According to that, which is right on the nyc.gov page, less than 4 inches is legal as long as it's concealed from sight. I dunno about anyone else but to me that's surprising; even a 3 inch knife makes quite a cut.

Might want to check your sources before you just say that you have lived here for 20 years and you think that makes you an expert.

I said I haven't heard of such laws. I don't know what to tell you other than to go ahead and carry one. Why don't you just call the city instead of asking a bunch of wired suburban kids on an online forum who are fanatical about defending the rights to carry concealed weapons? You could've gotten your correct answer 3 hours ago.

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: hiromizu

Originally posted by: Hacp

Originally posted by: hiromizu
The answer is no, it is not legal to carry any knives or guns in the city of New York.

I'm pretty sure that you can carry a concealed weapon in NYC. Not 100% sure though.

They disallow air guns and hell even airsoft spring pistols. What makes you think they'll let you carry a concealed weapon? Unless you're an undercover police officer or someone in law enforcement, there is no legal way to carry a weapon. I've certainly never heard of such laws in the 20+ years I've lived in Manhattan. The closest I've heard is having a licensed but unloaded and locked rifle or shotgun secured in your home.

The city of New York issues their own concealed handgun licenses. They are pretty tough to come by. I've only seen one before in my life, belonged to a diamond transporter. New York state CHLs are not valid in NYC.

So yes, there is a legal way to carry a concealed handgun, and your ideas of gun laws are a result of being brainwashed by the anti-gun NYC government. You can obtain a pistol permit that allows you keep a loaded handgun in your home for self defense relatively easily. Same goes for rifles.

New York City residents are some of the worst and believing that a bunch of laws will keep them safe, and that no one but the police have guns in their little paradise.